Talk:Music of Final Fantasy XII

Uematsu
Although one section claims that this game "marks the departure of veteran composer Nobuo Uematsu from Square Enix", technically, FFXI did, as Naoshi Mizuta composed all the music except the FFXI Opening Theme for that game. Was that line chosen because FFXI was an online game or simply an overlooked fact? EvilReborn 20:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think most people neglect to consider XI as part of the main series because of its MMORPG nature, and all the resultant distinctions between it and other Final Fantasies. Of course, this is still wrong, and should be fixed — but if you are just looking for a reason, I think that would be it. Θεοδωρος יִרְמְיָהוּ Nizarck 11:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Uematsu wrote about 30% or so of the initial FFXI score. Xenofan 29A 20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Tactics
The song played in Rabanastre is a song that was originally used in Final Fantasy Tactics. (It's one of the many similarities XII shares with the original Tactics.)


 * Not true. I own both soundtracks, and no tracks in FFT were reused in FFXII.  They're (largely) written by the same person, so that accounts for any perceived similarities.Xenofan 29A 20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe s/he in fact means Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced rather than plain old Tactics. Though they're not identical, the track "The Royal City of Rabanastre / Town Ward Upper Stratum" is very, very similar to a track from Tactics Advanced (which, annoyingly, I cannot remember the name of). The "Clan Headquarters" track is also very similar to one of the Tactics Advanced tracks (presumably the Clan Headquarters track, but I have no way of being sure at this point in time). Lichtonatus 20:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Soundtrack Release in North America?
Does anyone happen to know if and when the OST will be released in North America or elsewhere? Thanks. Katsarephat 17:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. A shortened OST will be released in NA (see http://music.ign.com/objects/859/859825.html). Elsewhere? I don't know. I was originally going to add info to this page about that but forgot about it. Anyways, I think it's already released, but I could be wrong...Google it! EvilReborn 20:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's already out, but I overlooked that fact when on the website. October 31 was the release date. EvilReborn 20:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Tracklistings
I've noticed there are no tracklistings anywhere. Can someone add tracklistings in both English and Japanese if you have the chance? Thanks. Sjones23 21:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll do it. On a side note, the North American OST release should be mentioned. &mdash; Blue. 17:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Reviews and Criticism
Someone who wants to cite for this section could look at RPGFan's soundtracks reviews. There are two there, with contrasting views on the score. I won't, because I wrote one of them, and I don't want people to call me on citing myself. Xenofan 29A 20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The current "Reception" section is pitiful. Only one side of the argument is presented, and it's done poorly, with atrocious grammar. The opening sentence makes no sense whatsoever, and the rest isn't much better. The two reviews are also poorly informed; one of them asserts that a particular track has no discernable melody, and then proceeds to complement another track on the basis of an arrangement of the same motif. 153.42.207.9 (talk) 02:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should try fixing it. Whining about it won't make things happen. The statement is being as neutral as possible; incorporating positive and negative reactions alike. &mdash; Blue. 04:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

召喚 = Esper?
召喚 can be translated as summon / call, 召喚獣 adds beast / monster at the end (which would be an Esper in FFXII speak). So why is 召喚 being translated as Esper as the second track of the fourth disc of the soundtrack? --Remy Suen (talk) 13:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes it more in context with the subject of the topic, IMHO, as the summon is not called a Summon like other FFs, they call it Esper. &mdash; Blue. 14:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, they're called Espers in FFVI and FFXII, "Guardian Force" in FFVIII, and Aeons in FFX. I do see your point though. --Remy Suen (talk) 19:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

GA on hold
There's relatively little stopping me from passing this right away, the article's neutral and the Fair Use Rationales for the images are fine, text seems fine in terms of MOS compliance. Here's what did stop me:
 * "The soundtrack received lukewarm reviews from critics, who felt it was a good soundtrack but was lacking in substance." This is the only nod to reception in the lead, the last sentence. Could you split this off and make a second paragraph summarizing reception for each CD?
 * Could reception be expanded a little? I get the distinct impression that there's more material to be mined from these sources, particularly for the soundtrack. For instance, Adam Corn talks of "Town and environment themes are a staple element of any RPG score and are F12OST's strongest area.", the single sentence about his review doesn't touch on that. Another couple of sentences would do it, if you're struggling to find relevant material. That said, if you do find more, please use it. Doing so will make it easier to build a reception section in the lead.
 * "found it to be an excellent album fatally marred by a large number of "filler" tracks." The album itself can't be 'excellent' if it's described as 'fatally marred'. Individual tracks or elements of the album certainly can be excellent, but 'fatal' or 'terminal' means that the album as a whole has been badly undermined by specific elements.
 * Anybody review The Best of Final Fantasy XII?

