Talk:Myanmar civil war (2021–present)/Archive 3

List of map edits
In anticipation for May, and Thomas Van Linge (hopefully) posting an updated Myanmar map (One of the main sources for the map on this article), I've made a list of additions and changes for the map organised by importance! (added strikethroughs on edits added to map)

Indisputable edits:
 * Pekon contention by Karenni forces (confirmed a while ago but never added to the map) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/karenni-resistance-says-it-controls-most-of-pekon-in-myanmars-southern-shan.html
 * Moebye contention (Tatmadaw only controls the Moebye Dam) https://www.irrawaddy.com/in-person/interview/karenni-state-liberated-from-myanmar-junta-control-by-yearend-iec.html (Also, interestingly, the battle for Moebye has been ongoing since September 2023. Not too important I just think its interesting https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/battle-for-moebye/)
 * Mongpawn contention between SSPP/SSA, PNLA, and PNA https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/sspp-shan-armed-group-may-join-forces-pnla-fight-junta-southern-shan-state https://www.tni.org/en/article/crisis-in-the-pa-o-region
 * Hpakant encircled by KIA https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/kia-seizes-myanmar-junta-base-controlling-access-to-jade-hub-hpakant.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/kia-seizes-myanmar-juntas-final-hpakant-road.html
 * Sinbo captured by KIA (The Irrawaddy states that this capture cuts off Myitkyina to Bhamo, so that's good to note (depicted on Thomas V. Linge map too)) https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/kachin-independence-army-takes-control-of-sinbo-town-after-overrunning-myanmar-military-base/ https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/kia-seizes-myanmar-junta-hq-near-kachin-state-capital.html
 * Kawkareik abandoned by KNLA https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-suffering-heavy-losses-in-large-counteroffensive-to-retake-myawaddy-knu.html https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/resistance-fighters-affected-juntas-chemical-bombing-kawkareik
 * Myawaddy captured by joint Tatmadaw/KNA forces https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ethnic-karen-guerrillas-myanmar-leave-town-army-lost-109580386
 * Kawt Bein recaptured by junta from Mon forces https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-retakes-mon-village.html
 * Tatmadaw made it to the Taw Naw waterfall along the AH1 https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-reinforcements-heading-for-myawaddy-reach-dawna-mountains.html
 * MNDAA presence in Kutkai https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/tensions-flare-between-myanmar-ethnic-armed-groups-in-shan-state-town.html https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/tensions-increase-between-ethnic-armed-organisations-in-kutkai-northern-shan-state/
 * RCSS/SSA headquarters Loi Tai Leng shown as under control of junta on map
 * Hpruso named "Pekhon" on the map, which is wrong

