Talk:Music of Somalia/Archive 1

Heelo
The Somali Music (Heelo)

The Somali are nature deeply religious, and the birth and acceptance of the modern 'HEELO' had to overcome antagonisms and resistant of tradition and religion leaders in its infancy the HEELO was considered to be some things completely against Somali and Islamic Culture. The musicians were gather in a house in the evening to compose and play and sing while some women dancing around without permission from their family.

Therefore thy said, (Hadii aan sacabka xeeli ku jirin 	maxaa habeenki loo tumaa ) This is mean. "If there is no hidden purpose in the dance why is it done under cover of darkness?" At that time the musician were using the name BELWO to describe the newly born from the song began with word “Belwooy Belwooy”in the first few bars of the song. Before those traditional song and dances were always performed by young people in the open air in full sight of their elder's, anything else was looked upon with deep suspicion.

The word BELWO meaning –calamity or misfortune- in Arabic- The name BELWO which had negative connotation in Somali language was adding the an acceptability of the BELWO movement in respectable society. So that they change the name to HEELO at the begging of the first few bars of the song, not with (Belwooy Belwooy ) which they were begin their song before, with the acceptability, traditional invitation to dance.

I have to describe that time generally as meaningless, weak and inferior. They were reviled and ridiculed by elder people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.174.6 (talk • contribs) 12:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Explain?
Othering the minorities is an old political tool to marginalize or even exclude them. @26oo and @Middayexpress, please explain the dichotomy you've created between "Traditional Somali music" and "Other traditions"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guuleeds (talk • contribs) 06:37, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Father of Somali music
There are many sources that claim Abdi Sinimo to be the 'Father of Somali Music', such as []. Any unwarranted removal constitutes edit warring. MustafaO (talk) 14:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No there are not. You only have a single source and that single source actually does not even use "father of Somali music" as you are alluding, instead it uses "father of the modern Somali song". The vast majority of sources state that Abdullahi Qarshe is "father of Somali music":, , , , , , , , ,  ...etc etc. Other than that lone source, your other source, which is a primary source interview, clearly states that the Somali people (as well as others) consider Qarshe to be father of Somali music. Now unless you are disputing that the majority of academic published sources are stating Qarshe was the father fo Somali music (which you do not seem to be), I suggest you perform a self-revert. --Kzl55 (talk) 14:12, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

You are citing a difference in wording. That can easily be edited and modified. There was no instance once in which I or any other editor removed the citation that Qarshe was the 'Father of Somali Music'. But you keep on removing citations that show anyone else who had the same or a similar title. I will revise the pages now with the help of administrators. You are politely requested not to vandalise further. MustafaO (talk) 23:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Why do you still insist on inclusion of this statement despite accepting that your source did not actually match what you attempted to insert? The statement is still WP:UNDUE. You tried to claim Sinimo is "father of Somali music", and went edit warring over that statement, despite having a single citation that did not even match your statement. That was disruptive editing. Qarshe is accepted by all reputable sources to be "father of Somali music", it would be undue according to Wikipedia guidelines to present Sinimo in similar light, given what reliable sources state. I suggest you continue discussing on the talk page and cease edit warring. --Kzl55 (talk) 10:13, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

You are continuously disrupting this page by removing a quote which was referenced from an accepted published and accredited work. Even after an alignment in wording which is identical to the published source you continue to relentlessly remove work. This is unwarranted vandalism. If you continue, you will be reported. MustafaO (talk) 11:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have already explained this to you, please read WP:UNDUE. What you are doing is against Wikipedia guidelines. The vast majority of published reputable sources describe Qarshe as "father of Somali music", attempting to attribute the title to another artist based on a single source that does not even match your wording is clearly undue, and borderline original research. -Kzl55 (talk) 11:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

