Talk:Muslim conquest of Sicily

Beautiful Article
I love this article, well sourced and well organized, it is like heaven to the reader. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:37, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Horrible Lede
"Although Sicily had been raided by the Muslims since the mid-7th century [...]"

The Muslims? All of them?

I would call the lede blatantly racist, but Islam is not a race. What's the right word? 91.10.15.140 (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * You will be shocked to learn that when the Germans invaded Poland it wasn't every single German. Srnec (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * very silly comment - come on, Anon IP - get it together before you post on the TP's . . . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.19.250 (talk) 17:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Changing Muslim to Arab
User:VANETTISM1991 has chosen to unilaterally change Muslim to Arab with no explanation, discussion, or consensus.

According to Warfare in the Norman Mediterranean, by Georgios Theotokis, page 80;"The Muslim army which invaded Sicily in 827 AD is said to have consisted of ten thousand infantrymen and seven hundred cavalry in about one hundred ships. Its leadership was largely Arab, and Arabs formed the elite of this force. However, the majority were Berbers..[..]..Other soldiers included political exiles from Al-Andalus in the West and Khurasanis from the East."

So clearly the invasion force was not just Arabs. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:50, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

== Hawwara and Banu Majris ==

Fullofdino (talk) 14:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)@M.Bitton The article Mantioned involvement of Hawwara or berbers of Hawwara in the conquest of Sicily. which mean their involvement of Banu Majris since they are a berber Dynasty who lead the berbers hawwara tribe. Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * That's the definition of WP:OR. M.Bitton (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton oh what is that ? Fullofdino (talk) 14:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You just have to read it. Also, the article doesn't mention the involvement of the Hawwara tribe. M.Bitton (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton uh sorry to be quite uneventful mister bitton but I'm about to say a quote from the article (I believe it say that) "123 Idris, 5: 116 (instead of al-ard al-kabira, read ard al-Ankubarda, Lombardy = Apulia); Ibn al-Athir, 8:49f.; Amari/Nallino, 2: 165-169. The Berbers who participated in the Aghlabid conquest of Sicily belonged mainly to the Hawwara: Ibn Khaldun, History of the Berbers, 1: 277; Rebstock, Fullofdino (talk) 14:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton uh sir ? Fullofdino (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton oh okay I read about and I say I'm sorry for that but since the article say hawwara shouldn't be the hawwara mentioned maybe something like Hawwara(possibly Fullofdino (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If you can't be bothered to read the policy (you can't do it in less than 20 seconds) or go through the helpful links that I left on your talk page, then don't expect others to waste their time explaining what is clearly written. Please stop pinging me (the article is in my watchlist). M.Bitton (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton okay sorry for that I thought talk page don't send but the quote up say the Aghlabis conquest of Sicily mainly belonged to the hawwara . I thought this quote is a good quote to add hawwara. Fullofdino (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What part of "stop pinging me" don't you understand? M.Bitton (talk) 14:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)