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Local Government in Myanmar
Can it be made a bit more clear what the system of local government is in Myanmar? The article speaks of the administrative divisions: states/regions, districts, and then townships. After that, it gets murking. Does Myanmar have municipalities/municipal corporations that have some autonomy? If so, what are the administrative level of municipalities in both smaller and then larger (metropolitan) cities? For instance, is there a City/Municipality of Yangon? From what I can gather, a place like Yangon actually incorporates four administrative districts, so I guess there must be municipalities, but what at the lower level? What administrative level are smaller cities? Anyone have a chart or can explain this? I imagine in most cases a municipality incorporates parts of districts which they are subordinate to/beneath, and even smaller ones may be subordinate to/beneath the township level, even. --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you can find reliable sources that speaks of municipalities I'd say go add it yourself, Wikipedia is free to be edited by anyone and if you feel that something is missing just add it yourself. ;-) --Cookie Nguyen (talk) 23:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The point in me asking is that I can't find anything. I was hoping someone familiar with the country my know.  You can be sure if I found something I'd have made the change. --Criticalthinker (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Presidential system?
Myanmar is not a typical presidential system, like the United States, where president is independent from legislature. In Myanmar, the president is held accountable to the latter, unlike in a presidential system, because he/she is elected by the legislature and cabinet is responsible to it. So, it is a parliamentary system, by other words, mixed presidential-parliamentary system. --B.Lameira (talk) 20:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * According to 232 i. of the constitution you're incorrect https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Myanmar_2008?lang=en - LionsRule125 (talk) 05:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You are wrong, the President is elected by an electoral college, which is composed by members of parliament and regional delegates, as it is mentioned on article 60. This makes the method of selection of the president similar to countries like Suriname or South Africa. Presidential systems require the President to be popularly elected, which is not the case. In parliamentary systems like that of Myanmar, by turn, the executive, in this case— the president —is selected much like a prime minister in other parliamentary systems, which can be subject or not to parliamentary confidence (mixed system). And you shouldn't have changed the classification without consensus. --B.Lameira (talk) 01:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the president is elected in a similar way to a prime minister in other parliamentary system, but both the president according to article 63 and the cabinet according to article 232 i, is not responsible to the legislature at all - LionsRule125 (talk) 11:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That does not make the regime presidential according to scholars. President needs to be popularly elected (either direct election or indirectly – i.e. electoral college, like those of USA and also formerly used in France and Finland). And the Presidential Electoral College is nothing of the sort. --81.84.177.179 (talk) 06:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Read also President of Myanmar. --81.84.177.179 (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * When I tell you 1 thing you forget the other, According to 232 i. of the constitution. The constitution states that Ministers cannot be a member of the legislature. In a Parliamentary system the Ministers are from the legislature - LionsRule125 (talk) 09:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I already told you that you should not make your own interpretations of primary sources, because they undermine verifiability. There are other parliamentary republics where the president is elected by the legislature and cabinet members are not part of the legislature. The classification should be made upon dependencies, and not by membership of the ministers. Look at Austria and Iceland, for example. While their presidents are powerful on their written constitutions, convention is that of a parliamentary republic and function like they were in law, as the President does not interfere at all in government affairs. In neither of these two countries ministers are members of parliament, and both of which have direct election for president. --B.Lameira (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Opinion
Anyone else think that "In the landmark 2015 election, Aung San Suu Kyi's party won a majority in both houses, starting the country on a path to true democracy." (Emphasis mine_ is opinion and not encyclopaedic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auto98uk (talk • contribs) 20:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Nope. "True democracy" can be defined as a government by the governed or the representatives of their choosing. Burma/Myanmar appears to be moving towards this with the advent of the National League for Democracy's time in power; however, their military still retains 25% of seats in Parliament, control over key ministries, etc. These are all facts and not opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burmaji1 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


