Talk:Music of the Czech Republic/Archive 1

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I question the assertion that "Poutníci is the most influential Czech bluegrass band." In 1991, Poutnici saw four members depart (including founder Frantisek Linharek), two of whom founded the band Druha Trava. Since that time, at least on an international scale, Druha Trava has had a greater influence. Cmadler 8 July 2005 13:11 (UTC)

completely wrong
You got the genres wrong, you got the importances of genres wrong, you got the importances of bands wrong, you sorted them in wrong categories. Most famous female pop singer is definitely not someone whose name most people in both Czech rep and Europe never heard. Try thinking, man.. when you're writing an articele, shouldn't it be on something you know about at least a bit?

The most important part of czech music is classical, bluegrass has nearly no importance. Interesting is what you called pop - like monkey business, JAR, EOST and khoiba. First is funky, second rap, third and fourth is an art-rock influenced dance music. In pop you forgot Helena Vondráčková (who is popular mainly in Poland) and quite a few others. What about some history? "Škoda lásky", a song written by Czech which was sung on battlefields of WWII by members of all sides of conflict, often mistakenly thought of as their country's traditional. Plastic people of the universe is a new wave band, together with unmentioned Psí vojáci made history of underground music throughout communistic era. "pop music often consists of English language hits sung in Czech". Wrong - consisted would be correct, it's typical of era before the Velvet Revolution. We are hardly a point of breeding a LOT of extreme metal bands, there are some, but hardly enough even for the small Czech audience.

I'm sorry, I don't have enough strength to correct your every mistake, so you'll have to try correcting it yourself. Muflon 83 10:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Your project page mentioned that this article needed help, so I have copyedited it for good English, mechanics and style. I know practically nothing about Czech music, so I let the facts stand. Let me know if I've changed anything substantive in the process. Milkbreath 19:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

This is totally diletant drivel, messy and focused on internationally unimportant Czech pop and rock.

(to Muflon 83): I aggree with your comment with one substantial exception: Plastic People of the Universe is NOT a new wave band, this is total nosense- PPU are originnally psychedelic underground, inspired by american bands (Mothers Of Invention, Velvet Underground, Fugs) from sixties (new wave started in the end of seventies and arose from punk). Neewi (talk) 19:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

This article is totally stupid. It must be deleted or there can be described only music since 1993 - Czech republic has been existed since 1993. New article with the history of Czech music is highly recommended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanicky (talk • contribs) 06:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

This article is all wrong. There is no way how to correct it. It should be deleted. Maybe some more skilled authors should deal with the topic, an expert for each section/genre. There is hardly one expert in all kinds of music, including classical as well as rock & pop (and jazz, too!). The author of this article is obviously not an expert in anything, the choice is not representative and the genre classification is more than confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vkucera (talk • contribs) 10:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Moving forward--a few thoughts

 * OK, my first reaction: is this meant to be an article, or a list? The vast majority of space here is taken up with a chaos of lists, sometimes of seemingly arbitrary content and organization. As a beginning step on improving this article, I'm going to propose moving the lists-by-genre to a separate page, maybe called List of Czech popular music groups or some such thing.


 * Another question: Is the article meant to reflect only the current Czech musical scene, or the history thereof? (Either way, it needs more classical, which I am happy to start on soon.)


 * A nitpicky issue of nomenclature. As someone mentioned in the above section, calling it "Music of the Czech Republic" is a bit limiting if we look at the definition strictly, since the Czech Republic per se has only existed since 1993. Perhaps for English wiki, if this is intended to be a broad and historical overview, "Czech music" would be a better title (given that, at least in my understanding, in English the name Czech is understood to refer to both Bohemia and Moravia together.) Would also be easier to justify bringing in mention of Czech-Austrian or Czech-German composers like Mahler, Zelenka, Biber and so forth, if the definition of the article's material were national-cultural rather than strictly geographical. Sigh, the troubles of perpetually shifting borders...

I'm going to mention this article on WP:CZ as a high-importance article in bad shape, hope we can get started on making it into a good piece of work. Cheers all, Florestanová (talk) 01:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

This article is all wrong starting with its nonsense title. There was no Czech Republic before 1993. Therefore, the article titled "Music in the Czech Republic" should only be about the Czech music since 1993. If you want a historical overview, it needs to be titled either "Music in Czechia" or maybe "The Czech music" if you cannot stand Czechia as a correct short geographic name for the country, which seems to be the case with overzealous Czech Wikipedia editors.Geog25 (talk) 17:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I suggest to merge this article (Music of the Czech republic) and the article Music of the Czech lands to a new only article called "Czech music" (now Czech music redirects the Category Czech music).

The existence of these two articles is weird, I think. Look at other pages which should be examples for the article about Czech music (e. g. Music of Germany, Music of Denmark...), there is no such article about the Czech music - it should be article briefly referring to the history of Czech music and about the contemporary Czech music. I prefer the name "Czech music" to names such as "Music of ..." because it is hard to call the area of the Czech republic by one word for the whole past and presence (the name "Czech Republic" exists since 1993, "Bohemia" excludes Moravia, "Czechia" is weird, "Czech lands" is not one word...). There would have to be explained that the name "Czech music" doesn't refer only to the music of Czech-speaking people in Bohemia and Moravia, but also to the music of different-speaking people living in the Czech area (Bohemia and Moravia), in the area and culture of the present-day Czech Republic. What do you think? Is anybody against this merger? --Packare (talk) 11:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Of course, only Music of Czechia solves the problem - it is geographical name of the country, so use it. If it sounds weird to you, it is your problem. Learn it. http://czechia-initiative.com/Neewi (talk) 18:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Czechia is not weird, Czechia is official one word-name of the Czech Republic. See Music of Slovakia. Slovakia is official one word-name of the Slovak Republic (Slovak Republic exists since 1993 too) and in Slovakia live national minorities of Hungarians and Ruthenians. I am for this article-name: Music of Czechia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.168.13.98 (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)