Talk:Myspace/Archive 1

The Real History of MySpace
I believe the idea that MySpace was created by Tom Anderson and Chris DeWolfe is completely false. I have seen information regarding the true creator of MySpace to be Brad Greenspan (former head of InterMix Media/eUniverse). MySpace was created by Brad Greenspan and Tom and Chris just helped develop it.
 * If you can provide references for this information, add it. &mdash;tregoweth (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Privacy Policy
If someone impersonates you on myspace.com is myspace allowed to provide you with their IP and e-mail address?

I believe this is not the case, due to their privacy policy, but contacting someone at myspace might help. 207.192.227.133 12:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC) -22 May 2006

MyspaceCelebrities.com
Here's a site that tracks all the celebrity profiles on Myspace, and a voting system on whether they are legit or fake. Seems like most are legit.
 * MyspaceCelebrities.com Links to Myspace Celebrity profiles.

MySpace sold users information?
"Due to slow service and a lack of revenue, the site shut down and sold all of its users' information in 2001 [2]."

The article being cited here mentions nothing about the sale of information. It just says that information was deleted.

The information sold was done by a company that is no longer in business. They simply share the same name. Much like the company that currently owns Napster is not the same Napster of 5 years ago. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.119.210.77 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Dates wrong in "The Movie" section
It states that the movie was released in February 2006, yet it's gained a certain audience in 3 months. In the future it at least will be true, but now it looks awkard, and leads me to question the validity of either the date or the period.

CT Teacher
Myspace in educational settings:

"In 2005, a Connecticut teacher was suspended from teaching after school officials discovered he had a MySpace and used it to communicate with students."

Is there a citation or any more information about this?

--68.9.91.215 01:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it was around last year, so it was probably a typo, meant to be 2005. Perhaps it has the creation date on YouTube? - Ktbaby 10:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Search feature
In the article it says that there is no streamline search feature but this is a complete and utter, nasty, disgusting, rude and devilish lie. On the top right of the MySpace screen you can search and then search for names.


 * Try actually using the search feature. Go ahead.  Try it to find something that you know to be on someone's MySpace profile page.  Try the phrase: "skulls oscillating".  Why doesn't it return my profile page, which is www.myspace.com/thekohser ?  Maybe because the search function is utterly nasty and disgusting, from a programming point of view.   -Thekohser 15:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Obviously this has been taken out of the article, but I agree that the search facility is pretty poor. Searching is pretty hard to program, and I am surprised now myspace is so huge they have not licenced some search technology from someone else.  It may be worth mentioning again under the Criticism of MySpace section, since everyone I know who has used myspace, says how poor the search is (hopefully that will change). --SnakeSeries 16:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've heard it argued that the search is deliberately useless, so that it emphasizes the social networking aspect of the site. Arvindn 22:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Myspace Hacker
I have heard about a myspace hacker who put the site down for a few days. Shouldn't he be mentioned? Blatantly Evil 02:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! I've been trying to load the page (and to no avail) thinking it was my browser or connection. I've tried my best to look into why it's been down, can't find a thing...does anyone know? WHERE DID MYSPACE GO? JessiFortuna 68.10.246.70 02:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

In refernce to the myspace hacker, there was one, but it was dealt with quickly. Being the size that it is, myspace is often targeted by hackers. It very rarely sucumbs to such atacks. On this case it did, and it took two days to fix all the damage. 68.148.183.107 is the recent Myspace hacker. The user's name is MustaphaBinLaden. I recommend that you guys contact the authorities

-- Myspace helper

Hmmm...those damn vandalizers...
So here I am thinking, and sitting, writing this here on wiki. This thought came about after seeing so many people coming back time after time and vandalizing various parts of the MySpace article about how “bad” MySpace is, how it’s going to take over the world, and things of that nature. So I thought: what if tomorrow everyone wakes up, signs on to the internet, and creates an account on MySpace? Yes I know, very unlikely, and most certainly impossible, but if that were the case. Think about the implications. This would be like the DMV or the Social Security Administration, where they have basic information about you, a photo id, and other various random information, except that in this case, it isn’t a government; it’s a private corporation.

Another thing that is interesting, is that anything posted or transmitted on or through MySpace becomes the intellectual property of MySpace (or at least I’ve heard; I would like to get a confirmation on if this is fact or not) and then I really began to think. This is sort of like 1984, with the thought police, except in modern fashion. If I am Tom or a programmer/web designer for the site, I can read anything anyone transmits on or through that site.

The next step was, what if the United States government, or any other, decides to buy MySpace. Yeah, I know. IT’LL NEVER HAPPEN. But just think about how intense it would be if it did. This is where I began to think that these people who are constantly vandalizing this MySpace article have an interesting point.


 * Rupert Murdoch DID buy the site. What do you mean it will never happen?

The potential for MySpace abuse and misuse in my opinion is rather obvious, and now that I think about it, I’m slightly worried. What’s going to happen and how long before it will be when I start seeing all kinds of people on MySpace, including but not limited to teachers, anyone I could ever run into on the street, grandparents, and even toddlers (although you have to be 14+ to set up an account)?

I’ve personally grown so efficient on searching for people on MySpace, that I think I could easily find just about anyone on there that I come across in daily life, just as long as I know a few things about them.

If MySpace were to fall into the wrong hands, imagine the things one could do with it. Leo Collin 09:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * How many people fill in correct details such as full name and address? A database of 40 million MySpace usernames with made up postcodes, where you don't know if the photo ID is of them or not, isn't that useful to anyone...


 * As for IP, I can't see anything in the TOS about MySpace claiming ownership. It does say "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the Website." but most importantly in then says "This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Website." so it's not like they can easily get away with using your photos in an advert or selling your posts in a book. This sort of clause is common to many online sites, and I imagine is just them protecting themselves from being sued by an idiot who claims they don't have permission to display what he posted. And I don't think this has got anything to do with thought police really - I presume people running MySpace can read anything on their servers; they don't need IP ownership to do that. Mdwh 06:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

According to what I now about the myspace server layout, they can, and often do.--Mark 19:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "(although you have to be 14+ to set up an account)"
 * Officially. Dansiman 08:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "Officially." -Dansiman
 * Yes, but of course, people lie about their age all the time. That is one of the reasons MySpace isn't totally secure. SilverBulletx3chattehcontrib. 15:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Suicide
There should be a page about that punk who commited suicide on MySpace. PirateMonkey 03:09, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * How can you commit a suicide on Myspace? Thorri 14:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

He put his suicide note on myspace, it basicly said "Title:Do me a favoure Message: Call the police. Tell them to go to (then he gives his adress) and tell them to look in the bathroom. im soo sorry <3" it became a big ytmnd fad to make fun of him (possibly one of the biggest) Johhny-turbo 01:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

how can u commit suicide on myspace? do u no the kid's name?---anonamus

can someone tell me what his adress was? i wanna check this kid out.- Lauryn (email me with the answer at ifuckcats@catfucker.com )
 * Seriously, you can bear to have that as your e-mail address? Not a Sockpuppet of Flameviper12 15:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Josh Ballard, At 8:14 a.m. on Nov. 29.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6d8134fbbe964d76f864b3b9682dcb19 there is a full story about it. - NemoomeN

his myspace is www.myspace.com/jloveb but it got shut down many many times and ytmnd registered it lots of times too. - melvin

