Talk:Muv-Luv/Archive 1

Disambiguation
I'm against it. How'd you split it up, anyway? Extra and Unlimited are part of the same game, and Alternative is too closely linked to Unlimited. Omgwtflolz 16:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Since there aren't any objections, I'll just go remove that thing. Omgwtflolz 18:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Charcater details are big spoilers.
You should really consider removing the details about the characters. Especially Sumika Kagami and 00-Unit are huge spoilers first revealed a good way in the final game. Having those later in the article might be alright since it's a warning there.


 * "...Wikipedia, which strives first to inform, spoilers or not..." Omgwtflolz 11:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

removed interwiki link
At the bottom of the article, there were two interwiki links: ja:マブラヴ and ja:マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ. I removed the latter because you should only link to one page for a given language. Otherwise, it's confusing... in the "other languages" section (on the sidebar in the default Monobook skin), it says this: "日本語 日本語"—and there's nothing to differentiate the two links (other than mousing over the link to see where it goes, but not everybody is that web-savvy). That's bad. So you need to decide which link is better to keep. I decided to keep ja:マブラヴ because it looks like it's the main article, but of course you can keep the other one instead if there's a compelling argument to do so. - furrykef (Talk at me) 00:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Each article is about a game, and this article covers each heavily. Both links should be kept. There is no "main" article. Omgwtflolz 09:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * But the way the two links appear is unacceptable. Consider this sentence: "You can view this page in Japanese or in Japanese." Does that make any sense to you? Does the sentence provide any indication that the two pages "in Japanese" are different? But that's the way the links appear when you have both of them. It's just not acceptable. You have to find some other solution, like splitting this page into two and having each link to its corresponding Japanese article. That's what I'm inclined to do. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Article Cleanup
this article is writen in a very confusing way. Is missing the synopsis for the original game (muv-luv) and it's heavily concentrated on the character description. Also, some frases like "brain in a tube" such like to describe a character are not proper for wikipedia. Overall, please do not remove the "article cleanup" tag and contribute.

Thank you Minako-Chan* 22:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Needs to include Muv-Luv: Total Eclipse
The new game "Muv-Luv: Total Eclipse" has just been realised. If someone has information about it, please do include it into the article. thanks Minako-Chan* 15:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Too many images.
18 images (without fair use rationale at that) is far too many for this article. Effort needs to be made in lowering this number.--SeizureDog (talk) 06:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The Euro Front
Hi.

Hobby Japan have been including their own side-story, The Euro Front, for the Alternative timeline. As the name suggests, this one is set in the European theatre of war. It seems to go more for Senjutsuki derived from units in our universe such as the Rafale and Eurofighter, and has a different cast again to those in Total Eclipse and Alternative itself. Is there anyone who can speak with more authority on the subject that could add a section for this side-story? --Nerroth (talk) 21:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Which came first?
The intro paragraph currently says Muv-Luv is "a Japanese series of adventure games for the PC by âge. It was later adapted into fandiscs, comics, and novels", but the sidebar box shows the first manga as being in 2002 while the game was in 2003. Was the manga adapted from an unreleased game? Is the manga year wrong? Was the game adapted from the manga?

The article could use an initial section breaking down the media and history, instead of splitting that up all over the page. 24.16.57.110 (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Characters
Also moving this form the article until it gets cleaned up.

Main

 * Shirogane Takeru (白銀武)
 * Extra - The protagonist, a third-year Hakuryou Hiiragi student. Denser than diamond, he remains ignorant despite obvious hints of various things, and is outright shocked when revelations arrive.
 * Unlimited - The protagonist, who one day finds himself in a parallel world. He is taken from one week before the end of Extra (and by extension, choosing a route), he strives to live in this cruel, new world, and go home. Unlimited World's Takeru is already dead, killed by BETA.
 * Alternative - Through time-warping, he is the "same" Takeru from Unlimited, 2-3 years after Alternative V. He seeks to change the future with his experience, and through harsh and constant trauma/PTSD, becomes a hardened soldier, willing to spill blood and make hard decisions to save humanity. Is revealed to be a Causality Conductor, a pipe for causality information (events taking place in other worlds), causing untold chaos in other worlds, due to Sumika's meddling, from her loneliness. AN amalgamation of Takeru's he eveyr Takeru in one, with his memories erased after every death or failure (such as Alternative V succeeding). Through trauma or triggers, can occassionalyl see glimpses of memories from previous lives, lost in imaginary space. This version is completely in love with Sumika, as she in the first he sees in the Extra world (again) causing his memories and love from her route to resurface first.