Disputable edits: (Sources may have mistakes or additions unnotable/small in scope (labeled as sis))
 * Map found by @Borysk5 (thanks for finding btw!) https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1cTxsrLmndZrGxHGsz6Dl6rFN78Hacss&ll=20.51837580228517%2C97.1300182245997&z=6
 * Map showing bases in Karen State captured by KNLA and allies (sis) https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/new-report-shows-junta-is-losing-its-hold-over-southeastern-myanmar/
 * KNU de facto control over Three Pagodas Pass and Payathonzu https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/knu-consolidates-full-control-over-three-pagodas-pass-payathonzu-area-administration-spite
 * AA activity around the Thandwe-Taugup highway and Ngapali Beach (sis) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/aa-battles-myanmar-junta-forces-near-rakhine-tourist-hotspot.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/deputy-battalion-commander-captain-killed-near-myanmars-ngapali-beach-residents.html
 * MNLA-AMD activity around "Than Kalaung and Kaw Sa", Kyaikmayaw Township (sis) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/resistance-myanmar-junta-convoy-trapped-in-mon-state.html
 * Lack of SSPP/SSA contention over Mong Pan (original reports mistranslated "Mong Pawn" as "Mong Pan" I think) (See "Location of SSPP captured junta base" for more details) https://www.tni.org/en/article/crisis-in-the-pa-o-region https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/sspp-shan-armed-group-may-join-forces-pnla-fight-junta-southern-shan-state
 * SSPP/SSA presence in Namsalat and Seiau Village Tracts, Hseni Township https://eng.mizzima.com/2024/03/30/8508
 * RCSS/SSA control over Homein and Monghtar subtownships https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/why-are-ppst-members-fighting-each-other-interview https://asiafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Ethnic-Armed-Actors-and-Justice-Provision-in-Myanmar_EN.pdf https://reliefweb.int/report/myanmar/shan-rebels-fight-govt-despite-peace-deal https://english.shannews.org/archives/24837 https://mmpeacemonitor.org/images/pdf/SSA-S-Government-16jan2012.pdf (See "Helpful source for locations of several Shan groups" for more details)
 * RCSS/SSA control over Loi Moong Merng, and Loi Lam https://www.bnionline.net/en/shan-herald-agency-for-news/item/11963-burma-army-fomenting-another-war-between-wa-shans.html (See "Helpful source for locations of several Shan groups" for more details)
 * PNLA control over Ka Du Gyi (sis) https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/why-are-ppst-members-fighting-each-other-interview https://www.tni.org/en/article/crisis-in-the-pa-o-region (See "Helpful source for locations of several Shan groups" for more details)
 * UNLFWSEA presence in the Somra Tracts and Yowpi, Layshi Township https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/why-civil-over-in-myanmar-may-see-spillover-insurgency-in-indias-north-east-13571442.html https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/indias-security-and-the-fencing-of-the-myanmar-border-13740601.html https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-somra-maoism-and-naga-peace-process-7600819.html (see "Finally found an actual location which India-based insurgents control" for more details)

Very Disputable Edits: (needs more research or has articles disputing it, but good to note) IdioticAnarchist (talk) 04:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * UNLFWSEA presence near Hoyat (Chen Hoyat), Patkai, and in the Hukwang Valley (precise locations unknown or situation has likely changed) (see "Finally found an actual location which India-based insurgents control" for more details) https://www.etvbharat.com/english/bharat/ne-insurgents-in-recoup-bid-under-china-myanmars-benign-gaze/na20220106200229525 https://www.firstpost.com/india/ulfa-in-disarray-after-myanmar-armys-crackdown-has-endgame-begun-for-the-separatist-outfit-6355401.html (includes map)
 * UNLF activity in "Thanan-Tonghe" area (situation has likely changed since posted) https://www.indiatodayne.in/international/story/myanmars-peoples-defence-force-busts-insurgent-group-hideouts-in-upper-sagaing-region-718189-2023-11-29
 * RCSS control over Loi Hsarm Hsip and Loi Gawwan (See "Helpful source for locations of several Shan groups" for more details)
 * RCSS presence near Ponpakyin (situation has likely changed) https://reliefweb.int/report/myanmar/shan-rebels-fight-govt-despite-peace-deal
 * Wa State Southern Area far smaller than what is shown on the map (sources are split around 50/50 on whether the large or small map of the WSSA is correct) https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/2019-07/pw_147-the_united_wa_state_army_and_burmas_peace_process.pdf https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/south-east-asia/myanmar/299-fire-and-ice-conflict-and-drugs-myanmars-shan-state
 * RCSS/SSA control near...where ever this is (I can't translate, low quality map, and situation has likely changed since posted (tempted not to include this considering the source, while helpful, has a sucky map)) https://mmpeacemonitor.org/311228/rcss-prepares-for-offensive-against-sspp-after-talks-with-the-military/