 * It's uncited anyway so I've removed it. --regentspark (comment) 20:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Name changed
Wow, so soon, unbelievable... Alright, I'll update my info... From now on, I'll called the country Myanmar. Correcting the Mistakes on my schoolwork at home........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--Hongqilim (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC) Concerning!!!!!! Name Change !!!!!!!
 * The name change concerns recent history and today the WP:COMMONNAME is "Myanmar" but if it refers to the country prior to the junta you must use "Burma" it's really dependent on the context, think Upper Volta -> Burkina Faso. --Cookie Nguyen (talk) 23:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes.Actually the whole country is called Myanmar(ျမန္​မာ)from the very beginning.Burma(ဗမာ) is actually just like an ethnicity.Similar to things like Mon(မြန္​),Shan(ရွမ္​း) etc. Editor Mr.Ninja (talk) 13:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Apparently the name of the university has changed, as well. See Computer University, Mawlamyaing. Softtest123 (talk) 00:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Insisting that Burma calls itself Myanmar is like Germany insisting the rest of the world calls it Deutschland. So ridiculous, and of course nothing less than one would expect from the PC Wikipedia. Does it take its cue from the BBC or the Guardian?

"... related to Tibetan and Chinese language..."
Can a Wikipedia editor finally put an end to this constant mangling of English usage? We don't say "related to Tibetan and Chinese language", but "related to Tibetan and Chinese", or else (but this is nowadays very formal) "related to the Tibetan and Chinese languages". Wikipedia is full of such un-English phrasing, and it keeps getting copied from article to article. As a native speaker of English, I'm getting very tired of it!80.60.103.23 (talk) 22:16, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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The Greek word is Βιρμανία, not Birmania
It is wrong to delete the word Βιρμανία and leave only Birmania when referring to the Greek language because Greek uses the Greek alphabet and not the Latin alphabet. The word Βιρμανία transliterates as Birmania but it is wrong to say that "Greek uses Birmania". It would be correct, however, to say that "Greek uses a word which transliterates as Birmania" or "Greek uses a word which comes from the word Burma rather than Myanmar". Absinthia Stacy 19 (talk) 16:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Obviously, a sentence like It is known in Greek as Birmania doesn't imply that this is how the word is actually written in Greek. Specifying that this is a transliteration is unnecessary. – Uanfala (talk) 16:28, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove that again. Every name in another language transliterates into English and that's what we use in articles. We can't possibly fill up the article with the name for Burma in every script. Not only would that be excessive, it would also be meaningless to our English language readers. Of course, if you feel there is a special reason for the Greek version, feel free to explain why and get consensus on this page. --regentspark (comment) 18:54, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Lead section
Hi Mr Regents Park, I've checked some country articles, and mostly does not list minor ethnic groups in infobox. We can find elsewhere in article sections. And in this article, minor ethnic groups are added time to time without references, without adjusting percentage. You may re-add after re-calculating the percent using some sources. Criticism in lead section should include current problems of minor ethnic groups, not highlighting only one problem, while genocide and/or ethnic cleansing currently occurred in Kachin and Shan State, death toll significantly more than northern Arakan State. Thank you. Laurence Watcher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurence Watcher (talk • contribs) 17:48, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

This sentence was added (probably) during Thein Sein's government when the military said they will step down from politics. But as of 2017, after military-backed ruling party's decisive defeat in 2015 election, it did not happen. Military still take 25% stake in Parliament and control key ministries. Thank you. Laurence Watcher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurence Watcher (talk • contribs) 02:55, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/23616-tatmadaw-chief-defends-military-s-political-role-at-eu-meet.html
 * https://www.irrawaddy.com/opinion/commentary/in-eu-meeting-min-aung-hlaing-defends-armys-political-role.html
 * http://in.reuters.com/article/myanmar-military-army-transition-idINKCN0WT05J