 * Kagami Sumika (鑑純夏)
 * Extra: Takeru's childhood friend and classmate. They've been together for so long that he can't imagine what life would be like without her. Has adored Takeru since childhood, and has a diary full of nothing but Takeru, and considers Takeru's existence to be half of her. Surprisingly not yandere.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: Her status in Unlimited is unknown. Is revealed to be the brain inside the jar in Alternative and is cloned with an intensive hatred of the BETA to be Unit 00, the last hope for humanity, a non-carbon based life form capable of telepathy, in an attempt to communicate with the BETA. Very yandere, and spends most of her first appearances ranting about killing BETA as vengeance for Unlimited World's Takeru.


 * Mitsurugi Meiya (御剣冥夜)
 * Extra: A rich girl who showed up in Takeru's bed one day. Heir to the prestigious Mitsurugi Group and possesses endless resources and riches, fully prepared to use them for Takeru.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A cadet in unit 207, and later a pilot in squad A-01. Also a member of the shogunate's family, she is the twin sister of the Shogun, and her shadow, expected to take over should the Shogun die. Due to the Japanese belief of twins foreshadowing grief and misfortune, she was adopted by the Mitsurugi family, to split apart the twins.


 * Sakaki Chizuru (榊千鶴)
 * Extra: Class rep of Takeru's class. Constantly at loggerheads with Kei. Captain fo the (dwindling) Lacrosse Club and fond of optical illusions.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A cadet in unit 207, and later a pilot in squad A-01. Still at loggerheads with Kei. Joined the UN as a political hostage and an act of rebellion against her father, President of Japan, throwing away her draft exemption.


 * Ayamine Kei (彩峰慧)
 * Extra: One of Takeru's classmates. Very eccentric, she is mostly quiet and speaks with sentence fragments. Constantly at loggerheads with Chizuru.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A cadet in unit 207, and later a pilot in squad A-01. Still strange, and still constantly at loggerheads with Chizuru, she detests Chizuru's background and her attentiveness to planning. Prefers on the spot decision-making, due to her heavy bias against inept superiors and their orders, costing many lives and branding resistors (like her father) traitors.


 * Tamase Miki (珠瀬壬姫)
 * Extra: The class mascot. And Archery Team Ace. Has a lot of similarities to a cat and is nicknamed "Tama". Wears a cat's tial as cosplay for completion.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A cadet in unit 207, and later a pilot in squad A-01. Specializes in sniping. Worries over the actions of her father, the Undersecretary of the UN, and the role he plays int he coup. Also sent her father some letter filled with lies regarding her status and squadmates.


 * Yoroi Mikoto (鎧衣尊人)
 * Extra: One of Takeru's classmates, who plays Valgern-On with him quite often. Seemingly male, but is implied several times to be female. And (unwilling) adventurer, he gets lost or kidnapped (by his father) a lot, and is frequently stranded, left with nothnig but the wilderness to survive.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: Cadet in unit 207, is explicitly female int hi world. Specializes in outdoor survival, due to her uncanny luck and sense for traps and the wilderness. Is unaware of her father's activities as a spy in the Imperial Ministry.


 * Jinguuji Marimo (神宮司まりも)
 * Extra: English teacher of Takeru's class. Yuuko's best friend since their school days, and constantly forced into situations by Yuuko (like cosplaying). Has a very unfortunate dating history.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: Unit 207's instructor. Extremely caring for her pupils, due to her traumatic past, she gives her all toward teaching cadets to survive longer. Taught all of Squad A-01.


 * Kouzuki Yuuko (香月夕呼)
 * Extra: A physics teacher. Marimo's best friend since their school days, a genius who developed a quantum brain from and idea in PS2 RPG. Frivolous and carefree, she seems to control everyone, but values her best friend Marimo.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: Vice-commander of the Yokohama base. Working on mankind's last hope, Alternative IV. Cold, calculating and heartless, a perfect example of the cold genius, willing to stage BETA attacks and the death of Marimo, for the sake of results.

