Talk:Muslimgauze

Blurry photo
There was a better photo that was commented out a while back. Image:ByrnJonesSoleilmoonPromoPhoto.jpg How about using it instead? --Mperry 03:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * the "blurry photo" isnt bad, its "blurry" on purpose. but ur right, the other one is better. theres no reason there cannot be two photos in this article so i'm going to move the other one down. there was no photo up when i added the other one. Alex  Ov  Shaolin  22:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * i moved the other photo down to the live section. Alex  Ov  Shaolin  22:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it true that he was gay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.54.178.144 (talk) 05:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Soliemoon
i'm adding the list of unreleased stuff soiliemoon announced (list: http://arabbox.free.fr/unreleased.htm ), theres no telling whether or not all of this stuff will come to light eventually, so it is helpful to note what is known. Alex Ov  Shaolin  05:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

cut/paste from my site
I am the webmaster of the arabbox fansite about Muslimgauze, and I see lots of photos and texts are cut/paste into that page about Muslimgauze.I want to say that I am not ok with that, you can make a link to my site unstead : http://arabbox.free.fr The unreleased section will be real time modified, it's much more better and respectful to my work. thank you. mo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.220.90.11 (talk • contribs).
 * I have emailed the webmaster of the site in question to verify that this message was posted by him/her. If I get an affirmative response I will go through the article and remove any copyright violations and rewrite sections where applicable. --Mperry 20:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) (I had a look, but couldn't read the red-text-on-black during the daylight!) -Quiddity 22:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I did hear back and it was him that posted that. --Mperry 00:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * WO hold up, the reason i added that info is because it sounds like the dude from arabbox merely nicked the info from the izlamaphobia news letter. if i am wrong, and he is from soilemoon, thats different. And as far as the promotional stuff goes, unless the dude running arrabox owns the rights to them (which he may) he really doesn't have authority to request them being removed. Alex  Ov  Shaolin  01:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The spreadsheet style info (discog etc) should be perfectly fine to copy. It is freely available info. (Just like IMDB couldn't object to our copying an actor's filmography). Though the site should be listed as the primary source. As long as no prose was copied without sourcing (whether from a site or a newsletter), and no personal photos used, it should be all good. Or perhaps Mo. can point out a few specific problems? :) --Quiddity 03:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That list of unreleased material has made it's way around the islamaphonia mailing list about once a year since right after Bryn died. IIRC, Charles from Soleilmoon put the list together and all Mr. Arabbox has done is delete the parts of the list that have since been released. And it's ludicrous for him to assert that his list will be edited in "real time"; as if the pace of Muslimgauze releases is so overwhelming that there's no way the list on this page couldn't be edited as well. dil 13:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

vandalism by 81.220.90.11
it seems that the person running arrabox has committed a fair amount of unrespectable editing, especially on Oct. 28. Even though the content used on this site came from his website (posters, et cetera), he by no means owns the exclusivity to the content, as it is fair use promotional material. After he edited the article, and it was reverted by a few people paying attention, he requests that material is removed. I dont think there is much excuse for this action, and i'm proposing banning him, i would like a concensus, thank you. Alex Ov  Shaolin  03:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a bannable offence at all. He's just not educated about how this project works yet. Now that we have the beginnings of a dialogue, he might even become a contributor. WP:AGF and WP:BITE ;-)
 * He may not own the images, but it looks like he might have scanned them himself - I'd be grumpy if someone used my scans, regardless of ownership; and I don't know whether the photographs are his own shots or 'actual promotional photos' distributed by someone else - better sourcing for these photos would be appreciated - Image:MuslimgauzeLive1998-06-13-Photo2.jpg and Image:MuslimgauzeLive1998-06-13.gif. Thanks :) --Quiddity 19:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, we don't need to ban him. Like Quiddity said, the guy doesn't know Wikipedia or its policies.  --Mperry 00:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Moved discography to its own page
The discography section was huge and was dominating the page so I've moved it to its own page. Maybe we can update the format and put it in a table with album info and CD covers. Example. --Mperry 19:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Remixing
the article says: "However, despite a few collaborations, Jones didn't trust anyone when it came to remixing his music. Instead, he would usually take pieces of music that were sent to him and remix them to his own liking."