Popularity
Should I put something in there about myspace's huge popularity? From what I've seen myspace has eclipsed all its rivals and may be the biggest social networking site around today.. at least in the US Jarwulf 00:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "Biggest social networking site around today" is quite POV. If you can cite reliable sources, then be bold and go ahead. -- Perfecto [[Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg|25px|Canada]] 01:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This is objectively verifiable using third-party Internet audience measurement services such as comScore Media Metrix or Nielsen NetRatings. Last month, according to comScore, MySpace.com was the third-ranked website in terms of monthly page views (10 billion plus), trailing only Yahoo and MSN, and far more heavily trafficked than any other social networking website. 24.126.242.132 09:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was the 4th most trafficked. And Google must certainly far eclipse myspace in monthly page views. Is Google just not included in comScore's stats?MikeNM 04:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Move to MySpace, Inc
The company name of 'MySpace' is MySpace, Inc, there seems to be precedent for articles to go by their correct company name (eg 'Sky' is at BSkyB), I suggest that it should be moved to MySpace, Inc

This is the legal company name as per the MySpace.com Terms and conditions page.

Also the 'MySpace', 'Myspace, 'MySpace.com' and 'Myspace.com' redirects should be changed.


 * The website is clearly branded as "MySpace" or "MySpace.com"... so I think the article should stay where it is, with the redirects in place (of course, there's no reason not to create a "MySpace, Inc" redirect to point here, as well. But since there's no need to move the article elsewhere in order to disambig, I can't see it's necessary to move away from "MySpace". After all, if people are looking up the article, it seems more likely they'd try "MySpace" rather than "MySpace, Inc", so we may as well avoid the redir... UkPaolo 10:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Isn't the idea to make things as accurate as possible though, rather than just choosing the ones people are most likely to look for? I bet some things are mis-spelled more often than they spelled correctly when people look them up on Wikipiedia, but that's no reason to rename a article to the mis-spelled version and have the "less used" correctly spelled version redirect to that, is it? -Chaosfeary 10:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * If someone feels that strongly about it, the article could be split into articles about the website MySpace and the company MySpace, Inc., as with Google (the company) and Google search (the site). tregoweth 20:26, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes... to be honest, from reading the terms and conditions link which was posted above, it seems that the website itself is always branded as "MySpace" or "MySpace.com". "MySpace, Inc" only gets a mention at the end as owning the trademark. Would seem logical in my opinion, for an article about the website (such as this one) to be titled "MySpace" or "MySpace.com", and an article about the company (should someone choose to write one) at "MySpace, Inc". Just my $0.02 UkPaolo 21:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with UkPaolo. Dansiman 08:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, shouldn't some consideration be be given to the fact that MySpace is becoming a "word in common usage" in its own right, like Google?

Capitalization
is it Myspace or MySpace? every time it is said on the site it is MySpace, but the pages titles show Myspace.com --AlexTheMartian 05:33, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

It's MySpace. The article isn't named "MySpace" probably because someone made it "Myspace" first. --Alex12 3 02:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

This is strange, as I have seen it as "MySpace", "Myspace", and "myspace". Upon visiting Myspace.com, you will see that the page title is indeed "Myspace.com", yet within the page it is refered to as "MySpace", and internal advertisements show it as "myspace".

As a website developer for my own businesses, I tend to do some of the same stuff with capitalization. For readability and to follow common capitalization rules, I use Myspace. It is, after all, a name. For consistancy, I've changed most of the occurances in the article to match this style. 68.11.183.50 20:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've undone the changes. For one, most of the wiki article still used "MySpace" so your own changes seemed to be in the minority. For two, The myspace page itself liberally uses "MySpace" or "MySpace, Inc.", so I believe "MySpace" to be the official - according to MySpace themselves - capitalisation. -- Ch&#39;marr 20:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Irrelevant
No one has posted anything as to *why* it should be cleaned up. I see no problem at all with the aritcle's quality. I'm removing the cleanup notice.


 * While this article isn't particularly in need of cleanup, it is still very much in need of attention. Much of the prose is quite clumsy, and the founding section in particular is poorly written. I am trying to find more articles about MySpace that would lend insight into some of the details of its birth. If anyone can help out with this I would be much obliged. Slugmaster 00:29, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I cleaned up the foundation paragraph a little bit, but this page still needs a ton of work...--Leadgold 02:22, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The article comes across as slightly fawning -- almost a commercial -- and too detailed: do Wikipedia readers really *care* when "emptying the trash" was introduced?


 * Yes. From what I understand, the detail in a wikipedia article is why most people, including myself, use it in the first place. Instead of what would be a rough overview in comparison with Wikipedia, by another site. 11th grade in california, when taking a tech class, are often asked to do a project about Myspace, for one reason or another.--Mark 19:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Could someone undertake a serious grammar check on this? Even in the first paragraph, the second sentance still does not make sense. I could do the grammar changes, but in many instances, such as that second sentance, I would have to do a fact check to discern exactly what is meant by the "sentance" currently in the article.MikeNM 04:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Racist?
Hard to believe that someone would have a problem with there being too many anti-racist groups. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:44, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

The argument is that different views have been effectively outlawed. --Alex12 3 02:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

"Racist Groups"
Could someone with more information clarify this section? Are they banned from an "anti-racist" group, or banned from MySpace? --Alex12 3 22:48, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Until clarification can be provided, I've removed the following from the article:

There are also allegations of political bias. Numerous "anti-racist" organizations are allowed in the groups section that profess violence towards "racists", and anyone thought to be associated with racism is banned, despite any respect for the rules.

If this is just user behavior, well, that's too bad, users can do whatever they want, and this therefore isn't appropriate for the article. If someone can confirm and prove that this goes up to MySpace administration, however, then it is worthy of being placed back in the article. --Alex12 3 23:10, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Name
I think the correct title of this article should be "MySpace.com" .. everywhere on the site, even throughout the entire Terms of Use Agreement, it is named as MySpace.com .. the only thing that is not, is many of the page titles are "Myspace.com", and the logo is "myspace".. but logos does not signify the correct capitalization or name of the company.. some companys' logos are just an acronym for the company, or have a certain capitalization in use for the design of the logo, etc. so I think either the title of this article be MySpace.com or MySpace. --  AlexTheMartian | Talk 18:11, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)


 * ok.. I am renaming it MySpace. It seems like someone just looked at the logo and figured the correct capitalization was "myspace", correct me if im wrong. --  AlexTheMartian | Talk 18:15, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Attention
Some of this article's prose is pretty clumsy at the moment, perhaps because of its sparse edit history. &mdash;shoecream 05:59, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * By sparse I mean that I looked at the wrong page history. It need attention anyway.   &mdash;shoecream


 * Are you a member of the site, so that you may be able to update the article regularly? -- Riffsyphon1024 17:08, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

MySpace Editor
The link seems to be down, but I'm leaving it on for now, as it might just be undergoing maintenance. --Ixfd64 00:55, 2005 July 11 (UTC)

The links are working fine for me, the only problem I've seen is that some of the articals and sections dont show up until you refresh the page. Maybe this could be fixed? -- 17:14, 2005 July 16

Too many date/month/year wiki links
Links should be provided only to relevant Wikipedia articles; this article suffers from a plague of irrelevant links to year, month, date articles.

