Talk:Mystique (character)/Archive 1

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Is her last name Darkholme or Darkhölme? I'm imagining I've seen it with an umlaut. Ventifax

Creators
It's been stated several places that the character was actually designed/created by Dave Cockrum. At least in an old Wizard article done while he was in the hospital as well as a brief mention on a few websites who reported his death.


 * He also sued Marvel and settled, receiving character royalties. http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/107956708897842.htm

Editorializing
"The position of her naked body and the expression of pain, shame, violation, humiliation and loss on her face make her symbolic to a rape victim."

This may or may not be true, but what does it have to do with the factual description of the events. You might as well say "Mystique's blue skin make her symbolic to a blueberry".

This is not fact; It's exposition, and detracts from the article.

Grammar
The grammar in this article needs to be combed through and cleaned up. Also, at one point, we have a reference to Graydon Creed being homo sapiens as opposed to homo superior, or mutant. However, has it not been revealed that mutants are actually homo sapiens superior and humans are homo sapiens sapiens? Zephyrprince 20:42, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Did some of this today, but only by sections. Probably missed some, since I'm not a Mystique-expert (actually came here reading, not editing). -- nae'blis (talk) 16:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

"trivia"
the trivia section states that only the externals and exodus are older than mystique, with the publication of origin has it not shown that wolverine is, if not older, at least as old as mystique? Olthar 04:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention Apocalypse... 'Poxy is far older.

Removed the line "Mystique may be the most well-known bisexual character in the Marvel Universe." First, this is mere speculation. Second, it doesn't really add anything to the content, and seems to me like a superfluous attempt to trumpet her bisexuality even more. - Daniel

Sherlock Holmes
If "no comics story has yet confirmed" that Mystique is Sherlock Holmes, should this unreferenced speculation be included in the article? If there's actually a cite for that I'd love to see it (and it should definitely be included). -RaCha&#39;ar 23:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC) sherlock holmes was a male dectective in britan in the late 18th century to early 19th mystique is not that old, not even wolverine is, only the immortal people are and none of them are sherlock holmes was a book he's fictional...

I agree that unless it is cited, the sherlock reference is not needed. however, to say that it would not be possible for mystique to be a male detective shows that you may not fully understand mystiques powers. plus, sherlock holmes was set in the 19th century, not the 18th (there is a big difference), and wolverine was born in the 19th century in Alberta, Canada. mystiques powers allow her to become "male" for nearly all practical purposes, and she does not age (so her age cannot be know beyond a reasonable doubt). "more that 80 years old" encompasses a LOT of time.

Fight with Wolverine (movie)
Regardless of how it's phrased, saying that Mystique would have won her fight with Wolverine if she had not fled is still an interpretation, not verifiable fact. It's an interesting topic for speculation and discussion, it just doesn't belong here. Please review the policies on Verifiability, No Original Research, and Neutral Point of View rather than add this claim back in again. --Celithemis 05:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Editing please
The third paragraph has errors and an odd tone in general. I never watched X-Men Evolution, but if someone who did could fix it, it would be much appreciated. --Donquixote
 * Yes, there is something seriously wrong with the "Television" section of this article... "bang'n" is non-standard English and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia unless it is a literal quote ^_^ Can somebody check for accuracy and, um, fix the language? --Skyfaller 20:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Mystique's Age
"Mystique is actually 83 years old...she revealed this after she put in a bid to join the X-men after it was discovered that she was posing as X-Man recruit Foxx."

That's incorrect, she's actually over 100. She mentions in her solo series, issue #17, that she "wasn't born last night, or even last century, for that matter...." So, she's got to be at least 110. In her speech to the X-Men after the whole Foxx incident, you'll notice that her exact words are, "I'm over eighty years old." - Ashes (12/06)


 * Someone had put a 'cite' tag on this statement... I deleted that, since the source of the quote is cited. Noclevername 02:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The Senator's name
The article variously spells it "Kelly" and "Kelley". Which is correct? JamesMLane t c 20:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Robert Kelly is correct. Noclevername 02:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Impending FAC
I'm thinking of submitting this article as a featured article candidate; however, before I do, some references are needed (or otherwise the article will be soundly opposed). Can someone do that please? (I don't actually know which issues it was, since I haven't seen the comics here in Australia, let alone read them.) --JB Adder | Talk 06:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

x-men cable's
shouldn't it be noted that she is one of the x-men seen in cable and deadpool (latest issue) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackjohnson15 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

feminist ?
why did you add the category "fictional feminists" ? Unixer 16:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Just becouse. Anubiz 22:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Spoof
Mystique is spoofed in both Family Guy and Epic Movie (in her movie form rather than her comic form). That should be mentioned somewhere. Paul730 04:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Limitations
Just human shape? In the movie, she assumed the shape of a minature Statue of Liberty. --Menchi 07:43, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a miniature, it was a human sized statue. On the X-Men 1.5 DVD, Bryan Singer says he doesn't know if her becoming a statue was allowed in the comics. --Sketchee 23:32, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Essentially. They've stretched things a few times - having her take on Angel's (feathered) wings and imitating Mojo, but she's always been humanoid or near enough - SoM 00:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

How far can she heal can she grow arms back or is it like Wolverine
 * She has an accelerated healing abilty, but it's nothing like Wolverines. With her, if you cut something off it pretty much stays cut off. ChlorineFriday 01:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)