Talk:Mysore/Archive 1

Mysore Division
Explanation or citation required regarding the use of the Term Mysore Division, or Mysore district alone should be there. So I have tagged the same. --IndiWorld 18:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Business and Economy
Clean up needed in this section, also classification of industries has to be done clearly, right now all mixed up with mechanical, automible, software, services etc etc industries.....

temperature
How is this article...its pretty cool to add in...

Area 6269 sq. km.

Altitude 776 m above sea level.

Temperature Summer : Max 34ºC, Min 21ºC. Winter : Max 27ºC, Min 16ºC.

Rainfall 667.2 mm

http://www.delhitourism.com/mysore-tourism/index.html

Mujeerkhan 15.00, 19 June 2006 http://www.mysoreonline.co.in

http://www.mysoreonline.co.in

Mysore dasara
should be moved to another location as its a large volume of the article on "mysore" and should be resized to a smaller extent.The "attractions" and "other attractions" should be placed on bottom of the page.The media and transportation should be resized or removed from the page. Any objections...and if there is no objection i will be editing within a week time from now.

Mujeerkhan 14.00, 19 June 2006
 * No problem as long as you are doing it in a organized manner, and please get a decent picture of Tippu Sultan, Can some one get the one hung in the Tippu Chamber at Taj West End ? (If you are getting that, how about Hyder Ali, and most of Tippu's sons ?). The infobox was defined in the most early stages of this page. Talk to Nicholas about this before you do anything. --Pradeep 03:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way someone with a digital camera can help out in getting more pictures (streets, non-tourist locations) ?.
 * Also pending are, maps for the city (clean ones). --Pradeep 03:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Cool bro,this discussion form is creating a hot debate. As I stay in laskhar mohalla I see lots of muslim brethen buy,sell and read the newpapers that have been mentioned in "vernacular press". I myself have participated the urs of Tipu sultan and there is no doubt about it. I agree with nazia about a clean up of this page and i have started a research. Infobox:indian cities is trying to change the indian history, just like pakistan is doing by removing mahatma gandhi from their history books. Come lets work together, Jai hind.

Mohan

Dear Members,
 * Please read the talk page before shouting. I am aware that I am not an expert on all the roads and locations in the city. And I asked for a clarification regarding this ?. Regarding the article you have so prominently posted, Can you please read the last lines ?. Golan Gumbaz is in Srirangapatna, You clearly failed to mention that and that the rest of the events took place in Mysore. There maybe any number of cities which have a Tippu Hall etc. Care to read and research ?. Regarding Vernacular press, I haven't seen the papers you mention in circulation. Therefore, I felt that they may have a smaller circulation, I have added them to the vernacular press section. Regarding your assertion of adding the material to this page. You are welcome, first of all go through the history of this page and the history of Infobox:Indian Cities. Then go ahead and make these modifications. --Pradeep 13:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

And to the assertion that don't remove anything that does not belong to you ... this is wikipedia.


 * A few more Mysore city (non touristy) pictures are uploaded in commons. Pl. use the interesting/relevant ones that may add value to the article...(pl. see the following gallery) Pratheepps 07:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

VERNACULAR PRESS
Whats a vernacular press? Pasbaan and daily salaar are a vernacular press as are Mysore mitra and andolana. Vernacular simply means "local" langauge spoken by people in a place.The point is simple put pasbaan and daily salar under the newspaper section or edit the new of vernacular press by adding Mysore mitra and andolana.

Mohan

I totally agree with Mohan, mitra and andolana should be moved into vernacular section. As mitra and andolana are kannada newspapers as with regards to pasbaan and daily salaar and all these nespapers are vernacular

Mujeerkhan 15:25, 10 June 2006 AEST

TAGS
Who is Mr pradeep to add or remove tags from wiki?

If I am right,no one can remove anything from wiki until further announcement to other members on this page! this is just not right. To observe and witness the Tipu Sultan urs you should be present in mandi mohalla and asoka road.where you can observe this event and i cant imagine how mysoreans are unaware of this event. I am adding this source from a leading newspaper AND for pity's sake dont say its Propoganda and that Meena bazaar and Sawday road does not exist! Why have you targeted this area specifically and to my knowledge there are many additions in "Mysore page" without proper references.This is an appeal to all members on this page."Make Mysore beautiful" i.e dont take off anything that does not belong to you!

http://www.hindu.com/2005/01/11/stories/2005011106470300.htm

Naziakhannum 17:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Naziakhannum, your question of "Who is Mr.so and so to remove the tags from wiki" does not arise at all. See Who owns wikipedia. The only is condition is that NPOV is to be maintained. Anybody can edit wiki, though it is considered proper to discuss main changes on the talk page.-- Wikicheng 12:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Nazia that pradeep has no authority whatsover to remove or edit any article without consulting other users or members according to NPOV. I am a witness to freedom fighter Tipu Sultan urs which is held in mysore city and the sandal procession heads from mysore to srirangapatnam and that the article should be put back.