 * Great list. Added some stuff to the map from the Indisputable points. The other stuff is mostly pretty old and needs some deeper diving and/or fresh sources to clarify or confirm. Good job once again! MrBLOCKiron (talk) 16:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! And thanks for the edits! If you tell me which ones need better/newer sources I can look for them. I tried to organise them by how good their sources were. Also, not to nitpick, but why was RCSS/SSA control over Mong Htar/Loi Lam included while Homein/Loi Moong Merng not? IdioticAnarchist (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I added all the Indisputable and some other points.
 * Some of the other points i cant confirm however, here's the points & reasons: (feel free to object)
 * The Borysk5 found map is great for finding bases and such, however they cant be confirmed as the source is not really reliable. A lot of points are also just named Point number and i don't know what to do with that info.
 * For the Three Pagodas Pass, a recent article indicates that people draft dodging are being arrested there, presumably by junta forces. So if you can find something more recent to counter that would be appreciated. Here's the recent article.
 * About Homein, the sources are very old and i would take the safest bet here hand leave it unchanged. The Borysk5 map also still reports it as under Tatmadaw control.
 * uh the source for Loi Moong Merng is over 12 years old, i dont think its still accurate.
 * For the UNLFWSEA, i cant really add another side, i dont have the experince
 * The Very Disputable Edits, indeed does need some more research first. Keep up the great work! MrBLOCKiron (talk) 10:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Some very fair points. Thank you! Good map edits. I'll try to look through the other edits for some newer sources.
 * Addition: Specifically with the Three Pogodas Pass, I think the source you were meaning to link was this, considering it talks about draft-dodging and its recent. From my reading of the article, it seems as though draft-dodgers were arresting by Thai authorities, not Burmese. I could be wrong though. Also, other users editing the map have stated that the map more shows the "de facto" situation on ground. A good example was the Asian Highway 1 before Operation Aung Zeya. Junta forces did have troops stationed along the highway, but goods going through the highway had to pay the KNLA to pass, and the KNLA had fire control over basically the entire highway, so it was shown as KNLA control on the map. If that makes sense. The KNLA in practice control Payathonzu, despite junta soldiers still being stationed there. Of course, I could be wrong and the source I'm using is admittedly over half a year old, and situations in Myanmar can change rather quickly. One last thing, again, not to nitpick -beggars can't be choosers as they say- but the KNLA still controls most of the Dawna Hills. Operation Aung Zeya has only made it to the Taw Naw waterfall, around 1/3rd the way to Myawaddy. Another User, @EmeraldRange suggested that the Karen National Army (Karen Border Guard Force) be shown as a different colour, considering they are a separate entity from both the KNLA and the Tatmadaw and they are notable enough (to me at least) to be their own thing on the map. Of course, beggars can't be choosers and I don't know if you can add a new colour to the map, but it's a suggestion that I feel is notable enough to take into account. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 12:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * After finding a somewhat (2022) recent article, I concede on my research on both Homein and Monghta sub-townships. https://mizzima.com/article/shadows-shan-refugees-thailand
 * "It thus appeared to be a significant concession from the Burmese government in the RCSS/SSA’s Union-level ceasefire agreement in January 2012: “To allow RCSS/SSA headquarters in Homein sub-township and Mong Hta sub-township.” (Ho Mein/Mong was the former MTA HQ area, about 60 kilometres west of Mong Hta). However, this agreement was never honoured. The Burma Army never retreated from Mong Hta or Ho Mong, and RCSS/SSA was only allowed a small liaison office in Mong Hta."
 * I do believe, however, that the RCSS/SSA still control the rest of both townships. I don't have much evidence backing this up other than the ceasefire agreement that the Tatmadaw broke. I believe that the RCSS/SSA still control the their bases along the Thai border and the rest of Homein/Monghta sub-townships. Also, this is the only article I can find saying this, so this article may be wrong. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 18:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you and @IdioticAnarchist for your work on this! It's great to see. I'm personally swamped IRL with work and it's great to see other editors take over the file too. If you aren't sure how to add a new colour, I can do the KNA addition later this weekend!  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 21:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * While I'm not MrBLOCKiron, and I don't know whether they know how to add a new colour, I'm gonna suppose not. It would be greatly appreciated if you could add the KNA control over Myawaddy and Shwe Kokko when you can (also a few more map updates if you can, like Bhamo being cut off from Myitkyina by KIA, Karen control over the Dawna Range, lack of SSPP/SSA control over Mong Pan or Mong Pawn, and possibly the UNLFW presence in Somra (I kinda wanna see how my research holds up)). Of course, don't feel rushed to do it considering work is more important than editing a Wikipedia map. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm trying to get a handle on the KNA situation myself. There seems to be new things happening and frankly stepping away from following the news for a week makes the whole Myawaddy situation confusing to wrap my head around.
 * One question for you as someone who dug into it much more is what to label the Indian rebel groups as "Indian rebel groups" seem a unhelpful and WP:POV especially since many are separatists.  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I suppose you can just state that the groups are Valley-based insurgent groups (VBIGs), as I've seen them labeled in several articles (considering most Meitei-majority groups are active in the Imphal Valley). Or Indian Ethnic Armed Organisations (IEAOs). Or just as the United National Liberation Front of Western South East Asia (UNLFW) and allies, and do the footnote solution of including the list of allies in the footnote (considering CorCom and UNLFW tend to occupy the same bases).
 * On the KNA situation, from what I understand, the Tatmadaw occupy the 275 LIB base west of the city and jointly occupy the city with KNA, while the KNA control Shwe Kokko and jointly occupy Myawaddy with the Tatmadaw. I forget the source, so don't quote me on it, but only around 150 Tatmadaw soldiers are in the city and LIB base, while upwards of 7,000 KNA soldiers occupy Myawaddy and Shwe Kokko. Considering the size difference, I think Myawaddy could be shown as just KNA control, considering the KNA are definitely the main force in the city. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I'm leaning towards showing Myawaddy as joint Tat-KNA control just because they the KNA is allegedly/presumably giving junta access? But Shwekoko seems more properly KNA control. Althought I guess you can also show it as KNA being junta-alligned (for now)?  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 16:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also KK Park is under control of KNA, south of Myawaddy. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, small but important thing brought up by @Hjks7121, Hakha and Falam are switched up on the map. Hakha is east of Thantlang, not Falam. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 04:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's now fixed on the interactive map, but Hakha is still switched with Falam on the main map at the top of the page. Hjks7121 (talk) 19:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