Could these be cut back a bit, please? They're distracting and add nothing useful for readers. (Who cares what else happened on the same date in history as MySpace introduced "customisable name-URLs"?) Attempting to put minor MySpace updates on the same historical plane as wars, births, and deaths comes over as hubristic and self-aggrandizing.


 * Dates aren't linked so that people can see what else happened on that date; they're linked so that Wikipedia can format them correctly, according to the user's preferences. For example, "January 1, 1970" will always be in the format "Month Day, Year", whereas "January 1, 1970" will be in the user-preferred format. – Mipadi 17:36, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Bought
MySpace has been bought by News Corp (known for owning Fox)... someone should update this article to reflect all that.
 * It's already in the article, at the end of the first paragraph. –Chairlunchdinner 04:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Question
Why is it that MySpace can only accept teenagers 16 or older? Teen years usually start on 13.
 * It so that sexual predators don't use the site to contact little kids. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:46, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * As of December 2005, the Terms of Use indicate that the minimum age is now 14. See http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/misc/terms.html. 24.126.242.132 09:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * One thing to add. Im not exactly sure of this, but if the age on the account is set below 18, or it may be 16, then the account is automaticly set to private.  Im not sure if this can be changed, but I plan on investigate it further.


 * Based on my own observations, it happens if the account age is set below 16. One of my MySpace friends (age 18) asked me how to make her profile private, and I was unable to locate anything in the site's help of FAQs about it. Apparently, "private" is not settable except by changing your reported age. Sorry I don't have verifiable link for this. Dansiman 08:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't find anything to say the age you must be to have a private profile, though from my experience, I think you have to be 14 or 15. However, I did find a page (under Help) that says that "The privacy option is only for our younger users".   Hope this was helpful.

Im pretty sure you can change your private settings by going to acoount settings, then privacy settings and clicking on the option under the who can see my profile my friends only.--Mrrightguy10 05:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

stereotypes of myspace
removed the following from the article as it is unencyclopedic and is not backed up by any sources.


 * MySpace is often thought of as a site filled with emo and scene kids, many of whom are supposedly suicidal, slutty, and have the same personalities. However, Myspace's members represent a very wide range of social groups. There are members of all races, sexual preferences, political persuasions, etc.

--jonasaurus 06:13, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * There should be a reference to the fact that myspace is very popular with emo and scene kids, but that is way pov.

^ I am therefore removing this. Seems like something you'd see on urban dictionary than an encyclopedia. I hope the author got their kicks.

''There is a wide range of ages of users on myspace. A wide range of usage from those users. From little to no usage, to constant profile checking. Many users have used the site so much that it actually changed their personality from a normal teen to an 'emo kid'. 'Emo kids', (typically girls) constantly take pictures of themselves in an attempt to find the perfect picture to show off their "beauty". Whether it's a friend that takes the picture, them in the mirror(full body shot), picture of thier head as to hide the fact that took it themselves by moving their arms at awkward angles to hide their arms or just wildly random paint editing to make themselves look more scene. Users have gone from normal middle class clothes to 80's style GoodWill clothes. In conjunction with these style changes many teens have turned to local band's websites and now go to more local scene shows. Since a majority of teens that go to shows are one myspace also. A avid myspace user Shane Kohls states, "Emo kids can suck it." Not many users bought into the idea of myspace and only log in every couple months. As does Josh W. who states, "I'll stick with the old fashioned telephone."''

Anti-MySpace link
I say we remove link to the following page: http://www.myspacesucks.8m.com/ because it is

a) clearly offending

Examples: You don't have to read far in order to notice this straight insult: "Why MySpace Sucks and So Do You"; "...you selfish bastards..."; "...reading about your generic, pointless life..."; "Jesus fucking Christ, you people are sick."

b) over-excessive swearing

Examples: "...a fucking travesty."; "...and shitty skin..."; "...you selfish bastards..."; "For fuck's sake..."; "well-known douchebag to..."

c) It is clearly defaming Tom (the owner)

Examples: "How does a lonely, single nerd become the antichrist of the internet?"; "for people just like him, with no friends,"

I know, having an anti-MySpace link is good because it represents another view on the subject, but that website is vile, disgusting and full of personal, clearly subjective hate.

I also would like to point out that children use Wikipedia and the kind of language that web site uses is definitely not suitable for them. --Thorri 10:15, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention: I removed the link on Sunday 16th but when I came back today I noticed that the link was there again -reverted by none other than Casey Primeau, one of the writers. --Thorri 10:24, 17 Oct 2005, (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors — Omegatron 19:45, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well that sucks. --Thorri 20:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Just because wikipedia doesnt enforce a rule doesnt mean you cant be an upstanding citizen yourself and refrain from exposing youth to biased trash like the above link. I agree with many of the points, yet its hard to recognize its truth when its mixed with evil and hateful remarks.--Brian

I agree. There is a difference between not being censored, and linking to a site that is rife with profanity at the expense of objective content. Dansiman 15:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I also think that the link should be removed and those girls who made the site should be investigated, because of people like them, they give us Myspace users a BAD NAME and that's, if I'm not mistaken, libel or slander. Myspace is just another alternative to LiveJournal, Facebook, MyLivingTree or any of those other sites that allow people to communicate. Truth be told, its actually a more in-depth way of instant messaging, is it not? There's nothing wrong with Myspace, and until people can PROVE IT, they need to back off. Myspace doesn't make sick people, sick people waste their time bashing a website. Who's with me? E-mail @ thedeadirishpoet@yahoo.com

While I find that site hysterically funny, it's more or less a site to visit and laugh at, not a site providing legitimate complaints about MySpace. If this article wants to provide a link to a site that provides common criticisms of myspace, that's fine, but this site is just taking (humorous) cheap shots. MikeNM 04:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Taylor Behl
On my MySpace page, one of my friends left me a bulletin saying that Taylor Behl's killer was somebody who she had met over MySpace. I haven't done much further looking into the story to see if this is true or not. Is that really the case? And if so, how can it be mentioned in this article in a way that is NPOV, considering that this article seems to be more about the site/company and its corporate information? By the way, here is the posting:
 * "GIRL MURDERED by man she first met up online on MYSPACE !!!
 * "Taylor Behl,a student from Virginia, has been found murdered. Her body turned up yesterday in a shallow grave and was confirmed to be that of Taylor Behl.The prime suspect, Ben Fawley claims to be an amateur photographer and is being held by authorities. She has a MySpace page and to see the comments from people while she was missing right up to finding the body is pretty sad and intense.Keep in mind that there are over 30 million people on this network so the odds are pretty good that you'll interact with some psychos and possibly some predators along the way(male or female). Just be careful and use common sense especially if you are female. I know 1st hand the amount of e-mails that women get every single day, half from guys posing as amateur photographers.
 * "Check out her My Space profile, which is still up and all the comments her friends have been leaving her from the day she disappeared up until today.
 * "http://www.myspace.com/doowop"

--Idont Havaname 17:38, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, idont havaname, you don't havasource. Come back later when you can cite a reliable source. Thank you. --Perfecto [[Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg|25px|Maple Leaf Forever!]] 23:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

MySpace-related deaths in the news
Kara Borden, a 14-year-old from Lititz, Pa., claiming to be 17 on MySpace, allegedly stood by as her boyfriend, David Ludwig, 18, also on MySpace, shot and killed her parents.

