Talk:Music of Latin America/Archive 1

"Latin music" as a term?
This might be "Latin music" only to a hispanic living in the US. Might "Hispanic music" be more accurate?

Hmm. There's a difference between music popular in Central and South America and Central and South American music popular in the United States. I believe the latter is what is meant by Latin music in this article.

I really don't know much about it, but I just dumped a whole bunch of potential links into this article, which was fatally a-historical. I really hope someone will come along who can make this fly. I know the braindump I just did is pretty crude and full of non sequiturs, but I couldn't leave it that it all I run out after Astor Piazzolla and Hector Villa-Lobos and I only know them because they are popular here.

me to give way too much credit to Selena and Jennifer Lopez, but I am not very knowledgeable about the modern scene of Latin-American music or elsewhere.

Also, I like the Puerto Rican article a lot and can see that it will be cool to have similar sections on every nation and culture, but shouldn't those be in addition to a general survey of the field in this article? In other words, some words about Puerto Rican music in the article on Latin American music with a pointer to the full-blown treatment of Puerto Rican music?

Thirdly, I don't see how you could leave Spanish and Portuguese music out of such a survey.

Ortolan88Jun02

My dictionaries say "hispanic" has two meanings (and no, I'm not quoting copyrighted text here verbatim):

1. Of or related to Spain.

2. Of or related to people of Latin American descent living in the U.S.

As far as I can tell, this article addresses the rhythms created throughout the Americas south of the U.S. (I hope it does, anyway), so I don't think "hispanic" is the word we're looking for.

I've been a professional musician in the U.S. and Canada for nearly 30 years. When not referring to a specific rhythm (samba, rumba, etc.), the musicians I've known have always used the generic term "Latin" to refer collectively to the rhythms of Latin America. (The usual procedure: Someone says, "Let's play a Latin tune"; then a tune, key, and tempo are picked, and the drummer is trusted to play an appropriate rhythm.)

AnyAvailableName 03Mar08

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introduction
This sentence makes no sense to me whatsoever: "Latin America can be divided into several French-speaking islands in the Caribbean Sea, including Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Martinique and Guadeloupe, though the Francophone islands are mistakenly not usually large and incredible diversity as well as its unique history as a Portuguese colony." I would clean it up, but I really cannot make out the intended meaning. To my knowlege, French is not spoken in Puerto Rico or Cuba. Haiti and the Dominican Republic are not islands, but countries on the same island, Hispañola. As for the second half of the sentence, it loses me completely. It may refer to Brazil ("unique history as a Portuguese colony"). I will strike the sentence completely, unless someone knows what the intended meaning was, and can clear it up. Hraesvelgr (talk) 18:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Suspicious Dominican text removed
I'm a great believer in the role of original research in Wikipedia, but the following removed from the Dominican section was just a little too original and a little not enough research (emphasis added): It quickly became popular in The Dominican Republic because all they had for music was barking dogs and chirping birds. The new sound of Hesparo led to a rebirth of Dominican culture and many albums were put out by famous artists from The Dominican Republic including: Milli Vanilli and The Zombie Nations.