Support

 * Tsukuyomi Mana (月詠真那)
 * Extra: A shotacon ninja maid, servant to Meiya.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A first lieutenant in the imperial defense army. And Meiya's protector from the Honor Guards.


 * Kamiyo Tatsumi (神代巽)
 * Extra: A ninja maid trainee.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A second lieutenant in the imperial defense army.


 * Tomoe Yukino (巴雪乃)
 * Extra: A ninja maid trainee.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A second lieutenant in the imperial defense army.


 * Ebisu Minagi (戎美凪)
 * Extra: A ninja maid trainee.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: A second lieutenant in the imperial defense army.


 * Suzumiya Akane (涼宮茜)
 * Extra: From Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. A friend and rival of Chiduru's.
 * Alternative: A member of squad A-01.


 * Ichimonji Takahashi (一文字鷹嘴)
 * Extra: Meiya's chauffeur, who drives an extremely long limousine. Parody of Takahashi Ryousuke from Initial D.
 * Alternative: Captain of the destroyer Yuunagi.


 * Kashiwagi Haruko (柏木晴子)
 * Extra: One of Takeru's classmates.
 * Alternative: A member of squad A-01.


 * Sagiri Naoya (沙霧尚哉)
 * Extra: A doctor.
 * Alternative: A captain in the imperial defense army's capital defense forces.


 * Tamase Genjousai (珠瀬玄丞斎)
 * Extra: Miki's father.
 * Unlimited/Alternative: Under-secretary-general of the United Nations and Miki's father.

Main

 * 00 Unit/Kagami Sumika (00ユニット／鑑純夏) )
 * The 00 Unit, humanity's trump card in the battle against the BETA, a quasi-clone-thing of Sumika.


 * Isumi Michiru (伊隅みちる)
 * From Kimi ga Ita Kisetsu. Captain of squad A-01.


 * Hayase Mitsuki (速瀬水月)
 * From Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. A member of squad A-01.


 * Suzumiya Haruka (涼宮遙)
 * From Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. A member of squad A-01.


 * Munakata Misae (宗像美冴)
 * A member of squad A-01.


 * Kazama Touko (風間梼子)
 * A member of squad A-01.

Support

 * Koubuin Yuuhi (煌武院悠陽)
 * The shogun.


 * Yoroi Sakon (鎧衣左近)
 * Section chief of the second division of the imperial information agency, and Mikoto's father.


 * Alfred Walken (アルフレッド・ウォーケン)
 * A major in the American army.


 * Irma Thesleff (イルマ・テスレフ)
 * A second lieutenant in the American army. Originally from Finland, which was destroyed by the BETA.


 * Homura Manami (穂村愛美)
 * From Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. An orderly in the Yokohama base.

Main

 * Yoroi Mikoto (鎧衣美琴)
 * A cadet in unit 207, and later a pilot in squad A-01. Definitely female.


 * Yashiro Kasumi (社霞)
 * A mysterious girl who can be found in a certain room on floor B-19 of the Yokohama base which has a brain in a cylinder. Has something to do with Alternative IV.

Support

 * Paul Radhabinod (パウル・ラダビノッド)
 * Commander of the Yokohama base.


 * Kyoudzuka Shidzue (京塚志津江)
 * A woman who works in the Yokohama base cafeteria.


 * Elena Piatif (イリーナ・ピアティフ)
 * A Yokohama base communications officer, and Kouduki's secretary. Rank is first lieutenant.

Total Eclipse

 * Yuuya Bridges (ユウヤ・ブリッジス)
 * The protagonist of Total Eclipse. A Japanese American. From the American army.


 * Takamura Yui (篁唯依)
 * Japanese. From the imperial Japanese army.


 * Cryska Barchenowa (クリスカ・ビャーチェノワ)
 * Russian test pilot. From the Soviet army.


 * Inia Sestina (イーニァ・ジェスチナ)
 * Russian test pilot. From the Soviet army.


 * Tarisa Manandal (タリサ・マナンダル)
 * Gurkha from the Nepalese army.