what about, for example, the whole "occupied territories" double-album?  Tjenare 14:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Tjenare,

Not just the Occupied Territories, pretty much anything by any artists. Jones didn't like being remixed by anyone unless he had a final go at them.I. Khider (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Taqwacore
I removed this as a category for two reasons. First, Muslimgauze wasn't a punk project and Taqwacore seems to espouse some kind of melange of hardcore punk and Islamic culture; slapping a genre label on Muslimgauze that postdates Bryn's death by four years doesn't really seem appropriate. Second, I'm having trouble buying into a genre that is named after a book detailing a (then) fictional genre of music and that, according to Wikipedia, has precisely one band attributed to it. dil 21:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:BrynJonesMuslimgauzePromoPhoto.jpg
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Dear BetacommandBot,

It's called substantiating a claim. if a newspaper proclaims John F. Kennedy was shot, a photo of the tragedy on the front page of the newspaper helps substantiate that claim. In that context it is relevant. If I am doing an entry on Bryn Jones, a picture of him helps prove that he existed and it is kind of relevant. Of course, images can be fabricated, just ask the National Enquirer. But if loads of people step forth to say, 'I saw the picture, that's Bryn, I remember him!' Then we can establish it as a fact. If someone sees the picture of the assassination of Kennedy on the front page, a Texan might say, 'I saw it, I was there, I remember that terrible moment.' The idea of image to substantiate a claim works its magic, especially if it is true.I. Khider (talk) 04:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Muslimgauze1995-10-08ConcertPoster.jpg
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Dear BetacommandBot

Please read above. To misquote Heraclitus, 'As above, so below.' I. Khider (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Muslimgauze1998-01-27ConcertBillBack.jpg
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Never equipment from the US or Japan?
How can this be true if DAT originated in Japan—and many of the masters of his recordings are on DAT?? Even if the equipment was made in—horrors!—China, the technology comes from Japan. I think that sentence should be removed. Peace —MuzikJunky (talk) 07:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't be true the photo being used shows two Akai S-5000 samplers, and a few yamaha boxes behind him (all made in Japan) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.36.35 (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Edits Update
Greetings, I am updating the Muslimgauze entry. I am ready to verify all my claims I make. I do not object to changes by others but would like to be informed first so I can supply the pertinent sources should any detail be contested. The entry is a work-in-progess, mistakes will be made, so I am eager to be corrected and helped for any editorial/content discussion.

btw, Jones had no problem using US or Japanese gear. The claim he was against said gear is spurious. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by I. Khider (talk • contribs) 21:24, 21 December 2008


 * Sounds fine. Just remember to sign all your comments, etc. by typing the tilde key four times: ~ Pinkville (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

I am close to another draft of the Muslimgazue entry, in its entirety. I am wondering when I will be granted the right to upload images and sound. I think images help substantiate and empower a claim. For instance, if I say Bryn Jones played in Japan--by posting the image of a poster--it helps substantiate the claim. I contacted the designer of the posters and the original photographers and can get clearance to use the images. I will also contact the Arabbox site runner and try to get his blessings as well. Let's see if we can upgrade the class of the entry to something more respectable. Anyone's help of getting upload privilege clearance would be greatly appreciated. I. Khider (talk) 04:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

For any one interested, a Muslimgauze Task Force page has been put together. It can be accessed and joined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musicians/Muslimgauze_task_force#Participants.I. Khider (talk) 17:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I vote we remove all quotes from zines and independent magazines!Xebche (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not based on voting, see WP:What Wikipedia is not.
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