Talk:Murder of Matt Ratana

Seems like a current event
You sure about removing that tag, seems like a current event to me!! I wouldn't be surprised if the editing picked up on it. Btw, wasn't sure what project template to put on this. Govvy (talk) 14:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That template is used where "many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) edit an article on the same day," We aren't anywhere near that level of activity. WWGB (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Iwi
Anyone have any idea what iwi (tribe) Ratana was affiliated to? It's socially and culturally an important thing to note on articles related to people of Maori descent. Grutness... wha?   13:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Might be hard to establish that with encyclopedic references. 07:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.190.105.19 (talk)

"Murder of Matiu Ratana" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Murder of Matiu Ratana. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 28 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- DeFacto (talk). 06:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Using both Matiu and Matt
My edit adding "Matt" was just reverted, with the reason giving that nicknames would not be reported (although that's not a rule per WP:NICKNAME). Given that I get more than twice as many Google results for "Matt", rather than "Matui", and many news outlets only reporting using "Matt" (see for example, , or ), I think it should be included. Even the CPS uses Matt, rather than Matiu (see ). — Arcaist (contr —talk)  12:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Also pinging User:WWGB since they reverted my edit. — Arcaist (contr —talk)  12:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:LEADCLUTTER, "f a hypocorism (diminutive) that is common in English is often used for the subject in lieu of a given name, it is not inserted into the name or given after it.". If you want to move the article to Killing of Matt Ratana, go ahead. Otherwise, his hypocorism is not reported in the lead. WWGB (talk) 12:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Move to murder of Matt Ratana
I propose moving this to murder of Matt Ratana now there has been a murder conviction. This is Paul (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree. WWGB (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Length of police service
There seems to be some contradiction over the length of Ratana's police service. The page currently states that, "He moved to England in 1989, working for the Metropolitan Police for nearly 30 years," but also that he, "also served with New Zealand Police joining the British High Commission Wing in 2003 and serving in the Auckland City and Counties Manukau police districts before returning to the UK in 2008." 2003 to 2008 is obviously five years, but if he joined the Met in 1989 and was murdered in 2020, that's 31 years. Do we have any sources which clarify exactly what happened (I would presume initial Met service, return to NZ, then back to the UK/Met)? Nick Cooper (talk) Nick Cooper (talk) 15:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)