And Wikicheng as you have said "Anybody can edit wiki, though it is considered proper to discuss main changes on the talk page" so did anyone discuss this issue in this talk page before removing "tipu sultan urs" from the page.

Mujeerkhan 15:20, 10 June 2006 AEST

NEW
I have a fair understanding of NPOV, it also says articles from a page cannot be removed without proper members consent, can pradeep rewrite it for me.

I am going to add a few things from 2 weeks from now


 * 1) Culture
 * 2) education (more details)
 * 3) nearest airport
 * 4) temperature
 * 5) Mysore University
 * 6) demographics (more details)

I will edit get ideas from Bangalore, delhi, London pages..anyone wants to help me out in this huge task..I would really appreciate you guys...

Naziakhannum 6:30 A.M, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Nazia, I will help you in your task and by the way your points are worth considering in this page. I have noticed " vernacular press" in the page and its sounds stupidity. I agree what Mohan has said. Mujeerkhan 15.10, 10 June 2006 AEST An appeal
 * I have noticed that changes to the document are made without cause or concern. Some sections (Demographics) for instance are being modified without any conclusive references or proofs. Please refrain from adding elements which do not qualify. Also, please don't use numerals in a document about a city (Example: 10).
 * This document is a testament to the wonderful city of Mysore which I proudly can claim as home. I request you all to pay attention to the sections and documents that are being introduced. I am planning a overhaul of this page soon, under this I am proposing:


 * Move the noted people page to People of Mysore City.
 * This will allow for the inclusion of short bio's of the people and inclusion of various historical figures.

--Pradeep 03:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Create a seperate History of Mysore City page from elements of this page and this [|Reference]
 * Create a seperate Festivials and Events of Mysore page.

The person who added the The death anniversary of Tippu Sultan, please provide information about where this event exactly occured (I am suspecting Srirangapatna). I am removing this section for now. --Pradeep 03:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

People without usernames are vandalising this page and run away like cowards,they dont even know about the discussion page.i call these people cowards.--Jayanthv86 17:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I think we should split and clean up the page as in the bangalore page ?.

Major Layout changes introduced to clean up the page. Includes a new infobox india city --IMpbt 22:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

DVG
We have been having a discussion in the Kannada language Wiki] about why DVG has been included in personalities from Mysore.

DVG grew up in Kolar district, and spent most of his later life in Bangalore. The only years he spent in Mysore were when he was in high school. imho that is not enough to classify him as a personality from Mysore. He should be in a list of personalities from either Bangalore or Kolar (or both). I have removed his name from the list in this article. --ashwatha 22:00, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There is one problem with this as of now ... he is not linked anywhere else ... please update the blore and kolar pages to reflect the same --146.186.148.43 02:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Infobox
In the infobox I feel a lot of fields are redundant and should be omitted.
 * 1) Nearest airport
 * 2) Temperature
 * 3) official website
 * 4) Literacy
 * 5) Growth rate
 * Missing:
 * 1) vehicular licence plates
 * 2) Geographical cordinates

The page needs a cleanup, the parts of Mysore district should be added to a new article insead of this page. Nichalp 19:54, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Agree with the literacy, license plates. But nearest airport is important if some one is planning a trip, so is temperature. Official website, very important for more detailed/official info. growth rate for investments, size. No idea if geographical coordinates will help but for benifit of doubt, I agree --IMpbt 00:14, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * The nearest airport should be integrated under transport section and temperature under climate. Temperature is a dynamic field, and it would be better to omit. Official websites should come under the ==External links== title as per policy. Nichalp 19:09, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Since the changes will affect the Mangalore page too, I will put up the proposed changes in the talk page there, after a few days I will update the infobox, I am removing nearest airport, literacy and official website, temperature - (I am using a max possible and min possible quantity so not exactly dynamic) still think people would like to see that in the infobox. I am adding vehicular plate number. The growth rate comes attached (gov. census india publication) so am letting it remain.--IMpbt 00:28, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Mysore city corporation website claims that Mysore area is 128 sq kms. Any thoughts about this?