 * Vincent Lowell (ヴィンセント・ローウェル)
 * American mechanic.

The Euro Front

 * Ilfriede von Feulner (イルフリーデ・フォイルナー)
 * The protagonist of The Euro Front. A German. From the West German army


 * Helgarose von Falkenmayer (ヘルガローゼ・ファルケンマイヤー)
 * German pilot. From the West German army.


 * Lunateresia von Wizleben (ルナテレジア・ヴィッツレーベン)
 * German pilot. From the West German army.


 * Wilfried Eichberger (ヴィルフリート・アイヒベルガー)
 * German Pilot. Major from the West German army. Nicknamed "Schwarzer Königswolf" (Black King Wolf).


 * Sieglinde Fahrenhorst (ジークリンデ・ファーレンホルスト)
 * German pilot. Lieutenant from the West German army. Nicknamed "Weißwolf" (White Wolf).


 * Bernadette le Tigre de la Rivière (ベルナデット・ル・ティグレ・ド・ラ・リヴィエール)
 * French pilot. From the French army.

—Farix (t &#124; c) 02:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Article cleanup
I've tried to reformat the sections, but there is a lot of extraneous information here and not enough information about the media franchise itself. I'm going to work on consolidating the games and manga sub-sections while filling out the novel and anime sections. I'll probably be splitting out some things out into sub articles, like the mess that calls itself a character section, and try to determine what is trivia and what isn't. Unfortunately, this entire article is unsourced at the moment, making that difficult. —Farix (t &#124; c) 19:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I've concluded most of the cleanup of the article. Most of what I removed was either excessive details or flat out original research. I've also added references to the game, manga, and novel releases and reorganize the article so that things are not just randomly thrown around. I still need to expand on the Novels and Gameplay sections as well as the lead. I also need to find information about the Xbox 360 re-releases and and it to the release history section. The article has came a long way since this version and I hope that the assessment rating improves to a C-class as a result. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:41, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Dumping a couple of links here for the Xbox 360 version. —Farix (t &#124; c) 02:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * http://5pb.jp/games/muvluv/muvluv/
 * http://5pb.jp/games/muvluv/alternative/

Hooray for Wikipedia policies resulting in less informative articles. --85.78.115.142 (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Less informative? The only stuff that was removed was the unverifiable content and the character section, which needs a complete rewrite as it is badly formatted and isn't informative at all. —Farix (t &#124; c) 23:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This one format is terrible. 99.234.228.140 (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * In what way is it "terrible"? The article is structured similarly to similar articles about visual novel: Air, Clannad, Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two., Kanon, Kud Wafter, Little Busters!, Moon., One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e, Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru, Planetarian: Chiisana Hoshi no Yume, Popotan, Shuffle!, Steins;Gate, and Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life. There are still plenty of parts missing and far from being classified as a Good Article like the ones I've mentioned, but it's much better than what it was before. —Farix (t &#124; c) 23:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * At least finish putting the characters in the article. No one with a passing moment is gonna look in here.99.234.228.140 (talk) 06:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The character section needs a serious overhaul before it gets added back into the article, if at all. But the character section is not as important as a well written plot summary. If the summary is written well enough, then there should be no need for a character section. —Farix

(t &#124; c) 12:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC) Why don't you follow the Jap Muvluv wiki format? The characters and other stuff deleted was based off there, and the unsourced data is because the articles are from the various Fan Books released by AGE during comiket or from the supplement material. There are over 40 fan books out there for ML by now.(158.117.22.33 (talk) 08:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC))

Related media

 * Many characters from Muv-Luv make appearances in other games by âge. Several Muv-Luv characters appear in Akane Maniax, a Kimi ga Nozomu Eien spinoff and Muv-Luv's prequel. Sumika makes an appearance in the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien ～special FanDisk～ short story "True Lies", in which she is the leader of the shokkaku-jinrui, known as the Red Führer. And finally, several Muv-Luv characters appear in the web anime Ayumayu Gekijou, and the fourth episode is little more than a parody of Muv-Luv Alternative.