Open Directory Project Links
The DMOZ search template, and by implication all DMOZ search links, is being considered for deletion because it violates WP:ELNO #9. Anyone interested in discussing the fate of Open Directory Project (DMOZ) search links is invited to join the discussion at Templates for deletion. Qazin (talk) 05:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This page is not watched, and is constantly modified by original research
Can an administrator adept in musicology please watch this page? The past day or two has seen a ton of original research. Sometimes, no one pays attention when it is written coherently, even though it can be totally false.--99.132.143.69 (talk) 02:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What about URUGUAY?!
?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.164.80 (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Latin america,is a clouster of music used sometimes for tribal beats in south america. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.216.23 (talk) 14:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Guatemala???
Why is Guatemala the only country left out? This needs to be fixed. Bolivia13 (talk) 14:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 16:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Latin American music → Latin music – As discussed in the respective talk pages and the subsequent creation of the Latin music WikiProject, i'm confident that using "Latin American" instead of "Latin" is ambiguous and incorrect, as the scope of the term is broader than the Latin American countries. I would have moved the page by myself but i consider this move sort of controversial. — Hahc 21  02:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment "Latin music" can mean "music in the Latin language", "music of the Latins", "music of the latins", "Roman Empire music", if you treat "Latin" as an adjective. Remember, there is a thing called Latin Europe, as well. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 02:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Along the lines of the IP response, Latin is vague, depending on definition and context can include French, and any "roman" language. --Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎  18:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't doubt "Latin music" is unambiguous within communities such as musicologists or Latin Americans themselves, and thus the WikiProject name is perfectly cromulent, but as IP76 has pointed out, there are other topics that "Latin music" could be conflated with. Keep it unambiguous for the general reader. --BDD (talk) 06:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose The wikiproject can be named that way because there are no wikiprojects on the other possible meanings. Cambalachero (talk) 13:18, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose There's a difference between a Latin music as a popular genre and then there's Latin American music as a regional genre. This article covers Latin American music as a regional scope. Erick (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Definition of Latin America music vs Latin music
I boldly overhauled the lead and parts of the article because the definition of Latin American music was sourced and mostly unclear. I took the liberty of looking of searching on Google Books for the definition learned that the linguistic is a major factor of defining the genre. The sources I included mentions Spanish and Portuguese being the primary languages being spoken and one reference that states sometimes French is included. As a result, the English-language countries Belize and Guyana were removed to match the criteria on the lead which is sourced. I also removed Guyana as it is a Dutch-language country. Since the source mentions that French is sometimes is part of it, I kept Haiti in hopes not to create controversy. That said, one reference I added states that "Latin music" is used by the music industry to mean any Spanish or Portuguese-speaking genres even those from Spain and Portugal which got me thinking, is there a difference between Latin American music and Latin music as far as genres go?

The definition of Latin music seems to be rather ambiguous because there are sources that include Spain and Portugal as part of the meaning even though both countries are obviously not part of Latin America. Then you have some artists even from Italy that are considered to be Latin artists because of singers like Laura Pausini. And that's not all, because you have the Latin Grammys which only deals with Spanish and Portuguese-speaking recordings, even those from Spain and Portugal. Then there's Julio Iglesias who hold the Guinness World Record for being the best-selling Latin artist of all-time and he's from Spain, which isn't from Latin America of course. Which brings up my question, does Latin music solely refer to music of Latin America or does it include non-Latin American countries as well? I am not suggesting a move, because I didn't support the last one. I just need to know if readers won't confuse when the article or if necessary, an create for Latin music as a popular genre. Erick (talk) 23:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Latin American music styles as subcategory of American (US) music styles = or ≠ OK
Hello! For a discussion by wikipedians on how to use the word "america" see here and here. I do ask this because there is this category: Category:American_styles_of_music, which does list the category of Latin American music styles as a subgenre, which i think is a mistake. Do you think it is okay, to remove the category Category:Latin_American_styles_of_music from this category Category:American_styles_of_music? Thanks very much. -- 068129201223129O9598127 (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Broaden template
Hello Jerome, I removed the template that you listed on since it article is supposed to cover a general overview of Latin American music. Though I admit it needs more history than what's listed on the lead. Any suggestions on to improve the article? Erick (talk) 15:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, this article is exclusively about popular music. There is a "see also" link to Opera in Latin-America, but nothing at all about the many significant art-music traditions. In fact, not even the names of Alberto Ginastera, Heitor Villa-Lobos, Alejandro García-Caturla, Carlos Chávez, or Silvestre Revueltas occur, let alone more recent composers such as Mario Lavista or Julio Estrada. Neither is it evident where or how such a discussion could be inserted in the article as presently structured.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point. In my defense, much of what I wrote in the lead was based on George Torres's book Encyclopedia of Latin American Popular Music which is sourced in the article. It didn't really touch on opera/classical music from what I've read. Erick (talk) 12:35, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, then, the question really is: should this article be re-titled to reflect its content more accurately, or broadened to fulfill the title's potential? The New Grove article "Latin America" offers a partial model for the latter option, with sections on indigenous music, Iberian and mestizo folk music, Afro-American music, and Urban popular music (some of these are subdivided by nationality). However, it does not include the art-music traditions, in sharp contrast to the New Grove articles on individual countries, which all begin with a section on this topic.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the New Groove model sounds like a good idea. Erick (talk) 13:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)