Talk:My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected

Genre Classification
I haven't read the light novels, but if it is still an "ongoing" light novel series it would be unfair to rule out "romantic comedy". Since everything may or may not culminate into a romantic relationship between the main characters further down the series. As for the "Romance" genre, that word seems a bit strong on its own. Especially for the content of the series and taking into account that it does have comedy aspects. In all fairness, I say it should be listed as a Romantic Comedy. Another thing to note is that the series dives into the psychological and social aspects of Japanese teenagers, i.e. the protocols observed by Hachiman such as the ability of teens forming social groups as a means of protection and sense of worth. Or Yukinoshita's ideal of not caring what others think of her in contrast to what most teens do, that is, they act in a socially acceptable manner in order to assimilate, to name just a few. Therefore again, some type of social, psychological genre may be appropriate here-if there is such a thing. Thoughts anyone? ー KirtZJ Talk 08:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia definition of romantic comedy: Romantic comedy films are films with light-hearted, humorous plotlines, centered on romantic ideals such as that true love is able to surmount most obstacles...
 * Romantic comedy isn't ruled out, but I think it shouldn't be considered as definite too until the ending is out. Probably shouldn't put romantic comedy until the ending is confirmed, I would rather not mislead people into thinking that this is a romantic comedy only to remove it when it's not. Some sort of psychological genre sounds fine. Freezingfield (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * SPOILER ALERT Episode 5- So after watching, episode 5, towards the end, I got the impression that Yui has feelings for Hachiman although Hachiman rejects her kindness to him, out of fear that he might misinterpret her feelings for him and allow himself to fall for her and hence be rejected if it turns out he was in fact misinterpreting her feelings. If you take that into consideration, as well as their past interactions with each other we have the makings of a Romantic Comedy no? Of course, this is just my interpretation. ー KirtZJ Talk 10:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Official Title
This really needs to get sorted out ASAP. This article as well as those linked to it apparently has an edit war over the titles. It shouldn't be due to who believes what, but rather what is appropriate. The titles are as follows: Note that the North American Sentai Filmworks Company officially uses the title "My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU!" as shown here. ー KirtZJ Talk 04:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My youth romantic comedy is wrong as I expected.
 * Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. (Japanese)
 * やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている. (Japanese)
 * My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU! (English)
 * What has been the trend and rule on this?
 * Manual of Style/Anime- and manga-related articles states Use the most commonly known English titles for article names. If it is translated, this is usually the official English translation. If there are multiple official titles, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world.
 * "My youth romantic comedy is wrong as I expected." is the official English title of the anime, while "My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU!" is the official title under the American license. We need to determine which one is "best known". Freezingfield (talk) 06:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The best known title would be Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru instead of My youth romantic comedy is wrong as I expected and My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU would be completely wrong in this situation since it is even less known and is hardly an accurate translation of the title, its best to either revert it back to Yahari or keep as it is.122.108.117.169 (talk) 09:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * English titles. News sites seems to use the official American translation. Freezingfield (talk) 10:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * From what I seen fansubbers and other anime news sites use Yahari and not snafu so I think it would make more sense to keep it as Yahari because it is the real title and not the localized one which is inaccurate to begin with which will certainly confuse people.122.108.117.169 (talk) 11:23, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll change it to "My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU!" since it is the officially licensed title by Sentai Filmworks. In this case as stated by the Manual of Style/Anime- and manga-related articles -"If it is translated, this is usually the official English translation." Which is appropriate in this case. Also since whichever title a user searches on Wikipedia, if they are mentioned within the articles, they will show up in the search results. It also looks neater since the title is capitalized where appropriate and isn't unnecessarily long. ー KirtZJ Talk 02:10, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If it was the official english title then wouldn't it appear in the raws of the anime episode? oh wait it doesn't and it clearly says in english from the episode the title is "My youth romantic comedy is wrong as I expected" instead of some made up gibberish, to prove my point is screen shots from the episodes itself which clearly states the anime isn't called this snafu gibbrish.122.108.117.169 (talk) 03:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see what the point you are trying to make is. Nobody is arguing that "My youth romantic comedy is wrong as expected." isn't one of the official English titles or that it isn't official.
 * Furthermore, as you can see in the link provided by KirtZJ, "My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU!" is the title under which the show was licensed. ー HigherFive Ｔ Ｃ 04:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