Buildings of Mysore
Hindu news article Reference

Featured
I would like to see this article featured. Anyone willing to work on it? It has great pictures. = Nichalp ( Talk )= 18:26, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Still working on it, but slow going, because am still busy with some personal work. If you want to work on it, I think I can share my todo list with you

--IMpbt 19:06, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ward map (each ward of the corporation).
 * Use the census map to get the mysore city/taluk map
 * Demographics (am not able to find the split percentages)
 * More photos
 * Get a city road map (use imagination :-)).
 * Temples of the palace
 * Clean up history to reflect the history of the city, not the whole kingdom.


 * I can make some maps for you if you can locate a few suitable online maps (copyrighted or non copyrighted ones are both fine). = Nichalp  ( Talk )= 05:45, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Here are some good maps:


 * Maps of India Mysore City Road Map, Similar map
 * District Map (City is part of the Mysore District)
 * I don't think my roadmaps will come put clean. All my previous maps have come out dirty. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  19:33, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

I've added the new infobox. I'll be making the mysore location map in a day or two. The coords are not accurate, I did not have the decimal equivalents to the minutes. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  July 3, 2005 13:41 (UTC)



Hi,

I think this map is unsuitable, because it shows PoK and CoK as part of Pakistan and China respectively. Maybe a map that uses the 'India colour' for the whole of J&K and uses a dotted line to depict the areas occupied by Pakistan and China would be better

SAS


 * This map is a WP:NPOV map. What your saying is a POV map which should not be used. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  12:07, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Mayor
Who is the mayor of Mysore? Certainly not the current person! =Nichalp  «Talk»=
 * Bharathi should lead to a disambig page, not the page it leads to now :-) (believe it or not I can't find the last name).

Noted people
I propose removing the Noted People section as this does not make much sense and is prone to favoritism/controverises. How much a person is famous is a relative thing and to be frank having stayed in Mysore for nearly 6 years, I hardly recognise some of the names mentioned there. It is an unnecessary list that is prone to grow in length and occupy page space. What do you guys say? -- User:Amarrg 11:35, Dec 7, 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Maybe before adding the names to the list, the contributor should discuss the proposed names here. We can possibly come to a consenses... - Wikicheng 12:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The names can be spun off into a new page. Until then, please read up on the history of these 'famous' people. Even after staying in mysore for two decades, I am surprised to see some names which make it to the list. But neither can I question that these people were great --Pradeep 15:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have removed Hyder Ali from the list, to keep it contemporary and to avoid adding all the Maharaja's of Mysore and few more historical figures.--Pradeep 15:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan (I would love to claim that they were linked to the city), worked mostly from Srirangapatnam, so please don't include them in people who worked in mysore page. --Pradeep 05:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Where's Snake Shyam's name in the list of 'famous' people of this city??!!!Any kid in the city recognise him (much more than the people listed ), if that's what is meant by being famous :)---Pratheepps 10:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added Snake Shyam, hope this is OK, as he is one of the most recognisable & famous persons of this city.Pratheepps 13:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ad-Hoc additions
Please don't make ad-hoc statements while editing the articles. Statements like it takes 3 hrs (I can confidently say, I have traveled in 2 hrs to mysore from bangalore). And Amplitude modulation is old, cannot be supported. Also please don't add external links directly into the article. All these can stand in the way of 'Mysore' becoming a FA. --Pradeep 15:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan (I would love to claim that they were linked to the city), worked mostly from Srirangapatnam, so please don't include them in people who worked in mysore page. --Pradeep 05:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Demographics of Mysore
Please carefully study the link i have provided about demographics of Karnataka before making ridiculous edits about Mysore having 40% Muslim population ( I have nothing against muslims by the way, just interested in good reasonable information). Please log in and provide your name so we can communicate directly by talk page, instead of vandalising this page with unsubstantiated edits. If you have proof, provide it or keep your peace. Dinesh Kannambadi

Hi, The Muslim population of mysore city is more than 2,00,000 so it makes sense that at least 25% population of mysore city is muslim. The northern and eastern parts of mysore are dominated by muslim.Suburbs like Mandi Mohalla, Laskar mohalla, Half of NR mohalla, half of bannimantap, JSS nagar, siddique nagar, rajiv nagar, Udaygiri, Kesere,Goshinagar, beedi colony,kalyangiri, bada makan,Shanti nagar, parts of urs naidu nagar have a considerable muslim population.Muslims also live in hindu dominated areas.

