Talk:Murder of Lynette White

Lead too long
The introduction has more than four paragraphs; it should be shortened. --George Ho (talk) 17:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Rubbish. "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies." This is a complex case covering some 30 years, and is summarised in 5 paragraphs. Keri (talk) 17:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What about WP:LEAD? --George Ho (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What about it? As quoted above, it says: "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview...etc" Regarding length, it says: "As a general guideline—but not absolute rule—the lead should usually be no longer than four paragraphs" (my emphasis). So this is 5 paras instead of 4; negligible. Keri (talk) 23:36, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, the lead is neither too long nor too short: "A lead that is too short leaves the reader unsatisfied; a lead that is too long is intimidating, difficult to read, and may cause the reader to lose interest halfway." --George Ho (talk) 03:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have moved one paragraph to the Appeal section in an attempt to placate you and end this discussion. Keri (talk) 12:16, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Normally, the lead should be no more than four. After Talk:Napoleon, I wonder if an extra lead paragraph is needed again. The murder is more simple, while the investigations went screwy and wrong, making the topic more complex than it should be. The overview is good; maybe you were right. I could have bared five paragraphs, but I liked the current version more. Maybe add back a journalist's re-opening the case in a few or several sentences in one of four paragraphs or as an extra paragraph? --George Ho (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

and, the lede remains much too long and needs to be pared down into even more of a summary form. There is simply too much detail. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:53, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Then why is intro with five paragraphs okay for Napoleon and current intro of this article considered too many details, Winkelvi? --George Ho (talk) 02:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You're comparing a huge, legendary world-history subject such as Napoleon to a 1990 murder no one outside of Great Britain ever heard of? Really? -- WV ● ✉ ✓  02:06, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If you've never "heard of" it, your opinion is moot. Keri (talk) 11:14, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Compare with Death of Ian Tomlinson: a FA about a far less complex news event, spanning a significantly shorter period of time. Keri (talk) 11:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

How does that edit look? More concise while still conveying the salient points? Keri (talk) 13:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Now I'm confident that four paragraphs is enough (id est five is too much) for the article... for now. Napoleon is a French historic figure. I thought that biography had no exceptions, but consensus disagrees. This murder case is more... way more recent than Napoleon. And the intro concisely discusses important points without too many details. I will discuss further at another page soon. George Ho (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Merging separate 2000s into one and then separate 2010s into one
The article looks clutter with separate years. Why not 2000s and 2010s? Or how about year-less sections? --George Ho (talk) 01:36, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's fine as it is. Keri (talk) 01:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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BBC article claiming new developments
My browser can't handle all the bells and whistles of this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Lynette_White_Cardiff_Murder. Hopefully someone who can use it will see this. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)