We'll leave it as "Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru." since this also complies with the Manual of Style/Anime- and manga-related articles as stated "If there are multiple official titles, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world." I hope everyone can agree. With that note I hope this discussion can be closed. KirtZJ Talk 06:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume the manual of style means that if there is an English title, don't use romaji. I think it should be one of the English titles. Freezingfield (talk) 09:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that too, but as you can see from the history on this article, a user by the name of "Littledoggy26" felt the need to revert the title time every time it was changed, without reason or contributing to this discussion, so to avert an edit war (which that user had a history of doing) I complied. (Note that that user blanked their talk page which was riddled with warning messages after I threatened to report them) I agree and still feel an English title is appropriate on the English Wikipedia. I would assume that there should be an English title, in the case that one or more exists (and thus choose an appropriate one from them) and that there should be a Romanji title in the case where an English Title is lacked. What was done prior by using "My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU!" was in keeping with the aforementioned. ー KirtZJ Talk 10:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I propose to change the title back to "My Teen Romantic Comedy ~ SNAFU!" since if an official English title is available it should be used. It really doesn't matter if few people think acronyms such as "SNAFU" are obsolete, the fact of the matter is that the licensing company felt the need to use it, and as such Wikipedia will follow those official standards. Look for example at Attack on Titan, a show which was licensed by Funimation and is using the English Title instead of the Romanji, "Shingeki no Kyojin". Fancruft is rejected. Romanji will only be used where an Officially Licensed English Translation isn't present. Thoughts Anyone? ー KirtZJ Talk 02:14, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Due to past examples of how such issues are handled. If we can reach a consensus here on which title to use, you can refer the user to this page whenever he reverts it, and we have a legitimate reason to report such user for vandalism if he repeats such actions. Freezingfield (talk) 06:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This should have been a simple matter. How did it turn into this long discussion? Use the Crunchyroll one. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 09:09, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Requested move
Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru → My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU – Anime articles convention to use the American licensed name. See talk page. Freezingfield (talk) 10:09, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support this move. The point of this discussion User:DragonZero is to provide a clear explanation to fans of this series why the name "My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU" is appropriate. The reason being mentioned numerous times, (nicely summed up by User:Freezingfield above) but fans fail to understand this, even if it is within Wikipedia Policy. Trying to avert an irrational edit war as well, although, once the name change goes through, any further name change other than "My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU" should be treated as vandalism. ー KirtZJ Talk 10:34, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support This has been a long-standing convention in anime/manga articles to use the licensed title wherever possible because it is the official English title that a given series is more likely going to be known by for English-readers, and by reliable sources referring to a series.--  十  八  10:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support If the title has been licensed in english under an english name we have to go with that per our naming conventions. I have not seen a-lot of titles changed into American names but when they do we have to follow suit. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 11:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Obvious enough. --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 11:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. The tilde should also be removed too as it's a stylization. Crunchyroll supports this title. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

For dub watchers I find it important to mention of the situation where some voice actors had to record at home so the audio is not particularly good as it should be LongCruiser (talk) 21:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Trim character list
Please trim the character lists to just the people highlighted in the official light novel, anime, and manga websites.
 * http://gagaga-lululu.jp/gagaga/oregairu/ (light novel character list) shows just ten people.
 * http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/oregairu/ (anime staff/cast) shows 12 people.

Everyone else should be considered episodic or minor characters. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Characters description here are superficial and resemble those taken out of the official descriptions typed by average employee only watching the clock to get out of work. Thus I'll make some change.

