Talk:Murder of Hatun Sürücü

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Revert of article name vs. consensus policy
User: Kevin McE reverted User:Plot Spoiler changes of the name this article to "honor killing." Rather than try to find a WP:consensus through WP:Bold Revert Discuss, User:Plat Spoiler just reverted them back. Plot spoiler also did this at four other articles. Elsewhere User:Plot Spoiler's excuse has been "no one had edited the articles in a while." We all can find semi-abandoned articles and make controversial changes to their names. But once someone objects and reverts, we have to discuss. That's what WP:Consensus is all about. I think it is a violation of WP:Consensus for Plot Spoiler not to revert these until consensus to change them is reached.

This discussion has been going on at Talk:Honor_killing_of_Sadia_Sheikh but since all six articles are different, it is not clear that all would have the same resultant name change. CarolMooreDC 17:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No, he didn't. As I've already explained to you at the dispute resolution noticeboard and Talk:Honor killing of Sadia Sheikh, Plot Spoiler changed from one title to another; Kevin McE changed to a third. Hatun Sürücü was changed to Honor killing of Hatun Sürücü. Kevin McE did not revert him; he moved the article to Killing of Hatun Sürücü: an entirely new title. All of this is in the history. It's important not to accuse people of violating policies when they have not. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * In that case, User:Plot Spoiler still should have reverted to the original name since User:Kevin McE had a problem with his change to "honor killing." This is a good example of why when people start changing titles, it should revert to the original while discussions are going on. Especially when they do five or six at a time. The onus remains on User:Plot Spoiler to do the right thing. CarolMooreDC 04:29, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Turkish-Kurdish girl
Hatun was both Turkish and Kurdish, since she was of Turkish nationality and she came from a Sunni Kurdish family from Erzurum in Eastern Turkey. Obviously, when one source only mentions her nationality, that doesn't change the fact that she is also from a Kurdish Sunni family.

Some sources among many: http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/weltgeschehen/article13504056/So-brachte-Ayhan-Sueruecue-seine-Schwester-Hatun-um.html http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/geschwistermord-die-verlorene-ehre-der-familie-sueruecue-a-777021.html http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berlin/familie-von-hatun-sueruecue-kein-wort-der-reue-3026382 http://www.ehrenmord.de/doku/einsbissechs/2005_Hatun_Sueruecue.php http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article137217722/Gedenken-an-Hatun-Sueruecue-Frauen-leiden-noch-immer.html http://www.domradio.de/themen/islam-und-kirche/2016-02-07/berlin-gedenkt-hatun-sueruecue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.62.193.57 (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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