MSNBC.com has a 2 page article on this and other MySpace-related stories. It contains information that can be added to this article.

Now, should this and other stories be listed on this article?

I have decided not to post anything for 1) I'm lazy right now, and 2) I'm not sure if it, and others, should be on this article.

MSNBC article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10272868/ -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 20:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's not a "Myspace-related death". Just point out that it was in the news a lot. — Omegatron 20:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * well the killer was a guy she met on MySpace... seems related enough to me. but yeah probably does not need to be on this article. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 01:45, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "Kara leaves a message, happy that he's signed up for MySpace, and asks him to leave a comment on her page. "<3Kara<3", she signs off."
 * Sounds like she invited him after already knowing him. — Omegatron 04:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

"Stereotypes" of myspace - WHY DOES THIS SECTION CONTINUE TO BE REBORN
I removed this from the page:

"MySpace is often a humorous target as a site filled with scene kids and emo kids, many of whom are supposedly suicidal and slutty with black hair and bangs crossed over one eye and thick-rimmed glasses, plus they all seem to have the same personalities. However, Myspace's members represent a very wide range of social groups. There are members of all races, sexual preferences, interests, political persuasions, religions, etc."

found it to be rather useless and... like somebody was pre-empting an attack on Myspace. Weird. It seems it was added back even though somebody above had already removed it.68.199.31.28 04:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree that this section probably doesn't belong here - it's never really going to be meaningfully verifiable and will just target random attacks. (ESkog)(Talk) 05:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

History/features section
The history section is overlong and badly written so I think it needs replacing with something else. I suggest we go for a short list of when various features were added or even include a features section and insert the date they were implimented after each entry. What does everyone think? I was going to be bold and do it all now but there's so much information there it's hard to do it in one go and it's a pretty big change to the article. Opinions and suggestions would therefore be useful. Jellypuzzle 19:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a pretty good idea to me but I don't think the history section is that bad. But a little rough around the edges, yes. --Thorri 19:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree "badly written" was a bit harsh. I should have said "needs work" or such. Either way, I've moved the feature related history into its own section. It's all quite messy right now though so the clean up tag needs to stay. I didn't really do any edits to the actual text of each bit, just moved it away from the general history so they're all in one place. The section on videos ought to be moved up there too sometime and the general history bit re-written into better headings than the two. I've tried my best to make it read a bit better today with this and some minor reshuffles and may do some more tomorrow. Sorry if I've messed anything up. Jellypuzzle 22:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

As UkPaolo (probably rightly) removed the Features History section from the article I thought I'd post a summarised/shortened version of it below just in case someone wants to use some of the information. Jellypuzzle 15:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Features History

 * September 25 2003 - Group profiles, emptying of trash in mailbox, new look for the bulletin board, a mail indicator live anywhere on the system, unlimited friends, option to change an email and turn off reminders.
 * October 2003 - Comments on people's profile pictures, hiding online status, ability to block friend requests and approve comments before they could be posted.
 * November 2003 - Classifieds, picture ranking, and a way to find users by interest. "Online Now" status added in more areas, Mailbox improved.
 * December 18 2003 - Instant Messenger, for one-on-one IM communication between users.
 * February 2004 – Chat Rooms added.
 * 2004 - Musicians profiles added. Option to post streaming MP3s or MP3 downloads.
 * April 2004 - Forums, games, advanced browse and new Journal customisation.
 * June 4 2004 – Option for users to create groups.
 * Autumn 2004 - Users can give "props", later changed to "kudos", to their friends’ blogs.
 * Late 2004 – 2005 - Event invite option added.
 * January 27 2005 - Feature that lets members see if their friends on AOL, Yahoo!, or MSN are members.
 * February 8, 2005 – Schools/alumni feature/groups added.
 * February 24, 2005 – Pinning threads in forums (sticky threads) added.
 * March 28 2005 – Customisable name URLs added.
 * June 11 – 2005 - Calendar system added.
 * December 16 2005 - Ratings system for teachers and professors.
 * December 20, 2005, - Birthday notification feature added.

Copy rights issues
I currently and probabily never will post on these groups for copyrights reason. I did receive an invitation today which triggered me to read some of the articles on wikipedia about these groups. All of them are silent about this issue. Since some people might end up on those groups from a wikipedia referral, wouldn't mentioning the problem with these group feature prominently on the articles here?

Emo related edit tussle
I think some consensus ought to be reached on here regarding whether or not the "emo scene" should be mentioned. Changing the wikilink from "alternative" to point to alternative rock rather than the alternative culture I set it as could work but that might not be enough if someone thinks it is worth an even larger mention. I've had a MySpace profile for quite a while and haven't personally noticed any more "emo kids" than any other group of people but I could just be missing it by just viewing things asociated with my clique. Debating through edit summaries really isn't the best way to solve such things. Jellypuzzle 23:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree this should be discussed here. Personally, I feel a sentence along the lines that MySpace is "often associated with the emo subculture" (appropriately wikilinked) would be reasonable. Even if it is not true that MySpace is "full of emo kids", I feel it is true that it is often associated with being like that, if that makes sense. Makes just as much sense to mention emo as alternative, imho. Although I would agree with anyone in saying that it's probably not entirely trye. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 08:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I found this article from the generation y article when the gen y article was discussing emo. I think myspace became popular first with the emo crowd, but it is now becoming MUCH more mainstream. Flyerhell 06:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

What about simply saying that MySpace has its own unique culture (or subculture)? Dansiman 08:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Article Missing Section
The current article doesn't seem to fairly balance the postive and negative aspects of MySpace. Maybe there are more problems than good, I don't know, I'm still learning, but it seems to be missing a section between the Origins and Culture/Criticisms sections. I'd call it "Stellar Rise of MySpace" and discuss the fact that this is a phenomenon, 45 million in 2 years is uncommon, right? This is a major community venue. What about a valuation of MySpace itself (in addition to current valuation of parent company? Allude to the system strain due to it's rapid growth. 68.206.0.176 06:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Popularity doesn't means something inherently important or beneficial,as for example drinking beer(which is popular alchoholic beverage in many countries). Myspace doesn't provide something unique or beneficial and its substandard choice for online communication(although popular). See also Network_effect Herding_instinct Groupthink Pop_culture Conformism

SHOULD WE TOOK ABOUT THE PASSWORD/E-MAIL EXPLOITS?
OKAY..I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS OR NOT..BUT SOME HACKER HACKED INTO ABOUT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE'S E-MAILS/PASSWWORDS AND POSTED THEM ON THE NET..I WAS ON OF THEM ONT HE LIST!
 * We need a verifiable source of this incident before inclusion could be considered. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 19:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The passwords were posted to this very article. The revisions have been erased from the history, however. Fredrik | tc 00:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I LIKE THE SHIFT KEY TOO!!!!!!--IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 05:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

SHIFT = AWESOME --CelticWonder 01:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Nudity
It's a vague claim - "some people post nude pics" - the same thing could be said of any website-host or blogging service. Is there any notable controversy surrounding this, for example criticism from the media or other organisations?