How can I update the map?
I wish to update the map, in the image and in the other section when updates happen. I know for Example, multiple Chin towns have been captured and the situation is changed. How can I update it? UnJapóLliure (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I ain't too sure on how to update the map, but one of the editors of the map, @EmeraldRange, stated that "The actual editing usually requires using some vector software for this civil war map- I use Inkscape." IdioticAnarchist (talk) 13:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Map suggestion
I heard that Hsi Hseng, a town in Southern Shan State has been recaptured by SAC forces. They’re even preparing to rebuild that town.This news is from SAC owned channel which is kinda unreliable.

https://www.myanmaritv.com/news/coordination-meeting-matters-rehabilitation-works-hsi-hseng-discussed

The source that mentioned SAC recaptured of Hsi Hseng.

https://english.shannews.org/archives/27099

https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/myanmar-military-allies-retakes-town-captured-by-pa-o-karenni-forces/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjA0prvyLWGAxX0yjgGHTQnC9wQr4kDegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1bw-P4FvZDq3VEW7YlanJB

It’s okay, even if you don’t believe me since I am a new to here but at least Hsi Hseng should be on contesting list because recently(past months) SAC reinforced troops and tanks into Southern Shan State.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-reinforcements-spark-heavy-attacks.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjA0prvyLWGAxX0yjgGHTQnC9wQr4kDegQIXBAB&usg=AOvVaw1bVrt-jUR__gXq7mOH_U3N

https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/they-are-preparing-for-war-forced-recruiting-by-pa-o-militia-in-shan/