PLEASE TAKE STATISTICAL DATA OF MYSORE CITY AND NOT MYSORE DISTRICT! 1. out of 2,00,000 voters in NR constituency, muslims number about 70,000. http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/13/stories/2004041310060300.htm 2. Muslim population and registered voters in 1997 for the whole of mysore..men 65000 and women 70000 and the muslim population 250,000. http://www.islamicvoice.com/may.97/community.htm 3. out of a million mysoreans 20% are muslims http://www.islamicvoice.com/December2004/CommunityRound-Up/?PHPSESSID=c89b3b5c3220a51450f8090b7d3ba876 4. 25% to this report. http://www.geocities.com/adnan022/aa.html

My freind,you have muslim data from mysore district and not from mysore city.

my clarification for your parts. 1. Table 2: District -wise Break-up of Urdu Population in Karnataka....your source my freind.http://www.languageinindia.com/dec2002/urduinkarnataka.html 2. Even the total muslim population in your source is basically wrong. In your source(Table 4: District wise Break-up of Muslim/Urdu Population Ratio)says 52.3 lakhs and remember it says total "muslim population" and  "urdu population"  is 44.8 lacks.[ this is for karnataka state] 3.In my source, which is a reliable source i.e government census of india puts karnataka muslim population at 64 lakhs and from your source it says 52 lakhs. So there is a gap of nearly 12 lakhs from both of our sources. 4. YOUR SOURCE WAS PUT UP IN 2002 AND MINE IN 2001. so logically speaking muslim population should have increased...but unfortunely in your source it has decreased. 5. Mine is a reliable source than yours as it is a government website wheras yours was a visiting Prof from Cornell University and not a government website. 6. You should provide data only for mysore city and not mysore districts. as both terms are different.

I have proved that your only source is not reliable and can you prove my source is wrong.And muslim population in mysore is not 7% but more than 20%

Mujeer Ahmed Khan, Melbourne, Australia. Mujeerkhan@hotmail.com
 * I would like to clarify that the official government figures are what should be considered for the page. If you consider independent sources, there is no end to the number of independent sources any one can bring into the discussion. Since no figures exist for the city as such ... mentioning numbers is fraught with controversy. I will be removing the figures and references on the page in a week --Pradeep 12:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Did someone remove the NPOV tag ?. I think I am still going to remove it, since the figures are for the district not for the city.

Issue of Vandalism - Mysore demographics
I have been repeatedly removing some false material being added to Mysore demographics. I have tried to explain earlier that the total population of Mysore district is ~31 lacs, 2002, of which Muslim population is 2.3 lacs making it around 7.4%. Even if all the muslims in mysore district lived in Mysore city with a toal population of approximately 10 lacs, the muslim population would be ~22%. However it would be foolish to make such an assumption as muslims are spread out over mysore district, just as they are in most parts of the state. I am not sure why this has not figured in the thinking of the vandal who has been making repeated edits to this section claiming the Muslim population of Mysore is 45%. Please lets be educated and think a little before putting in baseless data. I have requested earlier that the person maiking this edit give his login name so we can sort this out but this has not happened either. Also, is there any way we can stop repeat vandalism? Can this be reported to the wiki admin?

Dinesh Kannambadi

use of blog sites
Please refrain from using blog sites which provide no source or detailed study. The blog sites you have linked the demographics section to are propaganda based without any author or source. Such sites are a menace and misleading. The link I have provided is compiled by Central Institute of Indian Languages and the authors are reputed ones. Also if you notice, the main author is a muslim from Cornell university, just in case you feel there is foul play. They even have copy right act on this work making it all the more official. please remove your blog links. There are many blog sites caliming the muslim population in India is more than 250 million. Are you going to believe that too?

Dinesh Kannambadi

This page on mysore is only on Mysore city and not Mysore district...common you should be talking only about mysore and not the district. there is a different place on wikipedia where you can put your articles on "mysore district". Hope this make sense.