You are continuously disrupting the page by removing a published work which has been referenced. You have violated Wikipedia guidelines by removing a statement by a reputable published work. The title: 'Father of Somali Music' was removed already and aligned with the actual referenced quote so there is no justification for you to remove it and it amounts to vandalism on your part. MustafaO (talk) 11:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC))
 * You are evading the central point of contention, your inclusion of Sinimo, using a single source, is WP:UNDUE given the fact that the vast majority of published reputable sources give the title to Qarshe. Changing a few words makes little difference, its still undue. Such inclusion still violates Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines, unless you can present multiple high quality sources like Qarshe's statement does. Its that simple. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

It isn't undue because there is no contradiction. Abdi Sinimo was the 'Father of the Modern Somali Song' because he created the lyrical style of what became an established musical genre, whereas Qarshe became known as the 'Father of Somali Music', by his own admission by including lyrics and singing with the flute. So there is no contradiction and is in no way WP:UNDUE — Preceding unsigned comment added by MustafaO (talk • contribs) 12:31, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is you only have a single source giving that title to Sinimo. It is why your inclusion is WP:UNDUE. This has nothing to do with what you or I think. We need to observe what the vast majority of reputable sources state on a given subject. Making minor wording changes does not change the fact that inclusion of a statement like this, based on a single source is undue. On Wikipedia, exceptional statements require multiple high-quality sources per WP:REDFLAG. You do not have that. In this case, we have two artists with similar titles in the same article, one has upwards of 10 academic sources whilst the other has one, attempting to give Sinimo similar prominence and wording/title to Qarshe, based on a single source, is very much undue, that much is clear. Now you are not disputing that the vast majority of sources describe Qarshe as "father of Somali music", you've given up on attempting to give Sinimo this title, something you've been edit warring over for the last week or so, its for the same reasons that you need to stop attempting to include the same title with a few words changed, the fundamental issue of it being undue did not change. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

The titles reflect completely different realities. Abdi Sinimo established the lyrical genre hence the title: 'Father of the Modern Somali Song'. This is very different from Qarshe, who is described as the 'Father of Somali Music' due to adding it to flute as was an admission by Qarshe himself. I don't see where there needs to be a removal of a published work as the titles imply two completely different histories in the tradition of Somali Music. The title 'Father of the Modern Somali Song' is sourced by an accredited and reputable source (which you continuously remove). These titles are not exclusive to one. I changed the wording to fit the the actual source so that it would deter your edit warring. But it seems that even then, you did not desist unfortunately. MustafaO (talk) 13:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * At the beginning of this very discussion at the top this page you stated: "There are many sources that claim Abdi Sinimo to be the 'Father of Somali Music'". So far you've abandoned both elements of your argument, instead of "many sources", you presented a single source and instead of "father of Somali music", you are now arguing for "father of modern Somali song". As I stated, the fundamentals did not change; its undue for all the reasons discussed above. --Kzl55 (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I made that argument clearly for two reasons. Firstly, because Qarshe himself acknowledged (see:), that he considered Abdi Sinimo to have been more deserving as he quoted him DIRECTLY when faced with the question regarding if he is the 'Father of Somali Music', the other source I used means there was more than one reference and it was also given numerous times and sourced, so there was reasonable justification for my earlier comments. Secondly, these titles are not exclusive to one over the other because they are subjective. I edited the title to reflect the sourced content and to stop any further edit warring. Yet you dismissed it and removed sourced material which violates Wikipedia rules provided there is no contradiction.