Thuta611 (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * source necessary  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 14:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I was adding it my hand accidentally touch the “post” buttom T-T. Thuta611 (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good- no worries man! Make sure you add to the actual article as well. For the maps though, we tend to update them every month roughly. I think depending on what happens in the next week it might be worth updating for this + Tedim and some changes.  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 20:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * These are some pretty good sources outside of the Myanmaritv and frontiermyanmar ones considering they only talk about Hsi Hseng Township, not the town itself. I do believe that Hsi Hseng should at least be shown as contested, considering the fighting is ongoing in, or at least near the town. I'm not sure whether the retreat of PNLA forces was temporary; but considering several sources still claim the town is under control of the PNLA I will treat it as such. Good suggestion! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 19:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Map edits (May)
Like April, here's a list of map edits for May (along with some nitpicks. I don't mean to be "that girl" and be like "um this tiny unnoticable area on the map is wrong" but I'm just trying to show issues that I see on the map the best I can) also sorry this is lesser quality than the last list, I'm tired.

Nitpicks: (suggestions) Indisputable Edits: Disputable Edits: Very Disputable Edits: (needs more research or has articles disputing it, but good to note) IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ann is not currently contested, as no fighting is currently occurring inside the town.
 * I question why the new map shows Tanintharyi (south of Dawei) as cut off from the rest of the region by Karen forces?
 * Maungdaw, from what I know, is not currently contested.
 * This source (https://cnimyanmar.com/index.php/english-edition/21852-battle-breaks-out-between-zra-and-cna-in-tedim) says nothing about ZRA activity in Tedim town, only ZRA activity along the "Myanmar-Mizoram trade route" and in Laithwee village.
 * Shwe Pyi Aye contested https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/myanmar-junta-battling-to-retake-town-near-india-border-from-civilian-govt.html
 * Neither Montauk or Mansi are entirely controlled by KIA, only "downtown residential" areas have been captured, but junta forces remain in both towns.
 * Dawthponeyan, Hsinbo and Sumprabum towns have all been captured by KIA (Sinbo has cut off the Myitkina-Bhamo highway and encircled junta forces in Bhamo township, as shown on Thomas Van Linge's map) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmars-military-is-being-cornered-in-kachin-state-ethnic-army-says.html
 * Nam Byu captured by KIA.https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/another-military-base-falls-to-kia-led-forces-in-myanmars-north/
 * Myawaddy is not controlled by the junta, it is controlled by the Karen National Army (as is Shwe Kokko and KK Park) https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/bgf-militia-controls-myawaddy-resumes-military-cooperation-junta
 * SSPP/SSA is NOT fighting the junta in either Mongpawn or Mongpan. https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/sspp-not-entering-civil-war-fray-saber-rattling-or-lost-translation
 * KIA control over Hpare https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/natural-resource-governance/fuelling-the-future-poisoning-the-present-myanmars-rare-earth-boom/
 * New Democratic Army - Kachin controls several areas of Chipwi Township, including Pangwa (Pang War), the border, and settlements close to Chipwe town, and Waingmaw Township (Kanpaikti) (Kachin State Special Region No. 1) https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/fuelling-future-poisoning-present-myanmars-rare-earth-boom https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/rare-earth-mining-expanding-in-myanmar-armys-kachin-special-region/ https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/natural-resource-governance/fuelling-the-future-poisoning-the-present-myanmars-rare-earth-boom/ https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/asia/kachin-state-inks-border-business-park-deal-china-myanmar-joint-venture.html
 * Entirety of Tonzang Township captured by Chin resistance https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/conflict-tonzang-township-destroys-over-40-homes
 * Southern Wa State, RCSS, and Burmese military control in Southern Shan State (see Amazing, relatively up-to-date source about the situation in Southern Shan State for more) https://www.burmalibrary.org/sites/burmalibrary.org/files/obl/5-23-2019-SSRC-SHRF-Press-release-Eng-report.pdf
 * Monghtar NOT controlled by RCSS https://mizzima.com/article/shadows-shan-refugees-thailand
 * UNLFWSEA presence in the Somra Tracts and Yowpi, Layshi Township https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/why-civil-over-in-myanmar-may-see-spillover-insurgency-in-indias-north-east-13571442.html https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/indias-security-and-the-fencing-of-the-myanmar-border-13740601.html https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-somra-maoism-and-naga-peace-process-7600819.html (see "Finally found an actual location which India-based insurgents control" for more details)
 * UNLFWSEA presence near Hoyat (Chen Hoyat), Patkai, and in the Hukwang Valley (precise locations unknown or situation has likely changed) (see "Finally found an actual location which India-based insurgents control" for more details) https://www.etvbharat.com/english/bharat/ne-insurgents-in-recoup-bid-under-china-myanmars-benign-gaze/na20220106200229525 https://www.firstpost.com/india/ulfa-in-disarray-after-myanmar-armys-crackdown-has-endgame-begun-for-the-separatist-outfit-6355401.html (includes map)


