Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's cult of personality

Statues
Wikipedia's policy on image galleries says: "The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject". I don't feel that this page's collection of images of statues aids my understanding of Atatürk's cult of personality; the article already tells me that "statues of Atatürk can be found all over Turkey", and that point doesn't need to be so extensively illustrated. I'm sure there are people who will be interested in these images, but we can easily, and much more unobtrusively, provide a link to commons:Category:Statues of Atatürk with the commons category template. DoctorKubla (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Should I just add a template like this which would hide most of the statues? -- Ե րևանցի talk  19:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Charles De Gaulle and George Washington?
He may be, but I am not quite convinced that scholarly consensus has been established that Ataturk's cult of personality is similar to George Washington's or Charles De Gaulle's. I could be wrong though but I need to see more evidence. One reference has just one sentence and mentions Washington in passing. The other reference has no preview. But even if it had, how many compare him to Washington or De Gaulle? For the time being I have removed such comparisons as a bit forward-looking. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  09:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if there's a scholarly consensus, but I've personally came across several articles that praise him as "savior" of Turkey. One possibility is specifiying which groups/sections of the society (e.g. secularists or Kemalists) consider him Turkey's savior or make comparisons with Washington and de Gaulle. -- Ե րևանցի  talk  09:58, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * He may well be considered to be the saviour of Turkey but I think this is not the main issue. A personality cult has been developed due to his being such a prominent figure in Turkey, therefore I am certain that many people in Turkey and abroad compare him to George Washington, Charles de Gaulle etc.. But the question is, are there any respected academics who have reached the conclusion that Ataturk's personality cult is no different than Washington's or DeGaulle's? And is this a widespread opinion among academics? This is where WP:UNDUE comes in. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  10:16, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Recent disputed deletions/additions
@TimothyBlue I've noticed the current state of the article from the recent reversions and re-reversions. While I do not agree with everything that they have said in their edit summary, the disputed text was added (with very weak consensus) somewhat recently, and with not much reasoning by the editor either.

In general, while I disagree with the reasoning of the editor, I think the disputed text is not a properly enclyopedic representation of Atatürk's cult of personality.

The comparison to the Soviet Union could be thought of as a mainstream view, but the term 'grotesque' does not belong on a lede in this context, as that is exactly the vaguely defined, highly loaded language dispreffered in academic contexts. Neither is the claim that Turkish multi-party politics is a façade acceptable, in my opinion, as that should properly be called a reckless, if not WP:FRINGE statement. Many academics would probably be comfortable calling Turkey a former 'tutelary democracy', transforming into a 'competitive authoritarian' state under Erdoğan, but would shy away from calling Turkey's multi-party democracy a façade, which are very strong words indeed. Uness232 (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)