Just because something is technically true doesn't make it encyclopedic - and this statement only becomes true through the use of weasel words. "Many people"? "Some people"? Does this paragraph actually tell the reader anything useful? Mdwh 12:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

A cursory google showed me quite a few incidences on Myspace of nudity, and even a couple of people noting that Myspace didn't enforce the policy. I think it's fair to mention it. I've added a source to the section and removed "most".

Yes, it can be said of most hosting services. If people note that they also contain nudity, that should be included in their articles too. James James 22:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A few Google hits of random sites isn't sufficient to be notable. I disagree that we need to add "Some people post nude pics" to every single website and blog hosting service article out there. It may be notable that the media have covered it - as they have, with the links you've now added - so that's why I changed it to reflect this. Mdwh 22:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Nudity is especially prevalent on Myspace, and it is notoriously unpunished.


 * wrong, MySpace WILL delete any nudity IF REPORTED, it is just that Myspace can not monitor ALL millions of profiles for nudity. common sense. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 00:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

comon sense..AGREED

Networking
''Many feel that the networking function of MySpace is useless, due to the fact that when a new user creates a MySpace, he or she is automatically friends with site founder Tom. Many people never delete Tom from their friends list, so it is almost impossible to find someone who is not in your personal network because of this.'' I take it that the first 'many' are different people from the second 'many'. In which case who are the first 'many' who worry that the second 'many' can't find people who aren't their friends? Mark1 14:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Uneven Criticism Length
Okay, yes, MySpace has faced a lot of criticism. But why must 2/3 of the article be about the criticism it's received? I find it unfair. This article should focus more on what MySpace is and not what some people think MySpace is supposed to be. bob rulz 08:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree! - Stoph 17:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I would agree that the criticism does somewhat appear to have taken over the article, and I would agree it reads much more as a criticism than an NPOV encyclopedia article. I have just removed the sections criticising the search system and the fact that user's dates of birth are not verified. I felt that neither really added to the article (other than increasing the amount of criticism) and their content was not particularly encyclopedic or verifiable - merely the opinion of some users. I also merged the educational settings section with the previous bullying section which also talked about schools blocking access. I removed the speculation about why schools might do this, since it didn't appear to have been verified. I hope no-one objects to these changes particularly, and if anyone does I would urge them to discuss a reversion here to gain consensus before adding such sections back. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 18:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also removed the section concerning downtime, for similar reasons for those above. It's not verified, (statements such as "new features to the site often cause MySpace to run even slower" are hard to formally verify) and statements such as "the success of this maintainance is yet to be experienced by MySpace users" seems distinctly unencyclopedic. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 19:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I 100% agree that this Wikipedia article has been more or less taken over by people who don't like MySpace. Why isn't there anything positive about it? Why is so much negative? Adults are trying to discourage teens from using Myspace by making threats about Internet predators -- this is a complete over-reaction and is simply the result of a generation gap. -- Latitude0116 07:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Celebrities on MySpace???
I've seen profiles of celeb's on myspace including people like The Rock(Dwane Johnson).

Does anyone know if these proviles are real or fake? If there are so many Celeb's on Myspace possibly it should be included in the article?


 * I think adding a small list of confirmed celebrity accounts would be good. But I wouldn't go adding possibly fake one's. If anyone wants to know, I have the name of the account held by the band HIM and the account of Bam Margera. M o e   ε  03:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Bam has stated on Radio Bam that he doesn't have a MySpace and anyone who is on there is a fake. --Liface 04:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * obviously that proves that none of us can use our reasoning to figure out which profile might be real. I think if any list be made, it only include those who said themselves that they have a MySpace (Carson Daly for example talks about his MySpace profile on his Last Call show), or those who's publicist or manager or something along those lines have talked about them having it. guessing or rumors should not be used in figuring out if a profile is real. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 04:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I never heard that announcement on Radio Bam before. Hmm.. must be fake then. Then what about the HIM myspace account, it's posted on the article HIM (band). Are we sure if it's fake or not. M o e   ε  05:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If you do choose to make a list, comedians Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook both have MySpace accounts, linked to from their official websites. &mdash;chair lunch dinner&trade; (talk) 05:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I created List of Prominent MySpacers. -User:Carie

K-Fed does have a myspace but thats the only one that I know is real. Him and the popular radio host Kidd Kradick (Kratick),im not sure how its spelled, have a little myspace rivalry.

How to make this article more neutral
Here are the advantages of MySpace - link

Hope that helps. -User:Carie


 * I love how it says "More negative points than positive". In that case, Hitler may need a neutrality check. Doug teh H-Nut 05:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT NEED TO BE MADE MORE NETURAL!!! If there are facts about myspace, they should go in here... speculative opinion should not. What if we were to make the article about the Holocaust more neutral so that it doesn't seem as bad as it was, and to emphasise all the "good" things about the Holocaust, all the positive feedback from the holocaust... etc. !! Obviously it would ruin the entire article!! We should aim for a blanace THAT FITS WITH THE FACTS. An article about Amway for example is a good article about balancing evil with the coroporate party line. -Abscissa 17:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, PoV is outright saying that "the Holocaust was bad" or "Myspace is a failure". Of course, we all know that the Holocaust was bad, but this is an encyclopedia, not an editorial. So stating that, "MySpace is criticized for its blue elephants," and citing your sources isn't POV. --Mas  T er of Puppets Peek! 17:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That would be easy to fix. But this article is flagged for "more bad points than good" - Abscissa 20:26, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

The Accessibility section is plagued with weasel words and poor grammar. Most of these errors also give the section negative connotation. -User:JesusChris(t) 30 MAY 2006

Should any of this be included?
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Bloggers_investigate_social_networking_websites []
 * Yes, relevant details probably should be included from that article. In the meantime, I've linked it in with a Wikinews box. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 20:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

PRIVATE PROFILE
HOW DO I MAKE MYSPACE PROFILE PRIVATE SO ONLY MY FRIENDS CAN SEE

My understanding is that you set your Age to 15, and then it will enable a private profile. Why don't you look in the appropriate places, like http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.faq&faqQuestionId=42 rather than Wikipedia?

--Posting a false age is a bannable offence, with all the bad press I imagine they're pretty on edge about this. Although there is a way to accomplish privacy without risking your account: 209.191.216.227 17:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

myspace userbox
Does anyone happen to know the myspace userbox code? I've seen one or two before but I can't seem to find the code on the list of user boxes. --  Whane  03:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

This is the template: User:UBX/MySpace ;) --G VOLTT 00:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The Movie
Could we add a bit more information as to what the movie is actually about?

"racial minorities"
Changed the words "racial minorities" to "different races". It's unfortionate when people think that racism only affects minorities. :(

If somebody can think of a better way to word that sentance, that's cool. SilentRage 03:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Suicide
Aparntly there was a 15 year old who posted on Myspace for someone to call the police to his house. Any more info. I know they made fun of it on ytmnd.

