Talk:Mzilikazi

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the information on Mzilikazi is garbled; most of the details regarding Ndebele migrations is incorrect, and most dates are off by a year or two.

Sources vary, particularly with dates. Which are of concern? --Ctatkinson 03:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I am also uncertain about the accuracy of several dates and I shall check back with details. However, the last paragraph is quite wrong after Mzilikazi's friendliness, there is no gold in Matabeleland; it is in Mashonaland and there was no influx of settlers at all let alone a flood until 1890 onwards and this has nothing to do with Mzilikazi. Mzilikazi is best remembered in South Africa for his 10 year rule of terror as he moved steadily westwards called the 'Mfecane' (the c is pronounced as the click noise made when irritated) and this deserves explicit description in the text--AssegaiAli 15:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Made some additions and alterations as first outlined above--AssegaiAli 16:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The unnamed editor who added the paragraph about alternative theories of the effects of the Mfecane - please insert references because you are disputing a description that is widely accepted and for which there is numerous authoritative support. Otherwise it will be removed --AssegaiAli (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The extract is from S. Lekgoathi, ‘Ethnicity and gender in pre-colonial Ndebele societies in ‘South Africa’’ p.61. (Professor Lekgoathi was chair of the Ministerial Task Team which has just reported on making history a compulsory FET subject)

As to the issue of ‘tribe’, the correlation with a community of language, custom, physical appearance and group identity occurred, and continues to manifest itself, in only a very limited number of cases. This is not new, but goes back hundreds of years. As such, the tribal or ethnic model cannot be a useful category in trying to explain the nature of social organisation and political formation within pre-colonial African societies. Precolonial South Africa was not a static region inhabited by self-contained ‘tribes’ where language determined where individuals or group belonged (as it would become later under the policy of Apartheid) rather, it was marked by considerable social and political instability that gave rise to large-scale dispersal of established communities and the regrouping of new, culturally heterogeneous communities where the sense of belonging was determined by factors other than ethnic identities. Ethnicity was negotiable and reconfigurable; ethnic outsiders were welcomed and offered a place to settle and resources to sustain themselves by rulers who wanted to expand their influence and wealth.

In general, South Africans today have become prisoners to the tribalisation syndrome ‘invented’ by colonialism and entrenched by the apartheid state. This makes it hard for us to imagine cultural fluidity being the norm rather than an exception in pre-colonial Southern African Society. Jyacoubi (talk) 22:36, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Category:Zulu kings
This article is categorized in a category said to be the « Category of Kings ruling over the Zulu people in Zululand. Now part of KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa ». Mzilikazi is a Zulu king but ruled in Matabeleland.

Budelberger (talk) 23:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC).

Nkulumane's grave
Hi,

I'm no expert on the topic, but Nkulumane's supposed grave is in the North of South Africa (unfortunately signposted as "Mzilikazi's grave"!), with a date of death of 1883. According to http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news/printVersion.aspx?newsID=2082, there are differing opinions on what happened to him. Any ideas? --Slashme (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Capital
Mzilikazi's Capital was not called Bulawayo, it was Mhlahlandlela. Lobengula's Capital was Bulawayo. by Nyoniyezwe ka-Tshabangu

(moved from article) Wizzy&hellip; &#9742; 09:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * link please, I trace my liniage from these people! Bobby shabangu  talk  20:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)