Talk:Murders of Lee Rotatori and Thomas Freeman

Two people, two crimes, two articles needed
This article is about the two separate murders of two people at two different times and locations and by different methods. Also the article that gives undue weight to the murder of Lee Rotatori but says very little about Thomas Freeman. This article's title is a coatrack for two different articles about two different murders but this is misleading because it only covers one of them. While it might be necessary to discuss one murder in the context of the other, because they are connected, that does not mean both people should be mentioned in the title. Articles about murders generally contemplate only a single person is killed. Starting an article title with "Murders of" is also misleading, because it suggests the murders occurred together in a single criminal act. This is not the case here. The solution to this is to move this article to a suitable title about the "Murder of Lee Rotatori" and start a new article about the "Murder of Thomas Freeman". - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * These two murders are very connected, but not enough information is known about Freeman’s murder for a new article about that. TheXuitts (talk) 18:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Good point. This further suggests the title should be changed. Because "not enough information is known about Freeman’s murder" there probably shouldn't be an article with a title that even mentions Freeman's murder; his murder does not really have the depth of coverage for a separate notable article, as this article demonstrates. While the connections are there, this article is primarily about a single notable crime, which is an event, so should follow the naming conventions for that type of article, at least to be consistent with the naming other similar "Murder of ..." articles. While I am suggesting a title change, the content of the article need not change.
 * Freeman, himself is not just notable for a single event, he is notable for two murders, both Rotatori's and his own, so, in a weird way, he probably has a claim to fame for a biography under the Wikipedia guidelines.
 * There is also another notable person in this article, Gerald "Jerry" Stanley Nemke, a convicted violent criminal, Rotatori's husband and Freeman's suspected murderer; he is notable for at least three events, which means a biography can be written about him, too, and, since he is the alleged murderer of Freeman, Freeman's [suspected] murder can be included in an article about Nemke more easily than an article about Rotatori's murder, as Freeman's "murder" is more closely connected to Nemke's behaviour than to Rotatori's death.
 * Because this article is mostly about a single event, the title of the article should be about the notable murder, which is Rotatori's. Since Freeman's murder, on its own, does not appear to be notable, so should not be mentioned in the title. In the absence of biographical articles about either Freeman or Nemke, biographies about both people can be included in this article, perhaps under headings like "Suspects", or "Perpetrator" and "Husband". A way to improve this article is to write potted biographies of both Nemke and Freeman, to demonstrate if they need their own articles. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)