Talk:Music of Palestine/Archive 1

Militants, Islam and Palestinian music
I believe that many Palestinian terror groups, including Hamas and world Jihad are playing major role in present day Palestinian music. What is so unique about the Palestinian music and poetry is it all about fighting the occupation, killing the Jews/infidels/ Americans/ non Muslims, self scrifice/suicidal bombers and etc. So, it would realy not be exaggerated to conclude it's not an ethnical music with deep roots, the roots started with the estblishment of Israel of a little before and it's all about glorifing the Islam and calling for war. There is virtually no poettry that deal with regular life in Palestine.


 * What you believe is wrong. It is true that many popular songs written in Palestine today have to do with the struggle for independence, and some of them do indeed speak in favor of fighting, killing, suicide bombing, and the like.  But many songs - written in the occupied territories, in Israel by Palestinian Israelis, and in the Palestinian diaspora - have to do with other issues of life, love, loneliness, progress, humor - the entire range of topics that you find in the musics of other cultures as well.


 * What is more important, Palestinian music is differentiated musically from the musical traditions of the surrounding Arab cultures. An extensive study by Dahlia Cohen of the Maqams in use by Palestinians shows distinctive Palestinian musical modes, that have their roots, apparently, in musical traditions dating back at least a hundred years.  And modern Palestinian music, especially the music of Palestinian Israelis, includes influences of Western musical traditions, including jazz, popular, hiphop, rap, and classical, in ways that are unique in Arabic musical culture, and, indeed, in the world.


 * Unfortunately, the article does not reflect much of this. This article has been on my todo list for more than a year now, but, alas, I haven't gotten around to it.  Hopefully, in the next few months. Ravpapa (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The differences between Palestinian music and other forms of Arabic music (Lebanese, Syrian and alike) are not surprising at all. Palestinians came to Israel from all over the world, the British mandate archives are full with documentats of general census outcomes and other studies of  the mandate that point on multiorigins for the present days Palestinians. Thus, during the 1920s Palestinians (this word wasn't coined yet) had many different native tongues and they were not of the same ethnicity, just of the same religion by most and their majority were Arabs. So, unlike Syrians or Eygptians whose Arabic/Islamic music and culture were influenced by relatively limitd numerated sources, Palestinians were potentialy more influenced  by different external musical cultures. Mizrahi and Separdhic Jews bring with them musical influences from all over Arabic and Islamic countries and this probably help to shape the present Palestinian music. Even today, when long lasting war between Israel and the Palestinians continue Mizrahi Jewish musicians are still preforming in fron of Palestinian audience. As I wrote, the Palestinian music is very young. 100 years of music mean that it started at the beginning of the 20CE. In historical terms, yesterday.

This is interesting surmise on your part, but it is not supported by the ethnomusical research of Cohen and others. Cohen did not find that the original use of Maqams by the Palestinian population was the result of immigration of other Arabic-speaking peoples to Palestine, but rather it appeared to be an indigenous outgrowth of the settled population of Palestine. Something that developed over the course of many years, of repeated songs past from generation to generation, like the development of any ethnic folkmusic.

You are correct that there was considerable migration of peoples in and out of Palestine, as there was indeed considerable migration throughout the Middle East. But your suggestion that "Palestinians were potentialy {sic} more influenced by different external musical cultures" does not seem to be supported by ethnomusicological research of the subject. Unless you are aware of studies that I don't know? Is that the case? Do you have sources for what you say? Ravpapa (talk) 08:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

American Music
"Some Palestinians have even broken into the Western hip hop world, like DJ Khaled. Khaled, born of Palestinian immigrants, is a DJ, radio personality, hip hop producer, and record label executive. In 2009, Khaled became the president of record label Def Jam South. He has worked with many artists, including, Usher, Lil' Wayne, Drake, T-Pain, Akon, Fat Joe, Rick Ross and more."

DJ Khaled is an American - born in America. Therefor he is not pertinent to a discussion regarding the music of a foreign people in a foreign land. To my knowledge Def Jam records is not a Palestinian company and Usher, Lil' Wayne, Drake, T-Pain, Akon, Fat Joe, Rick Ros are also not Palestinian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.250.96.217 (talk) 21:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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