Talk:Myra Hindley

IQ
"Hindley had an IQ of 107, not much above average, and failed her eleven-plus exam."

Is it really worth mentioning her IQ here? It wouldn't be expected for most articles.

It's also above the 'average' IQ number, so I don't see the point in saying that it's 'not much above average' other than to demean the subject. Most people share this IQ score. It also seems to suggest that she failed the exam due to her average IQ score.

Just comes off as condescending but I'm not sure what to do with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.148.177 (talk • contribs), 14:03 UTC, 29 July 2008, added by: --81.62.53.249 (talk) 16:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll just remove it for someone to fix —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.157.61 (talk) 01:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Faked death
There seems to be quite a concensus which suggests she's still very much alive and well and living incognito possibly in Australia or Canada.due to her serving the maximum sentence she could have served aswell as it being impossible for her to be publically released without a huge furore.im sure the is a lot more to this than meets the eye.


 * No chance. You'd have to have a considerable conspiracy reaching up to Home Secretary level, with complete and utter political ruin being the result for both person and their political party if it ever came out. Lovingboth (talk) 17:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I put a section up about her faked death, but within a couple of hours some yobo deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.137.91 (talk) 04:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Handprints
Would just like to comment upon the trivia section that states the hindley/handprint artwork got seriously vandalised, to the point where a perspex screen was erected and armed guards were stationed to protect it. I can believe that the public were offended by and tried to deface the painting, but... Pardon me if i am wrong but the only people authorised to carry arms are either the army or the police. I don't believe that either of those 2 groups felt it necessary to defend a painting that seems to commemorate Myra Hindley and the Moors murders. I am not a daily mail reader who becomes morally outraged by any reference to crime, I just think that this report cannot be factually accurate.


 * Errr... the perspex screen was to prevent paint being thrown on it. Arniep 17:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I understand the purpose of the perspex screen. What I doubt is that this painting had an armed guard. Most regional airports don't have armed police, never mind art galleries.

Cheshirec: I have removed the word 'unfortunately' from the article, re: Her death just prior to a Law Lord's ruling that would have almost certainly led to her release. I think whether it's unfortunate she died before she was let out or not really is a matter of opinion, and doesn't belong in the article.

Hotlorp: with all respect, just because you don't care how those kid's handprints were made doesn't mean it doesn't belong in the article. I think it's quite important to have it in there, because the artist has come in for enough stick over that painting as it is without also giving the impression that he actually got kids to stand before a canvas and make this picture of a child-murderer themselves. --Camembert

Ok, I agree, even though I originally wrote it! Hope you don't mind the removal of the (surely irrelevant) "acrylic". Hotlorp


 * Sorry if I sounded a bit brusque there - I'm rather tired and irritable at the moment :)   Yep, I agree that "acrylic" is surplus to requirements. --Camembert

If the black and white picture is so central to the public image of the case, could someone find it and download it? It must be public domain. Ortolan88 04:40 Nov 19, 2002 (UTC)
 * It's very easy to find this picture just go to google select the images tab and a dozen or so results will come back. But is it in the public domain?

If the police released the picture and it has become canonical, I'm sure it must be PD, but I haven't ever moved an image and don't plan to start. BTW, I didn't remove the link to Moors Murders, I moved it. Now there are two links. Ortolan88

I believe this page should be sectionalized and I think a new category should be called known as Female Serial Killers as they are obviously rarer than male serial killers. We divide singers into Male and Female why not Serial Killers? --Redwolf24 05:22, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did she really use a pick-up truck. This type of vehicle is still pretty rare in the UK and I believe that they were even more so in the 1960's. Could it have been a van (i.e. an enclosed vehicle rather than with an open load bed? Eorake 18:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe it was a Mini Traveller, a type of enlongated Mini in common use at the time. Gino Pearce 13:15, 5th January 2006

'''Armed guards ?? ''' this appears to have been added by a contributor called 'Penguin2006'. I do not believe it either. The WP article on the exhibition uses the phrase ' guarded by security men ' 82.38.97.206 17:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)mikeL

Goo album cover
The comment about the Goo album cover in the Trivia section contradicts the Goo article. I don't know enough about the case or Sonic Youth to resolve this discrepancy. Can someone please reconcile this? &mdash; Zaui (talk) 17:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The album cover does not depict Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. The Goo article is correct in referencing that it featured David and Maureen Smith. I think the editor on this page got confused because Myra Hindley was Maureen Smith's sister. Recommending that this section is removed. -- Ian Abbott, 20:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Trivia?
Please don't take this as an example of knee-jerk moral outrage, but can we have another title for this section? It strikes me as rather inappropriate.

Also, the article states that David Smith was visiting at the time when Edward Evans was murdered. The "See No Evil" drama-documentary has Hindley going to Smith's house and taking him back to Brady and Hindley's house, where Brady had already brought Evans - Smith was to come in and threaten to beat up the victim, ostensibly to force him to give them money - if this is actually the case, then this sentence needs re-wording. Camillus (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Longford

 * "A small group of supporters, led by the former Labour peer Frank Pakenham, 7th Earl of Longford . . . ."