Some terms are misused, especially "corrupted" in reference to Hachiman. Strictly speaking he is corrupted as being discriminated made him unsocial, but the term "corruption" normally implies much worse connotations. In this context it is disrespectful to Hachiman who in fact is a symbol to all those who have been in his shoes. Equally important, most of his negative views are right, yet he manages to forgive and be willing to help others.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Avantel (talk • contribs) 01:04, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Translation of Japanese title
Apparently, I've encountered the assertion that "My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected" is the correct translation of the Japanese title. Though this is a subtitle of the original, this title does not make any actual sense. How can a romantic comedy be "wrong"? "Wrong" in English can only have two meanings: morally wrong, or incorrect (for true/false statements). It makes no sense to suppose that it is either of these two. Also, how is "as I Expected" supposed to make sense either? This is not the kind of thing one usually makes "expectations" about. Therefore, while the original subtitle can be provided, whoever made that original translation was one who was definitely not good at English and it would be better to provide a more accurate translation of the original title.--Tosiaki! (talk) 16:18, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't decide what goes in the title sentence. All official titles where available are listed. Not personal interpretations. —Kirt Message 16:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A translation is not a personal interpretation. We do provide translations for Japanese words and ideas all over Wikipedia. The existence of a subtitle supposedly giving an English does not mean that it is necessarily supposed to be a translation. Even if an official translation is given, it should be fine to give a more accurate translation if the official one is not accurate, as per WP:TRANSCRIPTION.--Tosiaki! (talk) 17:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * An official title or common name always supercedes a faithful translation (of a title) on Wikipedia. As stated on the novel covers themselves, "My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected" [sic] is the English that Watari chose to call his novels in Japan. The Japanese isn't that far off as if by an absolute mistranslation anyway.  —Kirt Message 20:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have received feedback from a certain user that if it a translation is not high quality, a better translation may be offered by a Wikipedian. It is not true that an "official title/common name" supercedes a faithful translation, but rather, a translation from a reliable source (reliable in the sense of giving reliable translations) supercedes a translation from a Wikipedian. This has been the case at All your base are belong to us, for example.--Tosiaki! (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Im with Kirt here, reliable sources such as Anime News Network, and Amazon are calling it "My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected". The translation might be wrong but that is something to take up with the companies/websites that are translating the title wrong. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The question here is not reliable in the sense of providing information about the product, but providing information on the meaning/translation of the Japanese sentence. Anime News Network and Amazon are not the translators here, but simply took the translation from the cover, which was made by whoever unreliably translated the original title. So in this context, Anime News Network and Amazon cannot be thought of as sources for the translation for the title.--Tosiaki! (talk) 15:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The point is those sources that are talking about the product are using that title, if they were using a better translated name for the product we would be using that. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * We are not dealing with the translation of a sentence but a title of a work. We cannot, under any circumstances, change titles, even if you personally believe the title is nonsensical. This work has two English titles, My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected and My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU. The former is used inside Japan and the later outside of Japan. To change the title would be a violation of Wikipeida's three cornerstone policies: verifiability, no original research, and natural point of view. —Farix (t &#124; c) 17:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not talking about English titles, but the translation of a Japanese title. This is not a change of the title, but a providing of a translation of that Japanese title. The two English titles, My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected and My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU, are English titles, and cannot be thought of as translations of the Japanese title. In fact, given how it is provided under the Japanese, it should be thought of more as a subtitle, not a translation of any kind. As stated in WP:TRANSCRIPTION, a translation is not considered original research for the lack of a reliable source on the translation. See All your base are belong to us for an example of where a translated title is provided in absence of a source providing a reliable translation. I am not talking about replacing My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected with anything, simply providing an actual translation alongside the official English subtitle. I think people are misunderstanding here and thinking that I am talking about getting rid of that official subtitle. No, that is not what I am talking about―rather, I am simply adding a note about what the Japanese actually means so that people can understand it.--Tosiaki! (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We are not dealing with a transcript, but the title of a series, apples to potatos. All your base are belong to us translates dialog from a very nonsensical form of English. But we are dealing with a title where an English title is provided by the original author—though not perfect, is still understandable. We don't up and change it because someone doesn't think it is perfect. —Farix (t &#124; c) 22:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Can we place that as a subtitle then, as with Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? using "Familia Myth", and just leave it at that? The subtitle is not consistently used across all the media (the manga and the anime have different main titles and no subtitles), just on the light novel. This can also be revisited if the light novels and manga get an English publication. Similar cases for long titled light novels are at WataMote and Haganai. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment To be honest, My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected [sic] is good English from both a grammatical and an artistic sense. Therefore, this particular translation isn't extremely poor so as to require a secondary translation based on the interpretation of one user. The point is, the present translation was deemed good enough by multiple third parties including Anime News Network, Amazon.com, Right Stuf Inc. as well as Sentai Filmworks and Madman Entertainment both whom have press releases using My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as I Expected. —Kirt Message 19:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Do those third parties usually retranslate any titles if one provided does not seem good enough? Or do they simply always used the provided one in all cases?--Tosiaki! (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * At the time of the licensing announcement, they use whatever title they got, and change to a more formal English title later when they are close to releasing their version. You might see discrepancies among English distributors from Southeast Asia vs. North America such as with Case Closed and Cat Planet Cuties. They do that a lot for anime/manga episode titles too; initially going with Crunchyroll's translation until they formalize their own. With Funimation doing "broadcast dubs", the new titles come very soon after the subs. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If so, then this "more formal English title" would definitely be My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU and the "use whatever title they got" part would be My Youth Romantic Comedy Was Wrong as Expected. If what you write is true, then the fact that those sources use them is not a reflection of them considering it a good translation, but rather simply that it was the only thing they were able to go by―which is why I would think that adding a note to the side saying "(lit. 'As I Thought, My Youth Romantic Comedy Was a Mistake')" would be a helpful in explaining the meaning of the original title.--Tosiaki! (talk) 00:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We might be getting a little side tracked here. Even if the title was used on an availability basis, who says it is a bad translation in the first place? Absolutely none of the aforementioned sources thought so as they have to keep true to what the author provides. As Farix and I hinted at, the English is understandable enough for people to get the point. No where else have I found a literal translation for this work. If those exist, they probably wouldn't meet RS standards. —Kirt Message 01:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Those sources used "My youth romantic comedy is Wrong AS I EXPECTED" because this apparently shows up in the anime. Using the title is not a statement that that it was a good translation of the Japanese title, since it's simply a title and titles are usually used as is. Though no sources mention how well this fits as a translation of the Japanese title (probably because it isn't something such articles usually mention), none of them state that the English title is, in fact, a translation of the Japanese one (sometimes English subtitles are used without regards to whether or not it's a translation or saying something else entirely). As mentioned earlier, providing translations is not considered original research (and one website, mydramalist, did provide a literal translation of "As I Expected, The Love Comedy Of My Youth Is Mistaken," different from that English subtitle.)--Tosiaki! (talk) 13:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * mydramalist consists of user generated content and is not a reliable source. How do we know that you didn't just add that translation onto that page? But that is besides the point. The English title provided by the Japanese author on the front cover of every book is understandable and there is absolutely no reason to provide a different translation. You really need to get it through your head that we are dealing with an English title of a work, not a passage of text, not a section of dialog, but a FREAKING ENGLISH TITLE. —Farix (t &#124; c) 17:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait, if that's the proposed literal translation, that's just a rearrangement of what's already been translated? Just with Love Comedy = Romantic Comedy, and Wrong = Mistaken? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:32, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll be frank. As I Expected, The Love Comedy Of My Youth Is Mistaken. is just atrocious to look at because of the choice of words and arrangement. Its bound to confuse people more. I probably won't be replying anymore as this has dragged on a bit and I don't want to keep repeating my arguments. —Kirt Message 19:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and moved the English phrase to the subtitle in the lead sentence. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

