Talk:Mutants in fiction

Forked information
This information has been forked off from Mutant. See that page for history information. ClockworkTroll 03:17, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Questions?
It's impossible that the Celestials came to Earth a million years ago and tampered with Homo sapiens DNA. Homo sapiens weren't around then. The only two groups of humans (Homo means human) around were Homo erectus and Homo ergaster. So how could the Celestials get Homo sapiens?

Phrasing
I wonder about this phrasing: "One possibility is that they have no physical deformities as a result of their powers, but are physically very attractive. In the Marvel Universe, a pleasant physical appearance often garners better treatment, just as it does in the real world." I found this slightly questionable, since a lot of the ordinary mutants of X-Men are quite pretty, too, such as Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey, Shadowcat etc... I guess it's part of the escapism of Superhero comics.

Omega-Level Mutation
There is no mention of Omega leval mutation, this is mentioned in other wikipedia articles.

Omega speaks for potential. Xmen forever spoke of how humanity is the result of experiments the celestials carried out on early lifeforms, on behalf of the abstracts. The reason for these experiments was to ensure that a race of beings would eventually evolve that would surpass and in turn replace all of the abstracts. This would bring about the end of universe. By creating humanity the abstracts are ensuring that the cycle of life continues to revolve. This final state of evolution is phoenix. Its what all humanity will eventually turn into. Thats why Jean as phoenix is called the "ultimate mutation". Those with omega (the last) potential are the ones closest to reaching this final stage of evolution. Whether their potential results in they themselves turning into phoenixes (like Jean and Quentin Quire have) or their descendants doing so, within omega mutants lies the potential to bring about the end. Hence its name. -I read that somewhere, I have no idea as to the veracity or accuracy of it.
 * It's also been said that Franklin Richards is the ulimate expression of Human potential... and the same's been said of Destiny Force-wielding Rick Jones... and Adam Warlock was created by the Enclave to be the "penultimate human". Dr Archeville 20:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Quote from a discussion board: "Beta: Mutants whose powers work on a subconcious level i.e instant decription, technological understanding. Super intelligence is and telepathy are not beta level powers because telepathy requires being able mentally “hear” and communicate with others via telepethy. Even if you are unaware of your powers, i.e young institutionalized Emma Frost you still have the potential to commujnicate with others while supconsious mental abilities have extremly limited potential not to say that that subconsiouc abilities aren’t useful. Super intelligence is also not a beta power because if you were super intellingnet you would know it and use your inteligence conciously.


 * Alpha: Mutations that cause physical differences (i.e claws, fur, altered biology), energy manipulation of any type, flight, naturally enhanced scensesand strength. Any mental ability that can conciously be used to affect the physical and meta physical plane. Also active powers that depend upon physical contact sucha Rogue and Sebastion Shaw.


 * Omega: A mutant with the ability (or potental) to exist beyond the physical realm and consciously explore the metaphysical. Immortaly is also a possibility but not a requirerment. Phoenix (Jean) is the final mutation, the ultimate omega mutant, Xavier and Magneto are not Omega's, just peak Alphas, Rachel Grey, Iceman, Elixir, Nate, and Cable are Omega among others.


 * But I have some doubt about this classification, especially Beta. And then there is the mutants that only looks weird but don't have any powers. And when it comes to the DNA that the celestials incorperated in them, I wonder where it is. In their junk-DNA maybe? But why is mutants taking a human form just because they lose their powers because of the cure and such?