That's really all I can find, predictably there's no problem with neutrality, it's as broad in scope as the other 'music' articles. It's good to see the soundtrack review sites being put to work, as well as the interviews, the citations are all well-formatted.

Any questions, or if the work's completed, please drop me a line. Someoneanother 14:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, reception expanded, lead expanded in accordance. Unfortunately, no, no one has reviewed Best of FF12, as 1. the only way to get it is through the Japanese localization of iTunes, and 2. Most places don't review promo disks, even ones that have slightly different versions of 2 songs. --PresN (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's great, tweaked very slightly to remove a couple of 'on the other hand's and reworded the end of the lead, hope that was OK. No reviews for that mini-collection is no problem, figured it's worth asking the question and then moving on accordingly. This is now a Good Article, thank you for your ongoing efforts and congratulations. Someoneanother 18:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Citation for English track listing
The citation for the English track listing for the Final Fantasy XII Original Soundtrack album states the titles have been taken from the iTunes release of the album, however I have searched the iTunes stores for several territories and can find no such release. I can only find the 'Best of' soundtrack on the Japanese iTunes store and the track listing for that is in Japanese. EvilRedEye (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's odd, it was definitely there when I cited it, otherwise I would have just cited the titles to the album itself. You're right though, it's not there now. --PresN (talk) 22:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Square Enix discontinued it. I don't know why they would do this (it's not like there isn't enough "room" in the store), but I know they discontinue their mobile phone games after a certain period of time. Kariteh (talk) 14:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested Move
See Talk:Music_of_the_Final_Fantasy_series. SDY (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge Kiss Me Good-Bye here
The single is a stub, and it's highly unlikely that it will be expanded any further. I searched on Google, and I couldn't find any reliable sources that discussed it's development, writing etc, and no critical reception. The Prince (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm for it, just about all of the information is here in this article anyway. -- Pres N  18:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm Neutral, since while the song is related to the FFXII, the commercial single itself isn't. yeah I'm just repeating the statement in the single's talk page. &mdash; Blue. 19:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but as you can see, Eyes on Me and Melodies of Life from FFVIII and FFIX respectively were merged into their discography articles, even though the commercial single wasn't related to the game. I think this is the best merge target, and I believe most people associate the single with FFXII rather anything else. The Prince (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree wiht the merging. Kiss Me Good-Bye has been featured on Aki's album HOME too, not just on a single. The song is equally connected to Home, the single, and FFXII. The information can't go on only one of these three different articles so it's best to keep it in a standalone article. Nomchan (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I also disagree with the merging. You have to consider that this actual single is of a version not even included in FFXII - although the English Version is indeed included, it is a bonus track / B-Side. "Melodies of Life" and "Eyes On Me" were single releases where the A-Side versions actually appeared in the game. With this single, however, that is not the case. chrisjankunas (talk) 08,51, 29 January 2009 (GMT)
 * I as one who brought this up on the WT:VG page agree with merging. Even if it was part of another album, that doesn't give it inherant notability. It is also clearly part of FFXII discography. The song alone does not show any signs of notability beyond FFXII and furthermore there is not enough info to get beyond a stub article out there without rehash of what's in the discography article. じん  ない  21:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF - rst20xx (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ultimania development information
The following sources should be translated and used to expand the current incomplete article:


 * FFXII Development Staff Interview – Sound Section (from the FFXII Scenario Ultimania)
 * Hitoshi Sakimoto Interview (from the FFXII Ultimania Omega)

Anyone willing to help translate even one page is welcome! Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated the links. Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Phon Coast
I find that Phon Coast music to be a highlight, it's quite uplifting and invigorating ; I did a search but I can't seem to find information about it, I'd appreciate any hint. --DynV (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There generally isn't any information on specific tracks available, especially when there's so many- no one ever asks the composer about anything but the vocal themes. It's disc 3, track 19 of the original soundtrack album. -- Pres N  20:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Individual descriptions of Sakimoto's favorite tracks for FFXII exist in the Ultimania Omega: . Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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