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Move to Burma
I propose to change Myanmar into Burma across Wikipedia because the name change from Burma to Myanmar took place by the military dictatorship and is not recognised by many citizens, organizations, and countries. The name Myanmar is highly controversial and not neutral, it is a name the military dictatorship prefers because it suits their ideology and propaganda. Dissidents and others who are not victims of the government's propaganda use Burma and I believe it is the name a free community like Wikipedia should support. Please change Myanmar to Burma. Thank you all. Burma Dissident (talk) 22:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Calling it Burma because you don't like the government is also not neutral. Wikipedia refers to countries by the name most commonly understood in the English language. References to this country as Myanmar have increased over time to either equal or surpass usages of "Burma", and consequently Wikipedia chose to use the former name.-- OsirisV (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you not aware that the "military dictatorship" no longer exists? How can you even still use this argument now, in 2017, a year after the NLD took power? Everyking (talk) 00:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also "Myanmar" is the most commonly used name in English-speaking/-writing sources/references today, though many would still write "Myanmar, the country formerly known as Burma" in articles exclusively referring to the country as "Myanmar" is now commonplace, the name change happened because it's c the de facto accepted name in English, for this same reason nobody ever uses the terms the "Republic of China" for "Taiwan", or "Ireland" for the Republic of Ireland, it's about what readers without any prior knowledge of the subject can find the most easily. Donald Trung (talk) 15:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually people do use "Ireland" to refer to the "Republic of Ireland", and not even just Irish people. The reason the wiki article for "Ireland" does not go to the ROI article is not because of common usage but instead due to it being a controversial issue, one which has been debated the crap out of both on an off of Wiki. Very few people call the country the "Republic of Ireland" except in a sporting sense, but even then, the Olympic team is "Ireland". When the press refers to the Republic, they mainly use "Ireland" except when it related to Northern Ireland. if you search for "ireland bailout" on Google, you will get 525,000 results, whereas "'republic of ireland' bailout" will leave you with 118,000. Most of the top sites in the latter are UK-based, but even for the former, the Telegraph, the Guardian and the Financial Times (each very reliable sources) all refer to Ireland as simply "Ireland". By this case also, Ireland is more common than "Éire", which is what Ireland prefer the international community referred to the country as, to the dismay of the British (I've heard the term being used on Channel 5 news in the UK at least once). As by this being argued, the case is much more strong for Burma over Myanmar. The average man in the street will be clueless to what "Myanmar" even if they like to follow current affairs. UaMaol (talk) 22:50, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Quite right! Burma insisting the rest of the world calls it Myanmar is like Germany insisting the rest of the world calls it 'Deutschland'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.48.80 (talk) 19:38, 5 November 2017 (UTC) or China insisting on Zhongguo, or Mongolia on Mongoluls or Finland on Suomi.

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2017
Change Budddhist to Buddhist in the picture caption in the Health subsection underneath the Society section. This is a misspelling error. Ian Braudaway (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Map
The map of contemporary Burma is awful. At full size, it's unreadable, and it offers no information other than the relative locations of cities - I can see no international borders, I can't even see a coastline.

If you know of a better map (with an appropriate licence) please replace it. 81.2.68.136 (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2017
In spanish we use the word Birmania instead of Myanmar. More or less the same that in french and portuguese JUAN0706 (talk) 13:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's already in the article. See the Etymology section. --regentspark (comment) 13:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrative divisions of Myanmar
I asked this on the Administrative divisions of Myanmar page, but never got an answer. Generally, at which level of administration do municipalities (cities and towns) exist? It appears that they are on the same level as townships as it appears they are divided into wards, but I'm not sure and municipal (city/town) government is not mentioned anywhere on the page concerning administrative divisions. In the case that city/town government does existing in Myanmar, that would mean it'd be subordinate to a district and not a township, correct? Or are there different levels of cities? i.e. township-level cities, ward/village tract-level cities, village-level cities? Oh, and I do know that a place like Yangon is a special case as it appaears Yangon includes multiple township, which would make it a district-level city. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:49, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

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Myanmar was granted independence in 1948. The below sentence is only relevant to 2013. UN and other organisations never been reported till 2013. Its misleading and distort the facts. DaungOweWai 16:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

