Talk:Mustafa Shokay

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I have never heard the Uzbeks claim Shokai was an Uzbek. If he were a Uzbek, how could he be "a leading member of Alash Orda(Kazakh-Kyrghyz nationalistic organisation)?"www.factbug.org/cgi-bin/a.cgi?a=1686485

And how could he say: "We all (Kazakhs and Kyrghyz)are children of Alash." (Wir sind alle Kinder Alaschs")[]

He was a Kazakh. He was born in Aulie tarangyl, a village in the Syrdariya district of Kyzyl-Orda oblast. This Kazakh-populated territory is now a part of Uzbekistan.

The Russian article pinned by you (*Mustafa Chokaev listing at Ludi - in Russian)states that he traced his genealogy back to the Kazakh khans who ruled Khiwa.

It is known that since the XIII century the Kazakh aristocracy (generally, the descendants of Ghengis Khan) had been invited to Khiva and Kokand where they were proclaimed by the Uzbeks as their khans. For example, Bakhadur khan (1728), Ilbars khan II (1728-40), Takhir khan (1740-41), Nuraly khan (1741- 42), Qaip (Ghaib) khan (1746-57) - all of Sheibanid dinasty, or other khans of Qonyrat dinasty that ruled Khiva from 1804 till the 1920 revolution.

Even the Democratic ERK Party of Uzbekistan confirms that Mustafa Shoqai was a Kazakh. ]

Finally he was poisoned by Wali Kajumov, an Uzbek himself, who wanted the Kazakhs be fired from the commander positions in the Turkestan Legion.


 * I'm sure you know as well as I do that every ethnic group in Central Asia claims every historical figure as their own. I've had reputable Central Asian scholars try an convince me that all Tajiks are Turks and that the Islam Karimov, the president of Uzbekistan, is really a Tajik. Besides, Chokaev was a Turkistani nationalist. Did he even consider himeself a Kazakh or Uzbek? Or was he a Turkistani first? I don't know. If you If you want to write he's a Kazakh, then place an inline ciation at the end of the sentence to the exact article(s) that states that Chokaev is a Kazakh. --David Straub 03:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "Mustafa Shoqaev (Chokaev) (1890-1941) Born in Perovsk, Syr-Dar’ya oblast. Toraighyr clan, Qypshaq tribe, Middle Zhuz. His ancestors on his mother’s side were khans (ethnic Kazakhs) of the Khiva khanate." - Tomohiko Uyama, The Geography of Civilizations: Chapter 3-A Spatial Analysis of the Kazakh Intelligentsia's Activities, From the Mid-Nineteenth to the Early Twentieth Century


 * "The congress elected the Turkistan Central Council of Muslims, another regional governing body, which became known as the National Center with an ethnic Kazakh and westernized Turkistan nationalist Mustafa Chokaev (1890-1941) as its chairman." - Roudik, Peter (2007). The history of the Central Asian republics. Greenwood Publishing Group.


 * There you are. It was never really a controversy that Mustafa Shokay was Kazakh. You must be confusing this topic with some other issues. Selerian (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will do that as soon as I can. P.S. Islam Karimov is a Tajik from Samarkand. (even nowadays the bulk of population in Buqara and Samarqand is Tajik). Every Uzbek knows that. Whether he will disclose this fact or not is the other question. That is the reason why he was absent from the summer summit of Turkic states in Turkey.

I do not know the Wikipedia rules well, but can anyone explain me why is this article put into the Uzbekistan section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.225.69 (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

contradiction
first, it is unnessary to put "age:119" he already died and i dont know how to edit. secondly, the article says he died in 1941, but Turkestan legion says Turkistan legion was formed in 1942. so, how did he help the legion established? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.104.230 (talk) 05:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Mustafa Shokay started recruiting Central Asian POWs into the Turkestan legion in the autumn of 1941, but died before the Turkestan legion was deployed in any military capacity. The Turkestan legion was mobilized for battle in 1942, after Mustafa Shokay's death. If you read carefully, there is no contradiction. However, more details may need to be added. Selerian (talk) 15:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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