Talk:Mutant (Marvel Comics)/Archive 1

Untitled
I'm changing the data on the first published mutant story being Amazing Adult Fantasy #14, 1962, as I've found two earlier ones. Noclevername 01:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Latent & Omega-levels mutants (and Secondary Mutations)
Shouldn't there be a paragraph or something describing both Omega Levels and latent mutants? I'm not that proficient on either but was just wondering. RIANZ 20:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The phrase "omega level mutant" was used long before 2001. I first remember reading it when the X-Men fought the advanced sentinel from the future, Nimrod. Nimrod was searching for Omega level mutants to destroy. This was around Uncanny X-Men 190 something. 65.93.24.193 (talk) 10:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Epsilon should be removed. These terms has never appeared in comics, it's made up by fans and made popular on msg boards. (Don't know how to make a new topic) 29 May 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.63.197.226 (talk) 12:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with latent mutancy being mentioned. Also with this, secondary mutations should be listed.--Maninthewomb (talk) 19:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Jamie
It's been revealed in the X-factor comics that Jamie Madrox is not actually a mutant, should his name be removed from anywhere it shows up on this page? 67.168.58.192 08:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * no it should not, i can think of quite a few mutants who have had there powers since birth, jamie madrox, Beast, nightcrawler i am pretty sure that other mutants had evidence of mutation from birth.--Dr noire 20:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I know this is old news, yet.... It HAS been revealed that he is something greater than simply being a mutant, but it was in one brief storyline and hasn't been confirmed elsewhere yet. It could be that he's mutant AND whatever that other species was, and it could very well be that the whole thing gets glossed over and never becomes considered canon. For now, I don't think he should be removed. ---D--- (talk) 13:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Added a sub-section for "Changelings." It is in-canon and it should be noted. --Maninthewomb (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Mutant history
I think it's important to expand the mutant history section to include references to specific things like Genosha. Imagine if mutants were real; that would be a major historical event. I'd do it, but I'm not so familiar with the continuity. -- SamSim 13:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Retcon redux
Removed the following: "However, these early precursors count as retcons." -as inaccurate. Retcons, by definition, are later changes to continuity. These early creations' place in modern Marvel canon has not yet been clarified by the company. Noclevername 22:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Omega section
I have removed a large swath of unsourced material (as is the right of any contributor) and in-universe speculation (which violates numerous content policies. Please have a good reason for reinserting it. Phil Sandifer (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

immune to aids
"Mutants are immune to the AIDS virus"

can you please give a specifc source for this statement. as i have never actually herd this one before —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr noire (talk • contribs) 14:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

This is from Chuck Austen's run on Uncanny X-Men. I don't know the specific issue off-hand, but it is the one where Angel goes to hospitals to heal people with his blood. --Maninthewomb (talk) 19:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Omega Level Mutant Article
There shouldn't have been a merge. The Article was much more informative and expansive on the subject than the sorry excuse for an entry in this Article. Can it please be reinstated as it's own article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.76.32 (talk) 00:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

POV
I restored the Ultimate Marvel section to reflect the out-of-universe POV and the ambiguity of noncanon speculation, please leave it that way. -- Noclevername (talk) 23:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Respectfully request a clarification on nomenclature
We need to find a term that explains that for the most part, ONLY humans with a Celestial-implanted X-Gene can develop superpowers, whether they are Mutants OR Mutates.

Technically, ALL such humans have an X-Gene, given to them by the Celestials -the rest of us without such genes usually die when exposed to those things that make Mutates' powers awaken (speaking fictionally of course).

Does anyone know of the name used in Comic Canon, if any, that we can use instead of "X-Gene" to describe Mutates??

Or, is it factually accurate to say that ALL people who are capable of mutation, have an X-Gene whether it activates on its own (mutants) or not (mutates)??

Other Mutant Types
There are other different types of mutants or at least different catergorizes of them such as the Twelve and the angelic & demonic mutants from Azazel's time.

Children of the Atom
I notice that there is no reference to the X-Gene and it's relation to the Atomic Age of the '40s.

The earliest explanation of mutation regarding the X-Men was humanity's exposure to radiation resulting from the world's increasing use of atomic weapons and atomic energy, awakening the latent X-Gene that is present in all humans, though it still remained largely dormant for most of the populace.FA Shotgun (talk) 02:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Horsemen = Mutates?
Most of Apocalypse's Horsemen are mutants further genetically and/or technologically altered to enhance, change, or give additional powers to the subjects, sometimes not mutant at all. As such, I wanted to list those Horsemen who, unlike Gazer, Polaris, Sunfire, and Quicksilver (comics), still retained their own powers when augmented by Apocalypse. Specifically I wonder if Archangel, Gambit (comics) and Caliban should be listed as mutates since they clearly benefited from genetic manipulation in addition to their natural abilities as mutants. Just looking for confirmation before I added those details. ---D--- (talk) 13:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Marvel Mutants and Humans are not a separate species
Ordinary humans and Marvel universe mutants are not a separate species as they don't meet the main criterion for speciation, namely reproductive isolation, i.e. the inability to exhange genes through interbreeding and generation of fertile offspring.200.168.21.71 (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

this is wrong sorry ... the requirements for a distinct species are soooo foggy that even the biologists are arguing over them for the past few hundred years ... ask darwin lol ... but ask anyone ... MUTANTS ARE THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF MAN ... are we not a different species than homo erectus ?!? i'm sure if a woman had sex with a cave man that was one evolutionary step below us she could have a kid that wouldn't be too different ... after all not much happens in one step of the chain

23:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.135.231 (talk)

"Species"
How can mutants be classified as a different species when they can produce viable offspring with normal humans? I'm going to go ahead and just remove that unsourced, unneeded and speculative paragraph. If someone can back it up, feel free to revert. But it seems to be original "research" and does not belong here.

