Talk:Mystic Force Power Rangers

I have made this page a Redirect to Power_Rangers:_Mystic_Force, as these two articles are on the exact same topic. We don't make multiple articles on the same topic on wikipedia, we use redirects to achieve that. If someone disagrees, please discuss this here. --Xyzzyplugh 02:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Disagreement
This is not the same page as Power Rangers Mystic Force. Can't you see these articles are very specific about each Ranger? There is only a few sentences on the main page talking about them. Besides, what about a page repeated for the Allies, Villains and Zords of PRMF?. --Tyar 08:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

My Feelings
I have restored the page. Please anybody, I feel very sad when someone takes it down, especially since I originally created it and it took me hours. I would appreciate anybody to edit it, because that means whoever does it is helping me make my article better. SO JUST LEAVE IT ALONE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO DO USEFUL EDITING! -- Tyar 09:07, 19 March 2006 {UTC)

But this page only serves as a mirror to the information that's already presented in the main article. There are no other pages that serve to showcase each Ranger team incarnation because the information on the Ranger team member is presented in individual Ranger articles. I am putting a redirect here and, if you want to restore it, I shall get an administrator involved and have them make the determination. - The One and Only 14:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have restored the page until this matter is made clear. - The One and Only 15:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I was asked to look into this. I have no stake in the fight, but it seems to me that this article is a fork, and it has to either go or be merged one way or another with the articles that it duplicates. This article duplicates information both in Power Rangers: Mystic Force and Allies in Power Rangers: Mystic Force. In some instances, there is more detail here than in the profiles in other two articles.


 * First, people need to decide what the name of the show is. If it's Power Rangers: Mystic Force (as the logo suggests) then this page is wrongly named. Secondly, people need to decide if they want the profiles all on the same page or split across two or more pages (like the main page and the allies page).


 * If yes, all on the same page, the detailed info here and the info in the allies page should be merged into the Power Rangers: Mystic Force page and a redirect placed. Don't simply redirect this page to that — see what information is here that is not on the main page and see if it can be integrated (within reason and policy of course).


 * If across two or more pages, then either you take all the Rangers profiles and merge it into the main Power Rangers: Mystic Force page and all the allies profiles and stick it in the Allies in Power Rangers: Mystic Force page, or — and this might be a better solution, create a page called, say Power Rangers: Mystic Force characters and chuck all of them into it, with a main article template link to it placed in Power Rangers: Mystic Force and this page redirected to the new page.


 * Either way, though, my view is that the information on this page needs to be merged somewhere else and this page turned into a redirect.


 * Hope this helps. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also personally have no stake in this, I know nothing about the power rangers.  I'm gonna ask those of you who have an interest in this show to fix this situation.  --Xyzzyplugh 15:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Ending this Problem
All right, this is what I will do. I will erase the original info on the rangers on the main page and merge what I did into it. I can do the same with the Allies and the Zords too. Okay. So problem over. THE END Tyar 16:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC}

Udonna - - To Morph Or Not To Morph?
Udonna is a Ranger! She did morph! Watch episodes 1 and 2 and see her as a RANGER! Most people do agree with me! See Power Rangers: Mystic Force main page and see the discussion! There is someone else on my side.

Udonna DID morph. ONCE. While I understand and respect the opinions of the many people on Wikipedia, the fact remains that Udonna is currently without her Ranger powers. Until she regains them, I think she should remain in the Allies section. Is Kat a ranger? Is Ryan (LSR) a ranger? Is Mike (LG) a ranger? Jacen Solo 20:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Udonna morphed once in each part of the two part premiere. That's twice, total. I'm not sure the amount of morphes count and Kat is certainly more of an ally than a ranger (endings parts one and two), but Udonna's powers were taken, but not destroyed, unless Clare lives up to her title and somehow replaces Udonna as a ranger, it seems logical we count here. Oh and Jacen, your antics aren't really helping your "cause". Ryan's Rangerhood is disputed, but only by sentai fans. Mike's Rangerhood is universally disputed as is the Blue Senturian's, The Phantom's and several other "Allies with powers."

To bottomline it: Going by the current standards gfor Ranngerhood, I think should be Udonna counted as a Ranger rather than a simple ally. Ace Class Shadow 20:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
I have two problems here. First User 71.195.151.70 has been repeartedly vandalizing this page with blatant nonsense and abusive commnets. He/she has been blocked before, and probably needs to be again. Second, I have the eps of Mystic force on Tivo, those images Ace Class Shaow removed were used in the episodes "Breaking the Spell part 2" as the core five introduced themselves (and those were their introductions in the captions). I know White Mystic Ranger and Solar Knight Rangers' images were from Magiranger, but what is the harm, since Magiranger footage is the source of most of Mystic Force's action scenes. I will admit that the intro for Daggeron was a rumor, though, and I am sorry, but I don't see any reason for my images to be removed. May I please put them back up? Coronis 20:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

