Talk:Musa Aman

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Documents from the MACC were presented on the Sarawak Report frontpage on April 2012 and this news was immediately carried on to other online news websites including Malaysiakini. In the recent development, Minister of the Prime Minister Department, Datuk Nazri stated that the money was meant for political contribution for UMNO Sabah. But later he stated that Michael Chia was never arrested but actually it was the money in the Hong Kong account that was frozen and later cleared for bank transter to Switzerland after the Hong Kong authorities satisfied that the money was meant for political contribution only, not for money laundering. The Malaysian government has not come clean with the source of the fund, and neither did Nazri explain what is the relation of Sabah UMNO with the Swiss bank account. Most importantly, such statements given by the Malaysian government has not been cross-examined in court. Therefore, as more stories and confusion unveiled, please keep updating this section instead of deleting it! Cerevisae (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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the case already settled by MACC and ICAC. so why must you keep bring it up when the anti-graft body found that there is no element of corruption involved Musa Aman in that case? if Musa Aman is guilty, then why no action taken against Musa Aman by this both anti-graft bodies? if you believe that the allegation is true, then why don't you cooperate with ICAC or MACC? do you have any new and credible evidences to associate Musa Aman with this corruption/money laundering other than the document revealed by Sarawak Report?

How was it possible that confidential information and documents can leak from the MACC office, Are some MACC officers on the take by selling information? I am not sure about MACC but I don't think the highly respected ICAC also would release such information to Sarawak Report for public consumption when no charges are forthcoming against the named person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombiruo KB (talk • contribs) 14:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your time in participating the discussion here. I really appreciate your effort. Yes, MACC has already cleared Musa Aman from corruption but ICAC is acting under the limitation of Malaysian government since this a corruption case involving Malaysian politician, not Hong Kong. As explained by Sarawak Report earlier, ICAC has to drop the case and cleared the money for transfer after 3 years because the Malaysian government refused to cooperate in investigating this case. But Nazri claimed that ICAC has cleared Musa Aman after MACC provided information to ICAC. These two conflicting statements from both sides of the divide is further complicated when ICAC refused to comment on their own investigation in this case. If ICAC really found no corruption element in Musa Aman, they should have proudly declare it to the public and confirm the Nazri statement. But ICAC choose to keep mum on this issue instead. If ICAC themselves declared that Musa Aman is free from corruption, and there is no Ongoing court case against Musa Aman on this issue, then I shall delete this section from Wikipedia, as requested by you.

Before this, Sarawak Report has revealed documents and information that led to the shutting down of the FBC Media, one of the largest broadcasting cooperation in UK. The information released by Sarawak Report has led to investigations by Germany, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and Canada into Taib property empire. If the information released by Sarawak Report is not reliable, then these governments should treat these documents as crap or a joke. That's why I still believe in Sarawak Report credibility in this case.

In regard to your question on how this information can be leaked from MACC and ICAC to Sarawak Report, I can show you an example with this infamous Pentagon Papers leaking case. Daniel Ellsberg, who served in US military, believed that the US government has done an injustice during the Vietnam War. He decided to take up the courage and released the top-secret US military operation papers to the public inside the New York Times publication. He don't sell these papers but he released it under the sense of righteousness. Another recent example is the private Bradley Manning who also served in US military, was alleged to provide the United States diplomatic cables leak and July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike video to Wikileaks which was eventually released into the public. I hope that these two cases will give you an insight on how such confidential information can be released into the public in order to correct injustice that has been done by the governments, if the insiders has some conscience on the value of truth. Cerevisae (talk) 16:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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