Talk:Murder of Jim Pouillon

Move to Harlan James Drake
I believe this page should be moved to a biographical page on Harlan James Drake that describes his background and lead up to the shootings. Example: Carl Drega 71.225.223.11 (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * How about moving it to a page on James Pouillon, instead? I suspect that we'll find Harlan James Drake to be a zero, whose 15 minutes of fame came with the killings of Pouillon and Fuoss, making for an extremely short Wikipedia article. &mdash;QuicksilverT @ 15:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Concur that this belongs as a subsection in a biography of Pouillon, should such ever be written. --72.193.216.131 (talk) 15:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Idiocy. ASS-in-nation, is more like it. We can do without him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.191.156 (talk) 16:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

"Assassination" is a little too heavy a term. This topic should be added to Mr. Pouillon's page as "Death."
Mr. Pouillon was not a famous public figure. He was murdered.173.22.0.30 (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)C. Prutzman


 * I agree the name might be too heavy-handed. Possibly we can discuss a name-change in time.--T. Anthony (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Go for it. I created the article title based on the Assassination of George Tiller article but I expected people would tweak it. It's a hard page to title. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Someone said: The discussion was entirely about whether it made sense to have a category for people who were murdered for reasons unrelated to their activism, as distinct from people who were killed because of their activism and thus are categorized as "assassinated activists" - so I understand that, being killed for being an activists means he belongs to Category:Assassinated activists. —  Ark25  (talk) 23:43, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Change of title
Assassination is defined as the deliberate killing of a high-profile figure, such as a politician. Mr. Pouillin was not such a figure. Based on that, and comments in the deletion discussion (closed as no consensus with regards to deleting the entire article, but with no disagreements regarding changing the title), I'm changing the title from Assassination of Jim Pouillon to Murder of Jim Pouillon. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 12:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * But we don't yet know whether or not it was murder! See below. SingingZombie (talk) 16:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

"Anti-Abortion" is not a recognized movement
"Anti-abortion" is not a recognized activist movement. The two sides of the debate are termed "pro-choice" and "pro-life". I have changed this to the appropriate term and linked it to the correct wikipedia page. T 21:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

"Murder"?
We don't yet know whether it was murder. We cannot know until the trial is over. Maybe the shooter was insane, and, maybe this killing was justifiable homicide! Pouillon was, after all, a right-to-lifer, and a good argument can be made that at this time in USA, killing right-to-lifers is justifiable homicide, not murder. There is a terrorist war going on, but so far, only one side has been fighting it as a war. A response in kind may be unwise for the pro-choice movement, but it's not obvious whether or not it qualifies as "murder". SingingZombie (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Note re: Center for Reproductive Rights
At the time I made the edit, I saw that the organization was in brackets and didn't realize it was a red link. However, it seems reasonably notable, having won a number of high-profile SCOTUS cases about reproductive rights. Article should be created (I may get on that at some point) rather than removing the statement. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 20:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Misleading
This statement in the intro is misleading. "It was evidently the first time an activist had ever been murdered while protesting abortion." It implies that there are no other reported cases of extreme violence against pro-lifers and that is absolutely false. there is ample evidence that pro-lifers are attacked on a regular basis.BenW (talk) 23:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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