During this time, the United Nations and several other organisations have reported consistent and systematic human rights violations in the country.
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False statement about Greek
"Myanmar is known with a name deriving from Burma as opposed to Myanmar in Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and Greek" Nope. The Greek-language Wikipedia article names the country with a name based on "Myanmar". It gives a name based on "Burma" as an alternative, but is no different from the English-language Wikipedia in that respect. ( https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%BC%CE%AC%CF%81 ) 23:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.55.136 (talk) ETA: The statement is likewise incorrect/outdated with regard to Romanian ( https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar ). Can someone update the article please?23:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.55.136 (talk)

Genocide
Could this article mention that in 2018, the United Nations accused Myanmar of genocide against the Rohingya Muslim minority? Vorbee (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2018
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2404:160:8114:C1D3:593A:F799:9B50:B9B8 (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC) Per capita year and total
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019
Hello, the first sentence :

Myanmar (English pronunciation below; ), officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar and also known as Burma, is a country in Southeast Asia.

Should be changed to add a link to the page about southeast asia(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia) as follow :

Myanmar (English pronunciation below; ), officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar and also known as Burma, is a country in Southeast Asia. Kod4ma (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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Date error
British govern the whole county in the year 1885, not 1886. U Thaung Myint (talk) 17:11, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Characterization of Military Presence and influence
Per request for comment by RegentsPark I feel that my edit striking the latter portion of the first sentence of the "Military Rule..." section should stand:


 * "and the government has been under direct or indirect control by the military since then."

The continuing influence of the Military is undeniable, but the sentence is extraordinarily generalized, inappropriately placed in the structure of the article, and far better articulated in other sections where the information is more pertinent. The pervasiveness of the military is not omitted in any other part of the article, so this clause is unnecessary by redundancy, and the dynamics of military influence would be more appropriate to address at individualized points on the timeline, particularly given the interplay between the military and the governing bodies that evolved with time.

In addition, the sentence does not take a neutral tone. It is not factual, but instead takes a rather reductionist and somewhat accusatory viewpoint over military influence or directorial authority.

- Mkarma13 (Comment added 00:50, 14 November 2017 without normal signing and consequently was immune from automatic archiving until 23 April 2019 when I propose to manually archive this ancient unanswered thread. --BushelCandle (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC) )

Why does article not include the current ethnic cleansing?
How is it possible that this article virtually ignores the recent situation?
 * Because this is an encyclopedia and it's against the rules to simply make it some sort of a hot-headline/recent/current affairs site. --Loginnigol 14:01, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

But an army operation against alleged terrorists in Rakhine State since August 2017 has driven more than half a million Muslim Rohingyas to flee to neighbouring Bangladesh, in what the United Nations called a "textbook example of ethnic cleansing". This has damaged the new government's international reputation, and highlighted the continuing grip of the military in Myanmar. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-12990563 Peter K Burian (talk) 02:29, March 24 2018 (UTC)

UN officials point finger at Myanmar for 'crimes under international law' .... Human rights rapporteur says evidence about atrocities against Rohingya people must be collected and presented to international criminal court.

The Guardian (UK) 13 Mar 2018 05.39 GMT https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/un-officials-point-finger-at-myanmar-for-crimes-under-international-law Peter K Burian (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)


 * In reply to Loginnigol: This isn't the 18th Century, where updating an encyclopedia requires re-issuing 40 bound volumes. As Wikipedia is online it should be kept as up to date as possible. This includes referencing what has been an on-going ethnic cleansing and likely genocide which has been well documented by UN Special Procedures including a Fact-Finding Mission and now, a IIIM mechanism which has only ever been previously deployed for the horrors committed in Syria. As wikipedia is a source and point of first call for so many people, to not mention any of these widely corroborated developments and not have them front and centre in the introduction is disingenuous at best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.141.255.221 (talk) 12:39, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2019
136.228.173.23 (talk) 02:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2019
The lack of an educated workforce skilled in modern technology hinders Myanmar's economy, although recent reforms and developments carried out by the new government, in collaboration with foreign countries and organisations aim to make this a thing of the past.