We talked about this a little bit earlier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Myspace#Suicide 68.239.95.130 16:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Bulletin hoaxes
Just to let you know, many bulletins that dictate users to circulate them are mostly just hoaxes, in fact most bulletins people put on the bulletin board of MySpace are the aforementioned hoax letters. I just wanted to warn some Wikipedians not to circulate those hoaxes and that people should only post bulletins if they have something important to say that isn't a hoax. (unsigned comment from anon)

chain letters are also haunts of the bulletin. does anybody honestly think that "if you do not send this by midnight a bear of a girthy size will crawl in your window and kill you with a rubber cell phone. but if you do send this, the bear will turn into a prince and kiss you"??????

one recent hoax was the one about "MySpace shutting down". but really, the Admins are pretty good about taking care of the big rumors. ~(deadly window climbing bear)

"more 'elite' communities such as YTMND "?
what the shit Rubber cat 03:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

It's not the site ytmnd but the users.

"stupidity" bit
i deleted that little piece of retardation. —This unsigned comment was added by Guy named chris (talk • contribs) 16:51, 22 March 2006.

you are a true wikipatriot Rubber cat 04:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC) what happen to the link's to celebs myspaces?

-warsman11

what happen to List of prominent MySpace members?
What happen to it?

Somebody set up us the Articles_for_deletion/List_of_prominent_MySpace_members. --Maxamegalon2000 07:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Which one is it?
In the introduction section of this article, there is the following statement: "As of March 2006 it is the world's fifth most popular English-language website and the eighth most popular in the world (according to Alexa Internet[1])."

Well, which one is it? Is it the fifth most popular or the eighth? Interrupt_feed 16:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The two are not mutually exclusive, as long as there are three non-English language sites which are more popular. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

67 million accounts
It said There are over 67 million users on myspace. This is untrue for there are actualey 67million registered accounts. I myself made a myspace when it first came out just to look at pictures and then i made one for myself to be with friends and the other day i made one so i could look at pictures when i was at the library. If I made 3 accounts, imagine how many other people made 3+ accounts. This makes the number a lot lower and a lot less accurate. So i changed it to say there are 67 million registered accounts.
 * You only needed one account. No one's going to find out if you viewed their pictures. No one cares about you enough to track your IP address either, so you shouldn't have to worry about that either. Unless you're hiding something. Chantessy 23:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

its true. you didn't need to creat 3 or more profiles. its not like your activities are easily tracked or like neone would actually want to waste their time doing that...most ppl create ONE profile and edit/change that as they like. creating more than one is unlikely and uncommon.


 * i currently manage five accounts, but the other four are for bands i'm in. and one fake profile. i'm sure there are plenty of legit uses for multiple profiles. Gordonjay 04:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

MySpace cell phone
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=myspace+cell+phone its true. there was no need for you to create 3 or more pages. its not like people can track what you look at. most ppl make one site and then just edit/change whats on it as they change. or get bored with it. woofda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.138.253 (talk • contribs)

"Thanks for the add"
Why some users said the sentence: "Thanks for the add" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.252.58 (talk • contribs)
 * I believe it's "thanks for having added me as a friend [to your profile]". Not really something worth adding to an encyclopedia, article, however. The notion of people adding others as friends is already discussed. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Technology behind Myspace.com
Does anyone the technology behind myspace.com, I think they are a good case study for a high-volume website with database usage.. Is it php, mysql, did they custom write the site or use an off-the-shelf script..
 * I'm not sure what their database is, but they use Macromedia ColdFusion for their server-side scripting --^demon 21:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I know that they use Microsoft IIS 6.0 for their servers. I have seen IIS error pages sometimes on the site. Myspace actually uses BlueDragon.NET for their server-side scripting, it is deceiving because the pages are .cfm. [This guy] talks a lot more about the myspace technology. [Here] is another, more reputable source. CompotatoJ 03:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

IM System
Does anyone know why it's taking so long for the busted Instant Messenging system to work again?

The IM system was recently fixed, along with an optional download IM service.

Alexa rankings
Given the number of qualifiers that have to be added to the Alexa ranking, should it (and the lengthy explanation) be included in the first paragraph? tregoweth 11:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Grammar/Style?
"Note that this is based on exceptionally intense usage by a relatively limited number of visitors, many more than five English language sites have a higher "reach" measurement, that is they are visited by more different people each day." This sentence sounds... off. Could someone do a grammar/style rewrite? I'm getting writer's block when I try myself. Kalo 21:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Terms of Service and Content Ownership
The following topic has come up quite a few times in several blogs. According to myspace.com's TOS in section 6, by using their service you grant myspace.com "a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services." Most users will probably click through this without ever looking at the Terms of Service. This has strong reprocussions with musicians.

I compared this to blogger who stated that the user owns the content and they reserve a "fair-use" right to display a small portion of your blog to promote your blog or blogger's services.

This should probably be added on. Any thoughts as to why it shouldn't be listed as a criticism?

Intro
This intro is full of "non-intro" information.

"Note that this is based on exceptionally intense usage by a relatively limited number of visitors, many more than five English language sites have a higher "reach" measurement, that is they are visited by more different people each day."

What is the point of having this in the intro? If anything it should be an endnote.

"MySpace has outstripped competitors such as MSN Spaces, Friendster and LiveJournal to become the most popular English-language social networking website with higher traffic and over 74 million registered accounts."

As well as being wordy/awkward, this really doesn't resonate with NPOV. It reads like a sales pitch. Drcwright 20:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It doesn't flow as well now, but I edited it to at least seem as if News Corporation didn't come up with the intro. TJohnson 20:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

MyDeathSpace.com
This is the generally the site to go when trying to find out which MySpacers have died recently.. I've posted it upon the Obituary article's external links, but do you think such a link is relevant herein?DrWho42 07:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I think an article on MyDeathSpace.com should be included, because it's interesting and it relates directly to the subject. Chavila 15:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I think this should be mentioned in the article on MySpace, it highlights the sub culture surrounding the so called "myspace generation". It also shows the "nay sayers" who seem to dislike MySpace yet comment on it blu_sonic


 * How many herein not for the inclusion?.. Because it seems to keep on getting deleted sooner or later once I post it... DrWho42 03:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

MySpace's reputation
Can somebody tell me how MySpace could be far worse than LiveJournal? I frankly don't understand why the blazes MS gets blocked off far more than LJ, when LJ still has at least nearly the amount of obscenity MS has if not more or just as much, and a lot of drama to go with it. --Juigi Kario (Charge! * My crusades) 02:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that MySpace is the most frequently bashed of them all. all of these crimes can be started on Xanga, LiveJournal,etc. To add my own point, it is spread all over on the news about "so and so" age 14-18 (usally) was killed by "so and so" after meeting on MySpace. but what isn't looked at is the STUPIDITY of the victem. it is bashed into the minds of every living person that people you meet online are commonly not who they say they are and to NEVER meet them in public. obviously they were not aware that there are lots of sickos out there.

maybe I am the only person who thinks that maybe the victem was gullible and, if not killed by an online predator, would have died by getting abducted by a local rapist. "oh no, sweetheart, i just want to take your picture for a local newsletter! But first, could you get my camera from my windowless white van?" RULE NUMBER ONE (taught in kindergarten): DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS. does anybody else remember the example of the "darkly dressed man with candy"???

so is the death really MySpace's fault or the fault of 1)the dead one-for being so easily convinced 2)the parents for not teaching them about internet predators 3)the predator. obviously.

perhaps a "being safe on myspace" ought to be included as a section?