MustafaO (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It does not change the fact that you started the discussion arguing for something completely different, and that you now accept it was wrong (hence the pivot), and yet you were so keen to edit war over it. The fundamentals of the argument, however, did not change even with your new wording now, i.e. its a minority view supported by a single source. You also claimed there were many sources that supported your view, that too was inaccurate, as you are only providing a single source. Which is why I do not understand why you are still edit warring and continuing to make tendentious editing. You are not disputing that Qarshe was known as "father of Somali music" by vast majority of reputable sources, the argument should end there. You have made an exceptional claim, and failed to provide multiple high-quality sources in support of it. --Kzl55 (talk) 14:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Since when did I accept it was wrong? Did you not read my comments? I gave you a justifiable reason as to why I made the earlier argument which was to prove why he should be given the title based on MORE than one source. I then edited the title to reflect the sourced content and to stop any further edit warring and make the distinction which was ultimately done to give you no ground to continue the vandalism on the page. Your only argument now is to make the claim that the 'wordings are still similar' and/or 'the fundamentals of the argument did not change'. It is extremely CLEAR that there is a huge difference between 'Father of Somali Music' and 'Father of the Modern Somali Song'. This discussion is becoming redundant. MustafaO (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course you accept your previous title you attempted to insert was wrong, which is why you pivoted to this different wording. If you thought it was correct you would still be pushing for it. Anyways, you still have no more than a single source supporting your statement (contrary to what you said at the start), there is no changing that fact. Including it is WP:UNDUE still. I agree it is redundant, I suggested stopping a few times to let other editors from the noticeboard have their say, you do not seem to agree. --Kzl55 (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

At this point you are making a baseless suggestion as to the motive of an editor, how and when did I accept it as wrong? I clearly outlined the reasons why I edited the title. For me it makes no difference. Abdi Sinimo can be given the title 'Father of Somali Music' and I justified the earlier argument using this source (see:), clearly Qarshe considered Abdi Sinimo to have been more deserving as he quoted him DIRECTLY when faced with the question regarding if he is the 'Father of Somali Music'. Having said that, I edited the title, not due to deflection or a change in the opinion. But only due to the fact that the by aligning the actual title to the sourced content, it would undermine any further acts of vandalism. MustafaO (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You've accepted it was wrong by virtue of abandoning your original claim. Wikipedia does not really care about your personal reasons (or mine for that matter), it care about what majority of sources present on a given subject. This discussion started based on two claims you've made: 1) Abdi Sinimo is "father of Somali music" and 2) that there are "many sources" supporting this. So far you've abandoned both claims. Choosing to change the title to "father of the modern Somali song", the only problem is this title too has a single source. As such inclusion is undue, this is getting rather repetitive. --Kzl55 (talk) 15:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

That's you giving your own interpretation which is foolish and unwarranted as it is an attempt to derive a motive of an editor who rejects the baseless allegation (it's very petty). It is baseless and goes against Wikipedia regulations. I did not abandon the original claim in any way shape or form. I edited the title to reflect the actual wording of the sourced content to undermine your justification to remove them forcefully. I have no qualms in accepting Abdi Sinimo as 'The Father of Somali Music', there are sources to suggest the validity of making such a case in such a subjective issue. Either way the arguments are very clear. You just wish to prolong an unsubstantiated argument.

There hasn't been any abandonment. You are clearly making a baseless case. Here are the reasons why the argument was made in the first place (this is becoming unnecessarily repetitive, because you do not wish to address the primary issue):

1. Qarshe himself acknowledged (see:), that he considered Abdi Sinimo to have been more deserving as he quoted him DIRECTLY when faced with the question regarding if he is the 'Father of Somali Music'.

2. (see: ), where this source can give a justifiable argument to this case.

These were the main reasons why the argument was made in the first place....

Coming to WHY I changed the edit, IT wasnt due to ABANDONMENT of the claim itself, the history section shows clearly that the reason was to prevent further edit warring (refer to the history sections on Balwo, Abdi Sinimo). It was due to the fact that I edited it in order to align the title closer to the sourced edit to prevent any justification for removal. A justification which you clearly do not have anymore. MustafaO (talk) 16:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


 * You have provided a single source for the statement "father of Somali music", and a single source for the other statement that you've now embraced "father of modern Somali song" . Remember you are arguing that the two statements are different. One source per statements, which pales in comparison to upwards of 10 sources listing Qarshe as "father of Somali music". This is why inclusion is undue. I will ask you a simple question: Do you dispute that the vast majority of published reliable source cite Qarshe as "father of Somali music"? If you do then you will need to provide sources. If you do not, then any inclusion of Sinimo, using these words or any other variation, would be undue per Wikipedia guidelines, unless you can provide an equal number of sources to Qarshe. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, its that simple. --Kzl55 (talk) 16:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