This needs an extra comma. Please add one after "organisations" to balance out the comma that follows "government" 208.95.51.53 (talk) 12:49, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done aboideautalk 13:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Map under the 'Administrative divisions' sub-heading in the article should be shrunk down
In my opinion, the map under the 'Administrative divisions' sub-heading in the article should be shrunk down as it is affecting the alignment of the text under the sub-heading making the article look unprofessional in my opinion. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2020
136.228.174.48 (talk) 15:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC) Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a change.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2020
I want to update the national anthem of Myanmar. The current version described in this page is incomplete version. Many people doesn't know that that version is not the official version. I've already uploaded the audio file to Wikimedia Commons. Please use it. Thank you. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_Anthem_of_Myanmar.wav NyiShinn (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Your new file is currently being proposed for deletion, and you have not cited a reliable source that the recording is the complete national anthem. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 15:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2020
I request a modification about the names used in Spanish. “Birmania” is not (X:) the “local” name in Spanish, but (Y:) the name it has always been used before the country changed its name. Nowadays, people regularly uses Birmania, while Myanmar is used in official acts and on the news. 24.59.62.5 (talk) 15:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Any sources to support the assertion? Sources just like the entry for the usage of Birmanie in French will do fine. – robertsky (talk) 12:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Rohingya
Please can a subject expert review the recent removal of the Rohingya people and related references from this article and amend if necessary? Thanks, Certes (talk) 15:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've restored the deleted content and references. --RegentsPark (comment) 23:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Need to update the Government section
Under government section, please help - edit "Unitary parliamentary provisional government under a military junta" to "Committee Representing Pyihtaungsu Hluttaw (CRPH)" - Delete SAC-related leadership as the government of Myanmar Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-politics-idUSKBN2AO05E https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/myanmar-coup-crph-appoints-a-special-representative-and-a-special-envoy-to-un.html

SAC and coup leadership is considered invalid by civilians as evident by what's progressing in Myanmar at this moment. Please help edit the page so that it provides impartial information that reflects actual voice of Myanmar citizens. --Khinny1110 (talk) 07:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , please see Talk:Aung San Suu Kyi/FAQ, which answers your question. ― Tartan357  Talk 17:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

The Myanmar Army ordered the closure of wireless broadband services
Several sources in the telecommunications industry in Myanmar said on Thursday (April 1) that the Myanmar military leaders ordered Internet service providers to shut down wireless broadband services until further notice.

According to an email seen by Reuters, an Internet service provider instructed employees to stop wireless broadband services in the email but did not mention any reasons. The email also mentioned that mobile Internet services will continue to be shut down, and according to the law, the company must abide by the directive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alims1233 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

"Consensus"
"There is consensus that the former military regime in Myanmar (1962–2010) was one of the world's most repressive and abusive regimes."

I would certainly agree to this assessment of the regime, nonetheless I find the term "consensus" problematic. Unless you specify among whom this consensus exists, the sentence implies that this is a general consensus among everyone. I doubt that the members of the regime themselves and their supporters would agree to this assessment, so that alone disproves the claim. And there is simply no way to reference a general consensus by citing individual voices.

So please be more precise in your wording, preferably as supported by the sources. For instance: "The United Nations Commission on Human Rights considered the former military regime in Myanmar (1962–2010) to be one of the world's most repressive and abusive regimes." --2003:C0:8F15:0:C8A9:3987:43A1:FB5A (talk) 11:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Olympics in 2021
Olympic swimmer, Win Htet Oo, won't attend the Olympics in Tokyo, 2021, after being denied independent status from the International Olympic Committee due to the junta's overthrow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATg0vvI7_Cg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rauterkus (talk • contribs) 22:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2021
Change unknown etymology to for the meaning of Myanmar to mean, fast and strong. It is what that means in Burmese. There may also be mentions of the Chinese calling the Myanmar fast and strong horsemen please look into it. Kk9090 (talk) 14:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source--RegentsPark (comment) 15:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Importance to article
The coup and takeover of the government and country seems significant enough, affecting the entire country, so it would seem mention in the lead as important. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , it's already mentioned in the lead, though. ― Tartan357  Talk 16:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology
Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well. The UNESCO Science Report may be a good place to start and can copied from directly using these instructions.