apology for the long POV-take it as you like. 4.224.213.220 23:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)Aware, Safe, and ALIVE User

Yes, but Xanga, Live Journal, etc. aren't explicitly social networking sites... in fact, they have complete privacy features, and are not designed with the express purpose of networking... therefore, they're in a different league. You'd do better to compare MySpace to Facebook, TagWorld, or a site like that. 130.126.68.174 05:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's right. MySpace is way more efficient at spreading news. TommyBoy76 12:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)TommyBoy76

High school riot rumors
I heard on some local news channels in the Los Angeles, CA area (KABC7, for example) that Hart High School had half of it's two thousand students missing due to a rumor spread on MySpace that May 2, 2006 was "Bring A Weapon To School Day." That school had a race-related riot the previous Friday. Just thought that the fact that MySpace was able to spread fear among students and their parents might be interesting, though might seem point of view even though I'm not against MySpace.
 * Myspace isn't unique for school rumors, any website can be used and if its interesting enough everone in the school will know about it in about 2 days.Tjb891 02:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Tracker Scams
Something should be said on the rampant tracker scams rolling around.

I think that all you people should just chill out. Not all kids are stupid enough to actually listen to what goes on on Myspace. You should trust your kids and know that you have raised them better then that. I'm a teenager and I'm not stupid enough to post where I live and my home phone number. Most of the time I don't even really tell people how I really look; I lie about that too. Just believe that your kids know better and let them be happy.

Porn robots
Should we put a little thing in about porn robots who message people and send add requests? I am getting these with alarming increasing frequency.


 * Any large community is going to have a variety of issues, unless it's an extreme problem that plaguing the community for a long time, it doesn't sound encyclopedic. Dbchip 00:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking this could get worse but I agree with you. PatrickJ83 06:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

In my book, it has gotten worse. I don't know about anyone else, but I've gotten 10-15 "add me" requests from porn robots a day of late, and I never used to get any. Even when there were a few it was more like 4 or 5 requests a week. It's driving me nuts! But I guess until somebody writes a citable source this won't really feel encyclopedic to me to be mentioned in the main article. I just wish there was some way it could get resolved. 207.192.227.133 12:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC) -22 May 2006

You can get rid of automatically generated adds/messages from porn bots/bands by going to Privacy Settings and ticking the Hide Online Now box.

Terms of Service
There are many musicians who are concerned with the MySpace Terms of Service as it relates to their copyright. Here are a couple of quick links to online discussions: http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/myspacefox-artists-beware http://slashdot.org/articles/05/07/19/179201.shtml and there is much disscussion in DIY punk magazines like Maximum Rock n' Roll and HeartattaCK

I don't see how what I wrote is not NPOV; however if it is, feel free to fix it or tell me what you find non-neutral. But it is a controversy amoungst users and is well documented enough for inclusion. I have reverted and added more references, please post with whatever problem you have with this section. UpThePunx! 00:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This aspect of the terms of service, although it could obviously be abused, is almost certainly merely a way for MySpace to do what it needs to properly present the media (changing file formats, creating song samples, ..image thumbnails, ..the first few lines of a blog, and whatever else they do or might do to put users' content into a nice blogly presentation). They don't intend to take independent musicians' music. After all, most of the stuff on there isn't even worth listening to for free.
 * I have doubts about the reliability of these sources - they are essentially open forums, with unknown authors - and one or both of them starts off by misquoting the terms completely. The article here claims there are a "growing number of bands and musicians" who are uneasy with the situation - yet none are referenced. It mentions "thousands of media outlets .. that could be potential sublicensees", but this is complete speculation and POV. I'm not saying it's right or wrong - it is unsourced. Please find some more reputable sources. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Myspace Celebrities
This section, though quite important in discussing this phenomenon, is continually being altered to include not only profiles that are not myspace celebrities, or up and rising celebrities (which is quite hard to put guidelines to what qualifies as being one) but also the profiles that keep being added (Angela Artillery and Mickee Ltd.) only have about 1,000 and do not have a fan base. The criteria I came up with is having over 15,000 friends as a non-music and non-film profile, and having over 200,000 as a music or film profile, and also having their fame created by Myspace (i.e. pre-exisiting bands or identities do not count).

This article could do with some tidying up
It seems to be written by and for MySpace users. And I'm talking about the ones without public profiles. For example:

"There are many people who are making careers out of promotion on MySpace. From bands, to celebrities, to exotic car dealers, many people have found MySpace to be an invaluable tool for advocating their goods and services. There are automated tools known as bots to help aid in increasing ones reach on MySpace. These bots have proven to be effective, yet annoying for many users."

What's "increasing ones (SIC) reach"? How do the bots serve as an advertising tool? To someone who's never used MySpace it makes very little sense.

And...

"Below this is the "comments" section, wherein the user's friends may leave comments about the user for all viewers to read. Although comments are publicly acccessible, many users leave personal comments anyway, allowing any reader to know their business. Many MySpace users will choose to moderate comments, meaning they must be approved in order to be viewed by the public. Comments, once posted, may then be deleted by the host of that myspace profile or the person who posted the comment for further editing. "

Very clumsy prose, IMHO. 80.247.91.209 14:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete anything that even "remotely" sounds promotional. This is a commercial free encyclopedia--right?  Livin&#39; Large 23:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

This article not only needs some grammatical cleaning up, it is way too long, and most of it is not directly relevant to MySpace. Maybe another article on "MySpace generation" of "the MySpace culture" or something should be made.MikeNM 04:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

"Criticism of MySpace"
While a section concerning how MySpace is perceived and utilized in the community is needed, the "criticism of MySpace" section was wholly poorly done, and flagged with all manner of cleanup tags. Let's move it here and work on it --FuriousFreddy 00:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC):

flickr.com is no longer a valid example of a site that allows users to retain copyright now that yahoo.com owns them.

Terms of Service
A growing number of the bands and musicians with profiles on MySpace, especially those in the DIY punk and hardcore scenes, are uneasy with the News Corporation purchase of MySpace.com.,

These concerns are primarily over this clause in the MySpace Terms Of Service:

"By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services."

News Corporation owns thousands of media outlets, including television and radio stations and at least one record label that could be potential sublicensees. MySpace claims that this clause is needed to ensure that it has the right to host member profiles. However, critics point to many sites, that host content for free that do not require posters to relinquish copyright.

If bands were so concerned with the terms of service, they wouldn't break them by spamming people.

The Terms of Service have changed and MySpace no longer has exlclusive rights over posted material... this part of the article should be changed. : )     (just look at the new myspace ToS and go from there) Joenudell 23:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Accessibility
There are often accessibility problems on users' profiles, stemming from the fact that MySpace is set up so that anyone can customize the layout and colors of their profile page with virtually no restrictions. As MySpace users may not be skilled web developers, this sometimes causes some problems. Poorly constructed MySpace profiles could potentially freeze up web browsers due to malformed CSS coding, or as a result of users placing many high bandwidth objects such as videos and Flash in their profiles.

In addition, the MySpace community is growing. New features have been put on the page, such as video and song sharing, through streaming media. The unprecedented amount of MySpace users joining daily due to these new features, and its media publicity, means that more users are online at any given time. This sudden increase in usage slows down the servers and may result in a "Server Too Busy" error message for many users at peak hours, or a variety of any other error messages throughout the day.