The Celestial DNA
It looks like the mutant gene in the Marvel universe allowes mutants to get access to the part of the human DNA that is altered by the celestials and its potential. The opening into this altered DNA may not always be wide, but enough to give the mutant powers beyond ordinary humans. But the wider the opening gets, the more the mutant is transformed (for instance like the first time Hank McCoy was transformed, and the second time when he became even more beast like. Or the secondary mutation that turned Emma Frost into a creature of diamond.). Like a virus (or more like sleeping DNA that is fully wakened), the "celestial DNA" may even take over the body completely, turning the person into a ultimate mutant of full potential (maybe something similar to what happened in the movie Species, where the alien DNA was isolated from the human DNA). What if there was made some virus or other micro-organism in the Marvel universe that was designed to infect mutants and open all the doors into the "celestial DNA" and waken all of it, making it the dominant part of the human DNA and take totally control, like a caterpillar that is transformed into a butterfly?
 * ......... hunh? Dr Archeville 20:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge A-Z of mutants info into this article
FYI, the article A-Z of mutants appears to be redundant to this article, as well as needing clean-up. I suggest merging appropriate verifiable information from the A-Z article into this one. Dugwiki 17:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No Merge, delete A-Z of mutants -- redundant to Category:Marvel Comics mutants, List of X-Men teams, and Decimation (comics).  Check for info that isn't on the character pages and then simply delete A-Z.  I don't think it belongs on Mutant (fictional) - HKMARKS 00:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to No merge, but expand A-Z of Mutants, and possibly Rename to "List of Marvel Comics mutants" or something similar. It's a well-structured list and could potentially replace the others, but right now it's very, very incomplete. -HKMARKS 16:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No Merge, but Keep A-Z of mutants is to much info for this article, but keep it if anything the other three are redundant to the A-Z list, which is more organized and more complete.  199.245.163.1 19:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Horrible, absolutely
This article is dedicated to the various fictional conceptions of mutants as seen in various media.

It should include brief, general descriptions of mutants as seen in each media, notable fictional world, etc., not detailed descriptions of how the concept is applied to the Marvel Comics fictional universe.

I'm going to start work on removing needless detailed info. Anyone disagree with my views on the matter? -FrostyBytes 14:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You have a point, though I have one concern. I'm going to move the Marvel-related info to a new page since, really, Marvel's "mutants" have their own unique identity. King Zeal 17:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That is exactly what I was thinking. :) -FrostyBytes 15:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I moved, as far as I could tell, all the Marvel characters to Mutant (Marvel comics) - all 1000 or so of them. ;)  24.136.11.242 03:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The article still seems somewhat off balance with an emphasis on the comics at the beginning and everything else shunted off into "other media". It might be best to organize it by media type (move all the comics items into the comics section) and then link to related articles as necessary. Obviously we still want to give more weight to universes where it plays a more substantial role but I think this just isn't quite working here. Stardust8212 14:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with User:Stardust8212. I would have expected the article to start with early science fiction, e.g. Van Vogt's Slan, and maybe tie it in with Frankenstein's monster, Caliban or whatever. Surely Marvel weren't first to explain monsters (noble or otherwise) as mutants. And somehow the kind of mutants Philip K. Dick wrote about in The Golden Man seem to be excluded here. JöG (talk) 19:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Namor no more
I deleted the statement about Sub-Mariner as it was not accurate; Namor being called Marvel's "first mutant" is a recent (mid-1990's) occurance. (And why was it placed under DC/Metahumans?)

Noclevername 02:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Mutants in film also include beings such as Godzilla, The Creature of the Black Lagoon, etc. If this page if titled Mutant (fictional) it should include other major mutants of fiction.


 * Uh, read the list. Also, the CftBL was described in the film as a surviving prehistoric creature, not a mutant.Noclevername 03:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Mutants in dystopian-future settings
These should at least be mentioned. Mutants, existing as a result of thermonuclear war or some other global catstrophe, in the ruins of the old (i.e. today's) cities who attack denizens of the new megacities foolish enough to leave their artificial life zones. This is such a common cliché in dystopian settings that it can't go unnoticed. -- 92.229.68.142 (talk) 06:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

And THIS is why I'm a hater
This is the start of a very, very, important Wiki article; complete with "I can use a thesaurus incorrectly" wording (a trope is a literary device, not a plot device... unless you mean to say the writers don't know what a mutant is), random "I want my say" scientific blurb that has no meaning in the context of the article, use of jargon that exceeds the standards of the article (i.e. dictating the effects of relativity to explain that [Not WHY] the earth rotates around the sun.) The rest of the article appears to simply be a list... Of course WP:list is lame... so adding in details makes it a non-list right? Details make the difference... like this detail "Mutants have played a major role in Marvel comics" or "(www.sikhiart.blogspot.com) WP:advertisment or something maybe (or how about WP:Notability?) or how about a plot synopsis "A DNA-altering bio-weapon which turns ordinary humans into pale, fanged, boil-covered psychotic creatures called "moots", who crave human flesh." The two biggest entries are just summaries of other articles. (Currently I'm against summarys, next week... I'll support it). And what article is complete without a refrence to some obscure article.

The best that this page should hope for is to be a disabiguation page... But that will never happen will it?

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