Thanks John Cummings (talk) 14:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Etymology note / paragraph?
Is there any reason why the same text is given as Note A in the lead's first sentence, and then again as the last paragraph of the etymology section? It seems redundant, and would probably suffice as a note. — Arcaist (contr —talk)  11:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Between a note and relevant article text, article text seems preferable, although I note neither is sourced. CMD (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree; I normally prefer in-text to notes, but in this case I feel that would make an unsourced section even more prominent. I can't really find anything to back up the paragraph besides some circular references to John Wells' personal blog, and whatever post he had related to Myanmar doesn't seem available anymore. My suggestion is to delete the note, keep the in-text section, but shorten it to the parts we can source (such as the fact that the 'r' is not pronounced locally). — Arcaist (contr —talk)  17:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2021
I would just like to add some updates under the crime subsection - specifically related to opium and drug production as follows:

Opium production in Myanmar has historically been a major contributor to the country's gross domestic product (GDP). Myanmar is the world's second-largest producer of opium after Afghanistan, producing some 25% of the world's opium, and forms part of the Golden Triangle. The opium industry was a monopoly during colonial times and has since been illegally operated by corrupt officials in the Burmese military and rebel fighters, primarily as the basis for heroin manufacture. In recent times however, opium poppy cultivation in Myanmar has declined year-on-year since 2015. According to latest data from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), an estimated 405 metric tons (mt) of opium were produced in Myanmar in 2020, representing less than half of the estimate of 2013 (870 mt), while the area of opium poppy cultivation declined by 11% from 33,100 in 2019 to 29,500 hectares (ha). With that said, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has warned that opium production in Myanmar may rise again if the economic crunch brought on by COVID-19 and the country's February 1 military coup persists, with fallout for much of Asia.

Thanks! CzeslawSliwa32 (talk) 10:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, this appears to just be a copy paste of the first paragraph in Opium production in Myanmar. Opium is already mentioned in the crime subsection. CMD (talk) 12:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

"Undue weight"
Which issues are given "undue weight" in this article? Jarble (talk) 17:02, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Whole section is overly detailed.....so much so that it could be it's own article. Mass amount of criticisms and focus on social problems that it makes the article extremely undue. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 00:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Myanmar"
Template:Largest cities of Myanmar has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Spelling of first name of author Clodfelter
Hello fellow Wikipedians - Recently I made this edit to this article, correcting the first name of the author of the cited book Warfare and Armed Conflicts: A Statistical Reference to Casualty and Other Figures, 1500–2000 from Michael to Micheal. Shortly thereafter, my edit was undone. The spelling of Clodfelter's first name can be verified at the publisher's website, among other on-line sources. My preference would be for someone else to review this edit so as to not give the appearance of edit-warring.