MySpace in educational settings
Many schools and public libraries in the US and the UK have begun to restrict access to MySpace because it has become "such a haven for student gossip and malicious comments". Some private schools have even attempted to ban their pupils from accessing MySpace at home.

In 2006, Del Mar Community College blocked all access to MySpace. Network administrators cited network strain from excessive MySpace traffic as the reason for blocking the social network. According to Del Mar's chief of technology, MySpace was consuming 40% of the college's daily internet bandwidth, impeding on the college's web-based courses. .

MySpace and businesses
Due to the high use of bandwidth and misuse of the computers in various retail stores, businesses are taking measures to block out the website to prevent customers from using their demonstration computers for personal purposes only. One such blocked site was MySpace Videos, which was blocked from a large collection of networks and universities, for creating an excessive amount of bandwidth usage from videos. Additionally, some routers are providing firmware updates that include the automatic banning of MySpace.

Companies with computers available for public use (like Apple Computer) have sometimes prevented access to MySpace to prevent customers from using excessive bandwidth, although Apple Computer reversed its decision and now allows customers to visit MySpace.

MySpace and professionalism
Chicago Tribune's RedEye printed an article concerning MySpace and an individual's search for employment. It was argued that young college graduates compromise their chances of starting careers because of the content they post on their accounts. For instance, a visitor does not need an account to browse for users using information that is readily available on resumes and applications, such as a zip code and age. A potential employer can utilize information provided by the applicant on MySpace's browse component. Thus, the employer may not hire a highly qualified candidate because he or she maintains an account suggesting rambunctious behavior. Moreover, employees were said to be putting their careers at risk because they maintain blogs that criticize their respective companies and organizations.

Security
MySpace allows registering users to be as young as 14. Profiles with ages set to 14 or 15 years are automatically private. Users whose ages are set at 16 or over do not have the option to restrict their profiles, but do however have the option of allowing certain personal data to be restricted to people other than those on their 'friends list'. The MySpace FAQ page does not go into detail about being 14 or 15 in order to have a private page. The full profile of or messaging someone under the age of 16 is restricted to their direct MySpace friends only. According to the MySpace.com Terms of Service (TOS), lying about one's age to make one's profile private defeats the purpose of social networking and is considered fraud. Any profile caught doing it will be deleted. As an alternative, MySpace.com suggests removing restricted information from public view.

Despite the privacy of young persons' profiles, some consider there still to be a risk. It is possible that some may compromise their security and privacy by posting information such as their home address, phone number, or last name due to their lack of experience. This information could, theoretically, put a person in danger. As a result, Fox says that they will post public service ads warning children of those dangers. Also, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has called on MySpace to raise the age limit of their users in order to better protect children by restricting their use.  Republican Pennsylvania Representative Mike Fitzpatrick has also introduced legislation (H.R.5319) to ban usage of the site in public places, such as schools and libraries, and to have the power to tap into usage of the website in those places.

Recently, MySpace has had an alarming number of news reports stating that teenagers have found ways around the restrictions set by MySpace, and have been the target of online predators. In response, MySpace assures parents that the site is safe for people of all ages.

US Navy block
Recently the US Navy blocked access to MySpace from any Navy.mil network, citing acceptable-use policies. Could this be added to the article somewhere? --JimDanger 15:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you can provide a verifiable source, it don't see why there shouldn't be something on this and other examples of organisations restricting access to the site. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Who knows who?
It is kind of an easy task to find out who knows who. Just look at the end of the name with the symbol or letters and compare it to other friends. Do you think there should be an article on that?--MP123 03:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Sexual Assault Suit
A fourteen year old girl is suing MySpace for $20mil for not protecting her. Please update article. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/3984459.html?far Cman 15:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Teens Try to Extort MySpace
It's important that MySpace's legal issues be expressed here just as they've been done with most other companies on Wikipedia. Here's a recent article regarding MySpace and a pair of teenagers who alledgedly try to extort $150,000 from them. Read the article here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/25/myspace_hack_charges/

Addition of a 'Legal Issues' section
I think it's highly appropriate to do so. The news is developing, so there should be a consideration for starting a new article on that case/issue if it blooms over to a full blown legal bonanza. For now, I've written a section on the Myspace wiki. Gunbolt 01:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's especially important to cite reputable sources in such a section. -- zzuuzz (talk) 00:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Most definitely. An issue as sensitive as this requires all the sources, as you said reputable ones, to maintain a npov. Any more addendums would be greatly needed now! Gunbolt 01:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick mention
I'd just like to say that I'm surprised at how massive this page and talk page has gotten since its creation and my time editing it. If I wrote some of the article poorly, I apologize but then that's what wikis are for, aren't they.

By the way, now might be a good time to archive this page. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Top 8
It says in the article, "...which is followed by a Top Friends area. Originally it allowed members of the website to select up to 8 people from their list of friends to be displayed in a certain order as a default on their profile."

I'm not sure if anyone else has been on myspace long enough to remember, but there actually was a time when you couldn't change your top 8...instead, your default top 8 were the 8 people on your friends list who had been members of myspace the longest.

Spazdev3 20:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Celebrities who are members of MySpace
Could you please not erase the links that I put it on the last sentence of this section (MySpace Celebrities) of this article. I originally put this just yesterday on June 30, 2006, in order to prove you guys that they're members of MySpace. User:BigBang19 16:12 PST July 1, 2006

For example:
 * Michelle Branch fixed to Michelle Branch
 * Nelly Furtado to Nelly Furtado
 * Katharine McPhee to Katharine McPhee


 * That is an issue I think should be addressed. The way the article is worded at the end about "wide known" celeberties makes people believe that these artitsts actually take part and run their own myspace profile like a regular person would, even though it's possible, the artists management are the ones to set up the profile and run it. The celebrity could have very little to no part in it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Myrockstar (talk • contribs) 13:35, 7 Jul 2006  (UTC)

Reorganization (concerning sections)
I think its important for this article to discuss the different section (areas) that myspace makes available. Most recently i noticed a comedy section. We should have a list of the different sections and then go into detail on some of them. The MAIN one would be the Music section. There are alot of features which can be explained. (Xsxex 13:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC))

Wikipedia Myspace code
I was just wondering if there is a MySpace code or template made by Wikipedia to proudly show our support for Wikipedia. Namely, something that can be used by Wikipedians who also have a MySpace page? Thanks, any help is appreciated--Merkurix 15:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Should we use the HowStuffWorks.com Article on MySpace?
I think it would help give a more technilogical edge to the article, instead of just having opinions and historical facts and such. The article is good, and it goes a bit into the technology behind myspace.com, which is quite interesting (for those interested in technology, at least). Talk about it. --CanesOL79 04:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Approval of MySpace sub-page
I found this orphaned sub-page: MySpace/Approval of MySpace. It's unreferenced and quite POV so I'm not sure if it'll be useful, but it was certainly relatively lost. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
We really do need for this Talk page to be archived away to make way for a clean slate.. I mean, look at it.... It has, already, at least eighty discussions thereon. Anyone else herein get my drift? DrWho42 22:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Got it. Archiving now. Hbdragon88 00:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)