To what does the adjective "former" apply? &mdash;Tamfang 03:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that someone meant to say the late Labour Peer as in, he has passed away. I'll look at the main text and edit if needed.Lisapollison 05:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just had a look and that text has been edited right out and the current version of the article has appropriate reference to him simply as Lord Longford. I'll look at the Moors Murders article as well.Lisapollison 05:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
Couldn't find any sources except the second one (I think). This was the only one that I could find, but thought it would be stupid to even have the section at all, thus I have removed it. Please feel free to add in the quotes, but please add in your sources. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 18:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Catagories
Why is she in the catogoy or LGBT people from Britain? Nothing of her article suggest she was any of the above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarletswitchblade (talk • contribs)


 * She had a lesbian relationship in prison. However was she a killer/serial killer/child killer/murdress? Rich Farmbrough, 22:36 2  October 2006 (GMT).
 * SHe was found guilty of 2 murdrs, therefore I have removed "serial killer". Rich Farmbrough, 22:47 2 October 2006 (GMT).

Murder weapon - Keith Bennett
According to Peter Topping's book, in Myra's confession, she mentions Brady burning a piece of white string which had been used in the murder of Keith Bennett.

Not ironic
The word 'ironically' is used twice in this article, and it doesn't make sense in either context.

It's not mere pedantry to point this out. The use of the word is an attempt to give a sort of tabloid sensationalism to the account ('ironically' she had been a babysitter), or a neat roundedness as if it were fiction ('ironically' the law was changed after her death). That kind of artifice is not necessary. It adds nothing. If anything, it detracts from the unvarnished and horribly banal evil under consideration, by suggesting that there's some kind of structural sense to it. There isn't.

On top of which, the use of the word in these contexts makes it pretty clear that the writer doesn't really know what 'ironic' means. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.158.201.159 (talk) 12:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Location of ashes
Following her cremation, the Sun had a front page story to say they'd been scattered in the moors area, above one of the lakes, complete with photos and enough detail to give a reasonable chance of finding the location. I can believe that this was a fake story, but has anyone admitted as much? If not, perhaps the 'unknown location' in the article needs to be changed. Lovingboth (talk) 17:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Best way to link to my thesis on Moors Murders and Myra Hindley
I submitted a Thesis for the degree of Master of Letters in a UK University in 1995 which I have since made suitable for publication as a book (making formatting changes and such) at lulu.com.

I keep adding it as a link to the Moors Murders article and it keeps being removed. One person objected on the grounds that it was vanity published, and claims it cannot be an academic thesis since it not published by an academic publisher. It doesn't matter whether it was published by an academic press - it's a valid source of further information for interested parties. No-one forces us to follow up on wiki links.

I spent many many years researching the Moors Murders case and 3 actually working full-time on the thesis, so it is a reliable source of factual information about the case. I believe that it will be of interest to people reading the Moors Murders wiki and would like them to know that it exists. I see no reason why it cannot be included as an external link, with text explaining that it's a thesis, or under the heading of "further Reading". I couldn't even link to it if it were free, so the fact that it can cost money to buy a copy is irrelevant. It would cost you a lot more to make a copy of the original in the University library.

How can I add a link to my thesis to the wiki without it being removed, within seconds if certain people are online.

I tried, following the policy guidelines, adding a link to a free copy of the thesis in addition to the lulu one, but Danieltiger45 took exception to that, and referred to it as "advertising-like text" which it clearly is not.--Ariane5 (talk) 15:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Minor point.
The article states that her father was a "a paratrooper in the RAF during World War II". As far as I am aware the RAF does not have, and has never had paratroopers. Obviously aircrew are/were given parachute training in case they needed to abandon a stricken aircraft, but the Paratroop regiment is an Army regiment, and not part of the RAF. As I said it's a minor point. 82.13.143.58 (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Chester Assizes
The article as I found it referred to Hindley being convicted at "Chester Crown Court" (sic). Crown Courts were only created by the Courts Act 1972. The Crown Court took over the jurisdiction of the old Assizes and Quarter Sessions. A crime of this seriousness was heard before the Assize Court. May well be a minor detail.80.42.238.208 (talk) 00:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Changed ratings to C
I've changed the ratings on this article to C, which if anything is generous. For an article of this length to have only 4 references and a long list of "further reading" is ridiculous. How can any of the information that isn't cited be verifiable? A 'B' rated article is one that has no major problems and is almost ready for GAR - this one is nowhere near. Richerman (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

for clarification
i've only given minor edits to a few articles, but in this case, when i am reading about two persons incarcerated and the cause of death is given only to one of them (unless they both died of heart attacks in the year 2002) i think that some clarification of this fact, possibly in the sense of posting when, where, and how each of them died should be included in the right hand sidebar. Your thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.77.170 (talk) 07:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The article is about Myra Hindley so her cause of death is given - Ian Brady is still alive. Richerman (talk) 12:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)