 * Thanks again! Added a lot to the map. The ones i cant add are:
 * Maungdaw is indeed contested, AA has entered the outskirts. https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/arakan-army-launches-battle-for-control-of-myanmars-border-with-bangladesh.html
 * I cant locate the Nam Byu base but its approximately 12 miles southwest of Danai, which is currently marked as KIA control anyways
 * About Myawaddy, in the article it says that the BGF militia controls the city and the BGF is allied with the junta.
 * Cant find where Monghtar is
 * Once again, cant add a new faction (UNLFWSEA ) MrBLOCKiron (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The map is looking great! Thanks for the edits!
 * Monghtar is also known as Mong Hta (as shown on the burmalibrary map)
 * With the Border Guard forces, I believe that they should be added to the map when they are notable enough. Both the KNA and NDA-K act independently of the junta, and do control territory. They act somewhat similar to the Pa'O National Army on the map, considering junta forces are still widely stationed in the Pa'O Self-Administered Zone and fight alongside the PNA, yet it is still shown as PNA control. Another editor stated that the map shows the de facto situation, not the de jure. De jure the junta controls Myawaddy, de facto there's only around 200 junta soldiers stationed in Myawaddy, while over 1,000 KNA soldiers are.
 * Not meaning to nitpick, again, but Shwe Kokko is still shown as controlled by KNLA, not KNA. Also, Mong Pan is still shown as contested when it isn't.
 * Anyway, yet again, thanks for the edits! I'm happy to help! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added the new factions! Finally after I said I'd do it like over a month ago lol. I decided to add the disputable edits insofar as including Chen Hoyat since it was close to the other UNLFWESEA controlled areas anyways.  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 01:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks amazing! Don't worry about the long wait time, I get that people have lives outside of editing Wikipedia. Now we're onto 21 colours on the map lol! Anyway, like I said, it looks great, and thanks for the edits! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh hey, totally missed the Mong pan comment- updated that too + moved the SSPP presence to Mong Pawn based on the prior discussion.  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 03:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, if enough changes in the next week or so for it to be notable enough to add that Kyaikdon captured https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-military-commanders-replaced-in-rakhine-mon-and-karen-states-sources.html, Tedim and Hsi Hseng contested, and I don't think the situation with the SSPP has changed at all (i.e its old borders are needed) considering SSPP has not declared war on or fought the junta any time in the past few months, so the borders have not changed since the pre-17 March map, if that makes sense. SSPP/SSA has no territory near Mongpan or Mongpawn. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 20:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

The map colors for “Arakan Army” and “Indian Insurgent Groups” need to be differentiated
They look so similar that they’re almost the same color; I can’t tell which parts of the map are controlled by which entity. LordOfWalruses (talk) 20:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)