Thanks to all for their contributions, and happy holidays. KConWiki (talk) 03:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was the one who reverted your edit, and it seems I was wrong to do so. I think I misread the name when I googled it to check (in my defence it was quite late, and I was tired) . I can change it back, or wait for someone else to do it. Thanks, INDT (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * That's no problem at all; I can do it myself if you like. Thanks for the response, and thanks for your overall contributions. KConWiki (talk) 04:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Government status should be (dispute)
Due to the existence of National Unity Government of Myanmar which established their rule in several parts of country, and many UN members are not recognized SAC's rules.
 * The National Unity Government has not been recognized by any country. ― Tartan357  Talk 01:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Homo erectus statement does not seem to be credibly sourced
The statement "Archaeological evidence shows that Homo erectus lived in the region now known as Myanmar as early as 750,000 years ago, with no more erectus finds after 75,000 years ago" cites a paper titled "Prehistory to Protohistory of Myanmar: A Perspective of Historical Geography" from source "[48]". This paper makes the claim that "Homo erectus had lived in Myanmar 750,000 years ago", but did not cite any sources. This means that, although that Wiki statement was cited, the cited source may not be credible and did not cite the source of their statement. Also, the "[48]" entry cited "Columbia Chronologies of Asian History and Culture." However, that article states that "It is agreed that early hominids (Homo erectus) were present in Myanmar as early as 400,000 B.C." Unfortunately, that article did not cite their source for that information too. Not only do the two cited sources conflict with each other on the dates (one article states 750,000 BC, and the other states 400,000 BC), both articles did not cite their source of stating those comments.

Therefore, that statement should be removed until credibly sourced facts are cited. Special:Contributions/Fixaloticus (talk) 11:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2022
President of Myanmar is Win Myint Sithupeter (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Win Myint was removed from office in the 2021 coup d'état. ― Tartan357  Talk 00:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2022 (2)
I do not know how to correct it. I just wanted to tell someone that the Burmese characters are not showing up. Just empty boxes. I think Burmese is in the Unicode font system, and there must be a way to code it to show properly to ALL browsers.

Here is a clip of the sentence where I see empty square boxes from "Burmese:" to "; pronounced"

All the other characters are showing properly in Chrome browser. Not sure what is broken on this page, but wanted to tell someone. Thank you.

"Myanmar,[a] officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar (Burmese: ပြည်ထောင်စု သမ္မတ မြန်မာနိုင်ငံတော်; pronounced " 2601:2C6:4600:F230:C81E:99C2:3F1D:C922 (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be an issue with your browser. I'm not seeing any issues with multiple browsers on multiple devices. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2022
Please delete the reference to Myanmar in the second sentence as the largest country in mainland Southeast Asia. Both Thailand and Vietnam are larger in terms of geographic size and population size.

The first sentence could just read: "Myanmar, officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar, also known as Burma, is a country in Southeast Asia with a population of about 54 million as of 2017." Openburma (talk) 11:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Are Thailand and Vietnam larger than Myanmar by area? The figures listed in the articles for the countries indicate that Myanmar is larger than both. Do you believe those figures are incorrect?  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 05:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Openburma is partly correct in that Vietnam and Thailand are more populous. But Myanmar is the largest by area and that's what our article says. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2023
I would like to add the following information to the Political Culture section of the Wikipedia page:

On February 1, 2021, military rule was seized again, returning the power to an authoritarian system and reversing the transition to democracy that Myanmar had seen since 2010. The country can be classified as either a closed autocracy or an electoral autocracy depending on the elections that the military is planning to hold in 2024. The military establishment plans to hold elections as a way to transition the country out of post-coup conflict and to consolidate their political dominance. However, the junta has enacted laws in preparation for these elections that restrict the voting power of the citizens. These laws include: requiring voting political parties to register at least 100,000 members within three months of registration and banning parties that are declared “terrorist,” by the military, which represents any of their opponents. Additionally, the military rule has extended to local levels. Officials in central-level departments and local administrations were replaced with bureaucrats appointed by the military. Additionally, officials of villages and wards, which were previously elected by citizens, are now chosen by military-appointed township councils.

The Freedom House rating for democracy scores Myanmar at 9/60 in 2022, with a score of 0/40 for political rights and 9/60 for civil liberties. This exhibits a decline from 2021, where Freedom House scored Myanmar at 13/40 for political rights and 15/60 for civil liberties. Vikkixu (talk) 01:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No citations to reliable, secondary sources have been provided to support this passage. Further, the passage is speculative to a degree. Please re-word and find reliable sources. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 01:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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