I've moved the above from the article for the time being. At this point, it seems rather trivial unless some reliable sources can be cited regarding their significances. —Farix (t &#124; c) 02:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Very belated comment: It is next to impossible to find sources for VNs, since they aren't exactly things displayed to the general public on TV, and reputable sites don't dump plot spoilers everywhere. So, that's a tall order.  &theta;v&xi;r     mag&xi;   contribs 05:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Total Eclipse anime
Could you add episode summaries of Total Eclipse not to mention its list of characters appearing generally in the ML franchise ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MisaoFan (talk • contribs) 21:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Japanese only?
By not mentioning other language releases, the article suggests that the game is available only in Japanese. Is this indeed the case? If so, we should probably state this directly ("the game has only been released in the Japanese language version"). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:43, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Working on Updates
Currently working on a number of updates to this page in anticipation of the English release. Apologies in advance for any errors. I'm unfamiliar with some of the side stories, so I'll have a blind spot there. Dexomega (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge back character lists
Somehow the character lists was split out to three different articles:


 * List of Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse characters
 * List of Muv-Luv characters
 * List of Schwarzesmarken characters

This makes no sense. The individual titles do not even have separate articles, so why would a character list get special treatment? The size and number of main characters does not warrant the split either. They are not independently notable by secondary sources. That some of them are crossed with other company titles such as Rumbling Hearts or Akane Maniax doesn't guarantee notability. So they need to go back to the main article. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with your proposal, if you don't get a response within x amount of days I would go with WP:SILENCE. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This wouldn't be the case for all character lists, but I have yet to see if your merge would be contested on this one. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Are there a lot of crossover between Muv-Luv and it's spinoffs other than being set in the same universe? If not, then I would recommend against any merger, though I would suggest that List of Muv-Luv characters simply be made a redirect as it doesn't actually add anything. Note that I moved the original character list form the article to the talk page because in needed serious cleanup, and that list is no better. We may even want to look at spinning out Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken into their own articles while this article focuses on the original game and its media adaptions. —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:47, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Of those three articles there are only two sources present which makes the bulk WP:OR. The problem is that there is no way to confirm that the info isn't from a fans point of view. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:00, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed—merge or redirect the lot, especially if no one has new secondary & reliable sources czar  17:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I would consider making List of Muv-Luv characters the target for the merge if there is to be a split. At this point I think that at least Total Eclipse can be split off as suggested by Farix (see the refideas boilerplate above (oldid link)). Regards. – Allen4names (contributions) 05:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * WP articles follow the source material. If there isn't significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) on the characters as a separate entity, they will belong as sections in their main corresponding articles, whichever they are Eye close font awesome.svg czar  08:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, I have looked into it and I have three suggestions. 1: Move Merge List of Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse characters to Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse and edit it using the references now in the refideas boilerplate above. 2: Delete List of Muv-Luv characters unless some reference or other content can be merged into the main article (I don't see any) as I don't see any point in leaving a redirect without it. 3: Move the Schwarzesmarken list to be an article or merge it into Total Eclipse as they are related. – Allen4names (contributions) 15:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As of July 2017, the current handling of character lists is atrocious. About half of this article - the main article for the entire franchise - is a character list for Total Eclipse, a spinoff of minor importance. If separate articles for the spinoff character lists doesn't make sense, merging only one into the main article (and one that's not the original VN itself) makes even less sense. Right now, this article would confuse the hell out of anyone looking to it for a basic understanding of the Muv-Luv franchise, largely because of this distraction. Strongly suggest the TE character list be deleted. Invalidname (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Split "Muv-Luv" into "Schwarzesmarken"
As Schwarzesmarken follows a different story with other characters, I think Schwarzesmarken should get an article separated from other Muv-Luv media. There are articles for this series in Japanese, Chinese, and German, all of them with references. Daikage (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Schwarzesmarken certainly does deserve a separate page, but given this page includes information about a ton of Muv-Luv spinoffs and related media, it doesn't seem to have so much information about it that any would elude the scope of this article. Feel free to make a separate article about it, however. Nuke (talk) 02:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Article Cleanup
I've taken it upon myself to clean up the spelling errors and a bunch of other errors within this article.

If anyone wants to help, feel free to.

CyberiumShadow (talk) 06:00, 24 April 2018 (UTC)