Talk:Muslims/Archive 1

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Should this page be deleted and redirected to Islam??

No, I don't think so. There is clearly a distinction between the topics of Islam and Muslim people, in the same way that there is a distinction between Christian people and Christianity. This poses a minor problem for naming conventions (we're using the word as a noun, though it might also thought of as an adjective). We could make Muslim redirect to Muslim people and Islam, perhaps. --LMS

Islam and inter-racial marriages
Religious scripture is always open to intepretation, so I doubt it's possible to present a NPOV, but I have reservations about this statement

''One of the tenets of Islam is that all mankind is one, so Muslims do not reject inter-racial marriage. ''

The conclusion doesn't strike me as a NPOV irrespective of its truth value. -- Gyan


 * I don't follow. Are you saying that you don't think it is NPOV to say "Muslims do not reject interracial marriage", or you don't think it is neutral to say "Islam says all mankind is one, and that is why Muslims do not reject interracial marriage"? Graft

The first alternative. -- Gyan

Maybe if someone puts 'Many Muslims do not reject inter-racial marriage' that would leave it as a subject that is open to debate, and neutral. But thats just an idea.

Now to my question, which are the Muslims who let their beard grow?

AntonioMartin


 * Debate isn't really possible on the subject; the Prophet encouraged one of his dearest disciples, the black ex-slave Zayd, to marry Zaynab, a woman of the noblest "white" Arab extraction. However, it is certainly possible that Muslims might ignore the religious perspective on this, so I suggest making it "No orthodox Muslims have religious objections to inter-racial marriage." 67.164.10.115 06:23, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Re inter-racial marriage, the "all mankind is one" bit is pretty orthodox Muslim belief.

Men, as opposed to Gods
Muslims consider Muhammad and Jesus ("Isa") both to have been men.

I think that this needs some clarification. Is this men as opposed to women, or men as opposed to some kind of god? -- bdesham

Men, as opposed to gods

Radical?
I think this encyclopedia entry is very confusing with "radical" etc. labels inserted needlessly


 * Yes, there are good articles on Islamic fundamentalist, Islam as a political movement and militant Islam, and a stub on Islamic parties, which describe the issues in more depth. There is or was also an article on Islamism which presents a biased USPOV that is only widely held in the US and Israel.

Demographic information
The demographic information doesn't belong here but in Islamic World.
 * It's also conflicting to what the Islamic World reports. (China 133 million muslims but not on list on Muslim. I am going to remove that section since it's better suited in the Islamic World section. --Localizer

Removed text
I removed the following block of text from the article: ''Please add information about different groups of Muslims. For example, the population distribution (second to Christians), nationality (e.g more Muslims in Asia than in middle east), culture (do Chinese muslims and Arab muslims follows the same rituals?), how do they study Qur'an if they are not Arabs, their view on terrorism etc... '' --cprompt 08:32, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well, in the "sirah" Zayd wasn't a "black" salve ... he was kidnaped as a child from his arab tribe "Kalb" and then sold in the slave market ... he was bought by "Hakheem ibn Heazam" and gaved him to "Khadija bint Khouiled" - One of Mohammed's wives - and then she gave him to Mohammed.

And not to mention that "Zayd ibn Haritha Al-Kalbiy" was white ... but people thought that he's black because of his son's "Usama" skin color - whice was black - cause his father married a blakc ex-slave "Om Ayman" - after he divorced Zainab (who wasn't pleased of being a wife to an ex-slave altought he wasn't black) -.

pornography
There are no restrictions on pornography in the Ahh madya sect of muslims allowing you a pilgrimage to mecca. A notable member is faried pierkhan who is broacasting pornography in Suriname and also regularly in his studio (RBN studio suriname) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.211.124 (talk) 01:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)