You keep on making the argument that the title 'Father of Modern Somali Song' is a variation of 'Father of Somali Music', when is absolutely incorrect. They are two completely different titles. I've said on more than one occasion that there is NO issue with Qarshe having the title: 'Father of Somali Music', but I contest your argument that 'Father of the Modern Somali Song' is a variation of the same meaning, when it clearly ins't. They are not the same title. So it isn't undue per Wikipedia guidelines. They are not contradicting sources in any way. MustafaO (talk) 16:21, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It is a variation. You were pushing a Sinimo as "father of Somali music" and when you realised that was actually inaccurate, you pivoted to the other title. You've clearly substituted one with the other. The reality is that inclusion of "father of modern Somali song" which is based on a single citation, is still undue, there is no escaping that fact. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, one single source is not enough. And inclusion in the article right next to Qarshe is WP:UNDUE. --Kzl55 (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

According to which language does it make it a variation? The sources itself gives the REASONS for the difference, one source says: 'Thus crowning him as the uncontested father of the modern Somali song by penning the Balwo.' Horn of Africa Journal. 1997. p. 160. There is a correlation between penning and creating the genre and the title 'Father of the Modern Somali Song'. Whereas, Qarshe gives the reason as to why many consider him to be the 'Father of Somali Music' by stating: 'Perhaps, I am the first Somali to set Somali songs to the music of the lute (kaman)' Source: Interview with the late Abdullahi Qarshe (1994). So the inclusion is NOT WP:UNDUE in any way. MustafaO (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Listen, I have tried to explain this in as many ways as possible, you make it very hard to assume good faith. This boils down to sources, you have a single source supporting "father of modern Somali song", until you can find more sources supporting this wording, any inclusion is undue. This is how Wikipedia works. --Kzl55 (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia rules, there is no need for there to be a secondary source if there is NO two clearly contradictory statements that is reflected in the sources. The sources I provided give ground to why the titles are DIFFERENT. Refer once again to: (see: 'Thus crowning him as the uncontested father of the modern Somali song by penning the Balwo.' Horn of Africa Journal. 1997. p. 160) and Source: Interview with the late Abdullahi Qarshe (1994). There is no need for contextualising upon an issue where the soources are in clear alignment to the arguments that hae so far been provided. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any violation of Wikipedia regulations in any of the published sources. MustafaO (talk) 17:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia, exceptional statements such as the ones you are making require exceptional sources per WP:EXCEPTIONAL, you have failed to provide that. You have a single source supporting "father of modern Somali song", as such inclusion is WP:UNDUE. I dont know how many other ways I can explain this simple concept. The primary source you are using is actually in support of Qarshe being "father of Somali music", it clearly states that the Somali people (as well as others) consider Qarshe to be father of Somali music. Clinging on to what Qarshes stated does not actually aid your argument, Qarshe was not the one handing out the title, the source clearly states that majority of the people believed it was Qarshe. --Kzl55 (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

An WP:EXCEPTIONAL source is required when there is a contradiction and a need to justify a minority view. This is NOT the case here. We are dealing with two different, completely independent published works that have no relation to each other, either as evidence based or the titles that have been given. The inclusion of 'Father of Modern Somali Song' isn't WP:UNDUE because it doesn't contradict any other sources especially the ones you keep referring to. The titles are DIFFERENT. I do not understand how you are either UNABLE or UNWILLING to understand this basic difference. MustafaO (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You are incorrect. Per WP:REDFLAG "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Red flags that should prompt extra caution include: - surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources.... Your exceptional claim of Sinimo being "father of modern Somali song" is not covered by multiple mainstream sources, you only have a single source supporting it. The guidelines are very clear on this. And inclusion would also be WP:UNDUE given the dearth of actual sources supporting your claim, in contrast to Qarshe's statement which is supported by the vast majority of published sources. Having that statement sitting within the same article as Qarshe's statement is giving the Sinimo statement, which is backed by a single source, undue weight. It is clear we are not going anywhere, lets wait for other editors to weigh in. --Kzl55 (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