Cheers, Mujeer

Streets and Non-Tourist locations
Hi This is an informal poll, please vote for the streets and non-tourist locations to be covered in this article. Please note, if you can get pictures of the same or interesting facts (like when it was built, important people, places) it will be more interesting. I am voting for the following


 * 1) Devraj Urs Road (Commercial Street)
 * 2) Sayji Rao Road (Commercial Street, CAVA)
 * 3) City Hall (I think this is one of the most oldest buidlings in Mysore)
 * 4) Iriwin Road (Bus Stand, Masjid, K. R. Hospital, Railway Station)

This can be added to a seperate page, with a brief write up appearing in the main page (If you are reorganizing something already on this page, please add a main article and a brief write up on the main page). --Pradeep 02:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good! And no doubt, these should be moved to a new page as mysore page is overcrowded...I vote for all the above and you can also include


 * 1) KR circle
 * 2) JLB road

I will help you out in this matter n can u pls help me out 2 in formatting and resize the page. N with regards to tipu' sons(Pradeep request) i am trying to locate or find photos alongside with photos of maharajas, rani's,family members, lineage and explain on thier family tree

Mujeerkhan 17:25, 23 June 2006 AEST

Photo request/ Suggestion
Please list the photos required/proposed for this aricle here.


 * 1) St.Philomena's Church ( a photo of this imposing Cathedral would be nice).Pratheepps 05:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Noted people
I am not sure why KB Ganapathy's name was removed. He is the editor of the largest circulating dailies in Mysore. I am reverting the edit. --Wikicheng 03:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I have removed these names because there are hundreds of business promoters and professor's in mysore  and giving their contact numbers sounds pathetic!


 * 1) M.S. RajaRam, Business Promoter, Mysore, Number 9886742183
 * 2) Prof P.Nagabhushan, Dept of Computer Science, University of Mysore.

Mujeerkhan 14:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Are there any criteria for naming "noted" people in the page for a city? Is it sufficient that they are well known in that city, or should they be people who enjoy broader popularity/notoriety?

Sdsouza 00:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Control over article
I think Mr pradeep wants an ideal picture painted and does not want reality to intrude. He did the same thing to me in another article. I disagree with his point of view. I believe people are more interested in reality than a fantasy about India. In any case, we write about what we can get reliable verifiable references about -- and I consider The Hindu to be a reliable verifiable source.

No one "owns" this article. ABSmyth 00:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Famous person from mysore
The article misses "Famous people of mysore" like Mirza ismail, K B ganapathy, R.K. Laxman, N.R. Narayana Murthy, Tipu Sultan should be added. "Culture" should also include festivals of all faiths.

Shezaad786 07:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Mysore
Please don't communalise this artile, the whole world knows that india is secular and festivals of all faiths and religions are celebrated in all towns and citis, so why tell that in culture and demographics of Mysore that there is a mosque and muslims in mysore., let the article highlight the real Mysore, the cultural capital of Karnataka.--Ganesha1 14:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

"Mysuru"?
The move of this article is entirely premature - do you know how many hits "Mysuru" gets on Google? A grand total of 850, as opposed to nearly 6 million for Mysore. Wikipedia should reflect current English language usage, it is not a tool for persuading people to back a controversial and narrow-minded renaming policy. None of these Karnataka articles should have been moved: since when has the Government of Karnataka had the right to dictate English language usage? All these places were known by their Kannada names in Kannada anyway. Attempting to force the use of these forms in English is highly politicised and reflects a narrow ethnic and linguistic chauvinism, just as it was when the Shiv Sena changed Bombay to Mumbai. If popular usage shifts to "Bengaluru" and "Mysuru" then fine, but "official" policy has no bearing on this whatsoever. It's Moscow, not Moskva, Florence, not Firenze, Germany, not Deutschland. Why the blazes should Indian names be any different? Sikandarji 10:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reverted several 'Mysooru's to Mysore, and changed the reported name change to what it was in the report, Mysuru, not Mysooru. For the initial spelling I've replaced it with Maisūru so that there is a formal phonetic spelling. Imc 09:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have changed Native_name to Mysooru from Mysore. I feel that Mysuru will be pronounced with a short u and hence it is wrong. With 'oo', there should be no confusion. But if you want to change it to Mysūru or Maisūru, then it is fine, but it has to ne with a ū rather than a u -- WikiCheng | Talk 05:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Native English speakers are genetically incapable of pronouncing 'uru' with a short 'u'. Jokes aside, I don't think that there are any English words of that pattern, that are pronounced with a short u before r; when there are imported words they are either lengthened (rarel), or changed to other vowels (e.g. Turk, Kurd), or both (durian, Ural). Imc 10:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Bravo, Sikandarji! Deipnosophista 15:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

philomena church photo added
philomena church photo added... from my wiki commons collection.

Gagan555 11:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)