As I recall, the backgrounds for each ranger was change from the generic Magiranger spell seal/Circle to cgi images reflecting each rangers' element. Furthermore, Just because the footage comes from the japanese version doesn't mean images are interchangable can substitute it. Infact, I bet this wouldn't even be debatable in the Magiranger article. Anyway, you also missed the fact that they all used the designation of "Mystic Ranger" in their intros. As in "Red Mystic Ranger". Overall, I made the decision that the photos, as they were used and captioned, didn't fit into the article. If you can get footage from the actual Power Rangers version and provide the correct factual captions, I doubt we'll have a problem. - Ace Class Shadow 20:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I would just give up on this, Coronis. Ace Class Shadow is a Ranger-Nazi. You won't please him, no matter what you do. He goes back on his "rules" so many times with other users it is laughable (first you can speculate about a PR series that won't even be produced for a year, but you can't discuss event that are 99.9% likely to happen, like Koragg turning good). I didn't even realize that your pics weren't from PRMF. Oh the horror, you used Magiranger footage for a mystic force article. Only anal retentives like ACS would have known Qilinmon 21:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Please don't make this into an argument, this issue is between me and Ace Class Shadow, he has his reasons (and though I don't fully understand them) I will try my best to respect them. There is no need to blow this out of proportion. Coronis 21:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Coronis...I think. As for The GIPU "71.195.151.70" a.k.a. "AC", I agree with your recommendation that he be blocked. Definitely a persistant vandal, I'm afraid. And finally, as for my reasoning, I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding it. Ace Class Shadow 21:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Your Welcome Ace Class Shadow...I think, lol. My only query is that when I watched the intros of PRMF they loked just like their Magiranger counterparts, they had the spell seal behind them and everything (minus the time in the corner from my Magiranger DVDs). I was just a litle confused about the difference when used in an article which is directly related to the footage used. Oh, and I did use Magiranger footage for the Knight Wolf article, do you want me to remove the pics? Coronis 21:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Like a stated before, they weren't. They were the same movements, maybe even the same footage, partly, but the backgrounds were completely different. Xander was in a dark green forest, Vida appeared to be in the sky (or perhaps an activate tornado), Chip was in some sort of desert during a Lightning storm, Etc. Madison's and Nick's were probably very similar, i'll grant you, but still didn't have the seal, as i recall.

So, they were different. Plus, the japanese text and the time in the upper corner does matter. I hope both you (Coronis) and Q realize that I don't mean to be...well...mean and whatever decisions i make or help to make, are meant to better articles.

I don't want you to surrender your free will or your common sense, but i'd like you both to trust me. Ace Class Shadow 21:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The Koragg article is a whole different story. We'll have to work on it, though. Ace Class Shadow 21:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the effort you put into maintaining these articles Ace Class Shadow, thats why I usually take your advice. Trust me, I have my own will. In no way is this meant to be argumenative, but I rewatched the footage on the intos from PRMF (on slow-motion) and the seal apears behind each ranger for 1/2 seconds before fading into the elemental backgrounds, so its easy to miss, the Magiranger footage left the seal behind them for a longer period of time, before fading into the same backgrounds. Coronis 02:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Alright. You've made a good case. I guess having them is better than nothing. Don't forget to add "Mystic" to the self-designations, though. Ace Class Shadow 05:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just remove the following statement from Madison's subsection, as it appeared to be irrelevant and had the potential to be offensive. "Has a sexy body, but needs to date & is supported by her sister." If this appears to be a legit point to anyone else, I apologize, but it seemed to be a rather "mature" statement to be placed in an article regarding a children's show. 76.179.227.125 (talk) 07:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
The time in the left upper corner from each image and the kana in the Magimother picture give me the right to remove said pictures. Please, if pics are provided, use those from Mystic Force, not from Magiranger. I still can't understand why some people like to fill Sentai pages with Power Rangers images and vice versa.Cute Dirty Evil Pushie 04:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Laziness. The fact that one show is based off the other and uses similar if not the same suits, props, sets, footage, et cetera makes images "good enough for both". On the over hand, the pictures coming the original japanese version doesn't "give you the right". That aside, the pictures are acurrate depictions. You're just using the difference as an excuse to remove them. I don't really feel strongly either way, though, so whatever. ACS (Wikipedian) 08:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

ACS, as your "wingman" I'm shocked. I'm not "Lazy" I'm still looking for better pics, I just haven't had a lot of spare time. I guess I have to start looking back again (I really wanted a pic of White Ranger standing in the snow, I just haven't found one yet)Coronis 00:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I never said you were lazy. I was just giving a general answer. ACS (Wikipedian) 21:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me, Try |Here

Use The OLD Pictures Though, They are better.