According to your argument: "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Red flags that should prompt extra caution include: - surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources... the Encyclopedia quote you often cited as to Qarshe being a pioneer of the Balwo would literally fall under your own argument here, a huge conflicting claim for yourself. You are extremely selective in your use of sources. A single source is ok when you use it, apparently then. Having said that, the statement is not a surprising claim at all, since there are over 10 different sources stating that Abdi Sinimo penned and pioneered the Balwo, which was the exact reason as to why the source claims: 'Thus crowning him as the uncontested father of the modern Somali song by penning the Balwo.' Horn of Africa Journal. 1997. p. 160. Refer to:. The title is very different to Qarshe's one which is why any removal is unjustified. MustafaO (talk) 17:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Please stay on topic, your last post has nothing to do with the subject at hand, the discussion is already convoluted enough and does not need further diversion. You can discuss it in its own talk page. As stated above, lets wait for other editors to weigh in. --Kzl55 (talk) 17:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

There is no problem in showcasing an example of selective usage of sources especially when you are railing so heavily against 'single sourced statements', there is no problem for me to make a mention of that since you are not against it in principle but only when it goes against something you are not in favour of. Having said that, I do not mind continuing this discussion until we can find a fitting conclusion. However long it takes. My arguments are backed by empirical evidences and sources. MustafaO (talk) 18:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Summary of argument
On Music of Somalia article as well as other articles related to Somali music, editor MustafaO first attempted to include that artist Abdi Sinimo is known as "father of Somali music" (e.g., ). They have provided one single source supporting this statement (the source actually states "father of modern Somali song", not "father of Somali music"). In contrast, the vast majority of published reliable sources state the artist known as "father of Somali music" is Abdullahi Qarshe e.g.,, , , , , , , , (...etc etc). At this stage MustaphaO abandoned their original claim of Abdi Sinimo being "father of Somali music", and instead opted to pivot to use the wording: "father of modern Somali song", seeing as the only source they have provided uses this wording. I have tried to explain that inclusion of Sinimo is undue and that the vast majority of reputable sources give Qarshe the title. I have cited both WP:UNDUE, explaining that inclusion of Sinimo, using a single source, gives undue importance and weight and goes against neutrality guidelines by promotion of minority views. I have also cited WP:EXCEPTIONAL in relation to the fact that exceptional statements require exceptional sourcing numerous times in the discussion(s), and yet the editor continues to edit war against all evidence. They do not seem to even accept their own source that they've cited previously which confirms that "The Somali people and others regard you [as in Abdullahi Qarshe, not Sinimo] as the “Father of Somali Music” . Any opinions would be appreciated. Regards --Kzl55 (talk) 13:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Is that your own made up summary? It's very interesting that you attempt to distort the reality of the discussion to suit your agenda. However, I can easily give my own explanation without having to distort the facts. I will clearly outline my contribution.

The user (Kzl55), attempted many times to remove a sourced content from the articles Balwo, Abdullahi Qarshe and Abdi Sinimo. His main contention was that Abdullahi Qarshe was unanimously agreed upon that he was the 'Father of Somali Music' therefore the title is exclusive to him and nobody else warrants having the same title. After that I posted more than one published work that makes the case that Abdi Sinimo also can hold the same title. The source is here (see: Qarshe himself acknowledged (see:) that he considered Abdi Sinimo to have been more deserving of the title as he quoted Sinimo DIRECTLY when faced with the question regarding if he is the 'Father of Somali Music'. Another source that I used to make the claim was the Horn of Africa, Journal, Vol. 15 (see here: ) which per Wikipedia regulations, can make the exact same case. After constant vandalism and unwarranted removals by the user (Kzl55), I edited the title to reflect the sourced edit, which was 'Father of the Modern Somali Song', which was different to the title of 'Father of Somali Music' . The primary reason why I made this edit was to stop the unwarranted edit warring and removals by this user (Kzl55). However, he continues to barrage the pages with removals unjustifiably although the titles are different and not the same. There are over 10 different sources (see:, , , , , , , , and ) that confirm why this title was conferred upon Sinimo. Please read: 'Thus crowning him as the uncontested father of the modern Somali song by penning the Balwo.' Horn of Africa Journal. 1997. p. 160. Refer to:. Despite this he continuously vandalised the paged with the removals citing the titles are the same, where I made the argument that it isn't the same. The argument I made was when I said: "The sources itself explain clearly WHY the titles were given.