With the announcement at Anime Expo by Yen Press to license the light novels/manga: My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong as I Expected AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:42, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The title does actually quite make sense for everyone that took the time to watch the anime. The main character often complains on how the real life love comedy-like situations never behave as movie/manga romances and they always end leaving him with no romantic bond. "Wrong" assumes the meaning of "incorrect", not because of someone's error but rather since the expectations born from romantic literature are delusional. You can't use "mistaken" to translate this kind of concept, while "wrong" with its broader meaning feels a better fit. Alves Stargazer (talk) 08:14, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested move
Yen Press publishes the light novel series under the title "My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected". Yeah, it is right that Sentai Filmworks released the anime under the title "My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU". But main subject of the article is the light novel series, not the anime series. I request move: My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU → My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected-- White DemΩn   (el psy congroo)  19:36, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have been bold and performed the move. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for updating this now that there's an official English title for the light novels. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:59, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, G S Palmer!-- White DemΩn   (el psy congroo)  09:57, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Reviews
Light novel:
 * FEATURE: Found in Translation - What Makes the "My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU" Novel So Relatable? - Crunchyroll
 * My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected Novel 1 - Anime News Network

Manga:
 * My Youth Romantic Comedy is Wrong as I Expected Vol. #01 Manga Review - The Fandom Post

Anime:
 * My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Episodes 1-13 Streaming - Anime News Network
 * Shelf Life - Captain SNAFU - Anime News Network
 * Growing Up Is Hard To Do: My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU - Anime News Network
 * My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Complete Collection Anime DVD Review - The Fandom Post
 * My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Complete Collection Blu-ray Anime Review - The Fandom Post

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