Gambit - - Not an omega level mutant
I just noticed on the page that you have gambit listed as an omega level mutant, this is not true, while he is capable of some pretty nifty things, and has omega level potential, he is "not" at an omega power level. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.212.15 (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

"Classification of potential of mutant powers" and "Omega-level mutants"
Enough is enough.

Someone with a copy of X-Men: The Last Stand or a comic that lays out the "1,2,3,4,5", please cite when/where the rankings of the characters listed are coming from. If there are no cites, or conflicting ones, the list will get pruned since it seems to be prone to shuffling (Storm's jump the mot recent occurrence).

The Omega list is fine as is. No more needed. Some of the characters need cites or they will be removed. If/when that happens, there really isn't a need to replace them. And the is no good reason to replace them with character where the ranking isn't sourced.

- J Greb (talk) 01:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's definitely not.  I've added Quentin Quire twice, including the link from marvel.com where it says 'Omega level', and yet, you keep reverting it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.162.250 (talk) 03:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it is. At best it's a list of examples, not and exhaustive, definitive, in-story census.
 * There is also a major problem with your source - as far as Wikipedia is concerned it is not a reliable source. Even though it is hosted at Marvel's site it's an open wiki.
 * - J Greb (talk) 04:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, I've removed the reference to him being an Omega level mutant from his own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagard (talk • contribs) 04:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

At the very least the Scarlet Witch should be added to the list of Omega Level Mutants, although never officially called such in the comics, its fairly obvious she is either omega level or beyond it given she can alter reality, revive the dead, change history, and even send souls back in time to be reborn in the past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.58.43.4 (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No. That's original research or fan guessing. It stays out. - J Greb (talk) 06:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So in other words, until the comics actually use the term "omega level" in reference to her it wont be considered true for this article, even though anyone reading the comics and seeing her do things like alter history its self, depower 90% of the mutants across the omniverse, and manifest complex structures from nothing, feats that most the others on the list can't do? There is "original research" and then there is "kind of obvious". I don't need a biology text to tell me a boa constrictor is a snake when I first see it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.58.43.4 (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's more or less the case. Please keep in mind this is an article in a general use encyclopedia, not a fan-centric resource tool. What may be "obvious" to a fan may not be to the average user of Wikipedia. Adding what you find "obvious", especially in relation to an element in a work of fiction, is interpretation of the primary source and definetly falls under "original research".
 * And even if Marvel does run a story where the Scarlet Witch is mentioned as "Omega Level", the list here is not ment to be all inclusive. It's fine as is. - J Greb (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sampi-level & Sho-level
If Omega-level already denotes transfinite potential, then Sampi-level already denotes infinite potential.

Greek alphabet is bigger than commonly believed:

83.30.142.240 (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

While Sampi-level already denotes infinite potential of real numbers, Sho-level already denotes infinite potential of complex numbers. 79.191.252.45 (talk) 15:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Magneto
Since I can't find how to edit the article, could someone add Magneto to the list of Omega level mutants - source: Sentinel in X-Men (vol 2) #56 (2nd page of story after cover (not sure which page if ad pages are included)). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.88.82 (talk) 06:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jwhite1984, 7 July 2011
Please add Emma Frost to the "omega level mutant" section of this page. Emma Frost is a confirmed omega class telepath per "Uncanny X-Men #518 page 8"

Jwhite1984 (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Undone: Please look at the note at the top of the section edited. List is not meant to be exhaustive but a hand full of examples. - J Greb (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there a problem with adding more confirmed omegas to the list though? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.214.28 (talk) 08:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is. It is supposed to be a hand full of examples. That means it stops at a point even if your fave that may be/is heavily implied to be/is confirmed in story as/is listed in a Marvel guide as an "Omega" isn't among them.
 * - J Greb (talk) 11:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 February 2012
Valeria Richards is an omega level mutant and needs to be added.

50.131.125.75 (talk) 02:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The list of examples is fine as is. - J Greb (talk) 03:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 April 2012
In the section of Omega mutants, It was revealed by Emma Frost that she and Professor Charles Xavier are both Omega Class Telepaths when she manages to detect the real Professor X during the Dark Reign Story arch.

184.77.17.189 (talk) 22:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The list of examples is fine as is. - J Greb (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 December 2011
Please do not forget to mention Storm as an Omega-level mutant. In the section of Storm's powers and abilities, it is stated that she is an Omega-level mutant.

Cm.faith (talk) 07:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: List is just examples not a complete list of them. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 May 2012
Psylocke is also an omega level mutant

24.79.168.153 (talk) 23:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The list of examples is fine as is. - J Greb (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 January 2013
Please add Storm to the list of Omega Level Mutants. She was named Omega Level by the sentinals in Black Panther #21.

71.237.182.105 (talk) 06:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The list of examples is fine as is. - J Greb (talk) 11:51, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Uncited quote
Just wanted to post on here that I have removed an uncited quote. Comatmebro ~Come at me~ 23:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Reference 10 is incorrect
In the references section, number 10 is Uncanny X-Men 207, but the event it's referring to happened in issue 208. Nimrod's internal systems refer to Rachel Summers as Class Omega, then again on the next page. Deegan87 (talk) 18:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)