1. One source says: 'Thus crowning him as the uncontested father of the modern Somali song by penning the Balwo.' Horn of Africa Journal. 1997. p. 160. There is a correlation between penning and creating the genre and the title 'Father of the Modern Somali Song'. This is CLEAR from the source.

2. Another source states the reason as to why many consider Qarshe to be the 'Father of Somali Music' is when he said: 'Perhaps, I am the first Somali to set Somali songs to the music of the lute (kaman)' Source: Interview with the late Abdullahi Qarshe (1994). So the inclusion is NOT WP:UNDUE in any way."

This is the summary of the dispute. I would hope that the matter is resolved and fixed ad that the vandalism doesn't continue further by this user. MustafaO (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Having said that, as an editor myself who has been on Wikipedia for some years, I know per Wikipedia regulations and recommendations, that the best way for these issues to be resolved is for the editors to talk, negotiate and come to common terms. I am willing, therefore, despite overwhelming evidence and with the possession of accredited and reputable published work, to remove the title: 'The Father of the Modern Somali Song' from every page and re-edit it to stop further acts of vandalism. Despite this going against my ethos and values as an editor who makes contributions using only the most reputable sources. I am yet willing further to remove the title, if you (Kzl55) as an editor refrain yourself from using a minority view to make the claim that Qarshe pioneered the Balwo from all the pages. A claim which goes against all of the sources here: (see:, , , , , , , , and ).

We are both editors and have made contributions on Wikipedia for many years. We will not be breaking any Wikipedia rules by accepting these terms. If you desist from further editing these pages using a single anomaly source referring to Qarshe pioneering the Balwo which goes against ALL the sources above, I will re-edit the pages myself and remove the contested title, despite it going against my own values as an editor. I will await to hear from you. MustafaO (talk) 05:12, 8 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Whether you, personally, are confident in the sources or not is beside the point. Wikipedia is clear about use of sources and what constitutes majority and minority views, and you can see that editors who responded on the noticeboard agree that the title is Qarshe's. At any rate, what you've offered seems like a reasonable compromise on both ends, on my part I dont mind removing the word 'pioneered' if its what is causing the dispute on your end, despite it being the exact word used by the source. The Balwo article already states the genre was founded by Abdi Sinimo, so instead of the text about Qarshe 'pioneering' we can substitute with "another Somali artist who made significant contributions to the genre was Abdullahi Qarshe", I think thats fair. Do you have an alternative wording you would like to suggest or is this ok? --Kzl55 (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Excellent, great! Thank you Kzl55. That's fine, if you mention that he made a contribution to the genre, that is absolutely fine. Maybe also mention how he added music to the genre, would be some good info on Abdullahi Qarshe. I will proceed to remove all the contested titles. Once again, thank you. MustafaO (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Check out the pages and let me know if you are happy with the edits. MustafaO (talk) 23:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks MustafaO, that works for me as well. I have added a note regarding your suggestion as well, do let me know if that is ok. --Kzl55 (talk) 23:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Kzl55, it looks great. MustafaO (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Somaliland has no place in this article
The article focuses on the music of Somalia, while the existence of a state called Somaliland is not recognised by the UN members. Stating things about Somaliland is to be considered highly controversial and the focus should be on music and not contested territories Kyrkovaktmästarn&#39; (talk) 09:56, 9 November 2021 (UTC)