Talk:Murder of Davontae Williams

Page move
I wrote this entry on Lisa Ann Coleman, and when I named the page I was thinking of another article I wrote on a subject who was executed (David Martin Long, a man who is known more for events that occurred after he was on death row). I am starting to rethink the page name in light of WP:CRIME and the fact that the subject is only widely known in the context of Davontae Williams' death. I know that this will require some reworking of the structure of the article, so I am delaying the GA nomination for now.

Should I move this to Death of Davontae Williams or Murder of Davontae Williams? I like "death" because it sounds a bit less sensational, but I know that it is a common convention to specify murder in the page title if there was a criminal conviction. Larry Hockett (Talk) 14:19, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I think "murder" as it is more specific. Chidgk1 (talk) 20:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

So US juries can decide the penalty?!
As a Brit I was surprised to read here that the jury decided the punishment. If the USA is unusual in this respect it might be worth expanding on a little.Chidgk1 (talk) 20:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, usually a U.S. jury makes this determination, but in some jurisdictions it is just a recommendation that can be overridden by the judge. See the Tommy Zeigler case out of Florida, where the jury recommended life imprisonment but the judge handed down a death sentence (which itself has been delayed by appeals for more than 40 years). You have a good point; I took it for granted that the reader would be familiar with the process of the jury deciding the sentence. Larry Hockett (Talk) 21:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Picture of the victim?
Is there one which is not too gruesome? Maybe when he was alive? Chidgk1 (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have seen a few living photos of him. I've been meaning to add one with a fair use rationale. I wasn't necessarily going to do that when Lisa Ann Coleman was the subject of the article and her photo was in the infobox, but now he is more the focus of the entry. Larry Hockett (Talk) 21:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Mobile home?
I just realised that my edit about "family" and "home" might be wrong if they were living in a mobile home. If so maybe link if there is an article on tbe lifestyle. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The edit wasn't wrong because of the type of home. The bigger issue is that moved home just isn't a meaningful phrase in American English. We would just say "the family moved". Larry Hockett (Talk) 15:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)