I was joking, ACS, but I'll continue looking for non-Sentai mystic force screenshots (the pics from rangercentral are from Terebi magazine, and since we cant use japanese pics, I'm hesistant to use those)Coronis

well i added some pics......... User:Dragon Ranger

And they are cool! Coronis

I added more high quality pics, as well as pictures for Daggeron and Udonna. --Thrashmeister 00:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Would adding the Legend Warrior pics make it look clustered?71.68.10.11 17:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would. The Rangers are more often seen as their normal form, not their Legend Warrior forms. Ryūlóng 21:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Did I miss something?
According to this article, Vida and Madison now have the surname Grey instead of Rocca. Did the writers decide to change their surnames? I ask this because Ive thought of reverting but want to be sure before I do. Chebo

Nick's Post-Morphing Call
Is it "Fearful as fire" or "Forceful as fire"? The first time he morphed, it was fearful, and I watched a later episode and he said forceful. Did he continue to use "Forceful as fire" in later episodes? I haven't noticed... --Thrashmeister 14:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

When Nick first morphed he actually called out "Fearsome as fire". When the Rangers performed their role call again in Code Busters, I beleive it was, Nick said "Forceful as fire". Its starting to tick me off how the writers cant seem to decide on definitve names for things. I was at one point waiting to see if the Megazord would be renamed the Sorting Hat Megazord --Chebo 21:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

move. Actually, this will be a swap to preserve both articles' overlapping histories. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Mystic Force Rangers → Mystic Force Power Rangers – "Mystic Force Power Rangers" is a more accurate name for the article. It was originally named as such, but then a redirect was made to the series page, when the page was meant to be for the specific characters. The current "Mystic Force Rangers" is a massive update of the last "Mystic Force Power Rangers" restored by the original author. --Ryulong 00:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support as nominator. Ryulong 00:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Support because I believe it is more accurate. --Yongblood 04:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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Something that bothers me...
Can anyone tell me exactly why the Solaris Knight is considered a ranger? I mean, if you look at the page for Magna Defender, it says "The Magna Defender's position as a Ranger is a point of controversy among fans. Points for both sides of the argument can be made, but chief among these points is the fact that Magna 'Defender' doesn't carry the title of 'Ranger'." The Solaris Knight doesn't carry the title of "Ranger," does he? Or is this whole "status as a ranger" thing dependent entirely on the majority fandom, and not on Wikipedia users? If it's Wikipedia, I suggest either question the Solaris Knight's status as a ranger, or consider the Magna Defender a ranger, and move him into the Galaxy Power Rangers article. ø,¸¸,ThRaShMeIsTeR,¸¸,ø 16:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is entirely a fandom thing, but I do agree that the Solaris Knight is more of a Ranger than the Magna Defender. For one thing, he looks more like a Power Ranger than the Magna Defender did (Daggeron has the spandex and helmet) and he is based off of a character that was a Ranger. The Magna Defender was not a Ranger in Gingaman, while the Solaris Knight was in Magiranger. Ryūlóng 19:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Leanbow: Red Koragg Ranger?
Hi. I'm a little new, but I'd like to express my opinion in regards to the addition of "Leanbow" as a Ranger. I get the feeling this addition is being made based on solicitations and not an actual episode. Isn't it a little hasty and inappropriate to state that a character is a Ranger before we have all the facts? Before we've even seen the episode, quite frankly. I mean, I would not presume to say I know better, but I just don't think it's such a good idea. Anyone else? Izhmal (User page | User talk page) 01:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Centralized discussion here. —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Daggeron as Clare's father?
It was never stated, but it seems the most likely idea. In the flash-backs with Leanbow and Udonna, he is always with Niella and I doubt she reprouduced Asexually.
 * I seriously doubt this, and this is not the place to speculate.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 19:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Madison's and Vida's last name
I have never encountered Madison and/or Vida having their last names being mentioned even once during PRMF. Then how does one come to know that it's Rocca? If this information is being taken from Disney's official website for PRMF, then it might not be entirely accurate. For instance, Xander's hobby on that site is mentioned as gymnastics (believe it or not!!)!!! I'm not saying that Vida's and Madison's last name is not Rocca, but is this information confirmed by the producers of the show because to the best of my knowledge, their last names have never been mentioned at any point during the series. About the others, the info's perfectly accurate: Xander keeps mentioning his full name all the time, Chip's (is his first name really 'Charlie'? I have never seen it on the show) last name was mentioned by Madison during 'Broken Spell Part 1' when she filmed him eating a pizza and Nick's last name was mentioned during the episode 'The Hunter' when he was awarded 'Rockployee of the Month'? Can someone please clarify the points about last name and Chip's real name (I mean, Charlie??? Never saw that on the show). Thanks. And, who's the older amongst Madison and Vida? 59.184.135.251 (talk) 09:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

ranger sibling status
why isn't mentioned that Vida and Madison are the first sister to be ranger. they do favor it other so i've always assumed that they are twins.(Inferno17 (talk) 01:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

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