Talk:N.W.A/Archive 1

Too much info on the members' solo careers
The N.W.A. entry has far too much info on the members' solo careers, which can be accessed simply by clicking on each member's link. This should be an article on N.W.A., primarily ONLY UP TO THEIR 1991 BREAKUP. Anything after that, be it solo or N.W.A. work, is very insignificant (e.g., done out of nostalgia value for a quick buck) and should only receive passing notice. --- Chris77xyz 15:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Eazy-E is not a "former member"
I changed that before but who's the moron who changes it back all the time? NWA lasted from 1987-91 and Eazy was a member all the time. N.W.A didn't reunite, they just did two songs with some of the members of NWA and Snoop Dogg. Stop writing that Snoop was a member of N.W.A and that Eazy was a former member.

Snoop WAS a member. They decided to do a reunion album where Snoop would replace Eazy E but they never got around to doing more than 2 songs because Cube and Dre had too much of their own shit going on Drumac 02:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The group is (correctly) listed as being active until 1991, so therefore Eazy-E should be listed as a Member. Ice Cube should be listed under "Former Members" for (1986-1989) and Snoop Dogg (1999). For The D.O.C., is propose "The D.O.C. (unofficial)"      Es-won 15:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed it. And some idiot actually put "Yung Eazy-E" as a member. Es-won 21:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * and i think it was yung eaazy himself!

youngest son Elijah "Yung Eazy-E" Strane Wright formed a rap group L.N.W.A "Lil Niggaz wit Additude" which is a reancarnation of the famous gangsta rap group N.W.A..Elijah "Yung Eazy-E"Strane is now working with his new rap group that he formed Dem Daygo NAENAEZ. their myspace url is www.myspace.com/demdaygonaenaez.He is the CEO of Daygo records he is one of Eazy-E's favorite son

OMG Snoop Dogg was never a member he was just featured in a remis dedicated to Eazy-E, Who's dumb enough to think snoop dogg was a member, he was never ever with Ruthless Records.

As I said above, technically Snoop was a member because they were planning on making another album and having Snoop replace Eazy E, but they only made 2 songs before scrapping the idea. But I agree that you shouldn't have Snoop as a member since they never actually made the album. And Eazy E shouldn't be a former member since he died and wasn't kicked out or anything. Ice Cube shouldn't be a former member either because even though he left, he was part of the reunion and if N.W.A ever truly reunited we know he would be involved.Drumac 07:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Reformation
This page should probably include some info on the brief reformation of N.W.A. in the 1990s/2000s - they added Snoop Dogg and did "Chin Check" on the "Next Friday" soundtrack and I think they did another song on one of Ice Cube's solo albums (most likely War and Peace).

They did "Chin Check" and "Hello"Drumac 07:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

FBI letter
This page could probably do with a little more about the FBI (and a lot more general rewriting). The FBI kept tabs on N.W.A. for several years, and it was quite a famous case. 203.59.123.73 05:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Tag for neutrality
For the person who added that: Specify the reasons for that. Specific sentences. C trillos

Ok. "MC Ren also wrote significant amounts of material for the album, making sure he wasn't just the new guy on the team. Eazy-E, despite having most of his songs written by Ice Cube, provided comical relief with his hysterical raps. To top it all off the dual producers Dr. Dre and Yella provided fresh and funky beats for each song and Dre occasionally rapped on the album." Readding npov tag. Swatjester 23:23, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * This NWA article also seems to favor Dr. Dre over the other members, despite the fact that Ice Cube is arguably the best MC in the group. Ice Cube has made multiple critically-acclaimed solo albums. The moment Cube left NWA, the group fell apart. Dr. Dre is a great hip-hop artist, but he has nothing on Ice Cube.

All in all, the section involving Ice Cube and the demise of N.W.A. needs serious cleanup. "Again, many people think that Dr. Dre left N.W.A. for same reason like Ice Cube but that's bulls**t.". We can't have statements like that. Plus, there are so many grammatical errors throughout the article.Jigabooda 00:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

"The moment Cube left NWA, the group fell apart." Now that is definitely POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumac (talk • contribs)

End punctuation for acronym
This article and its attendant category should be moved to become "N.W.A." not its current "N.W.A". The "A" needs its own period. SidP 12:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. Anyone know any good reason it should not be moved? Speak now...--Rockero 00:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It's N.W.A thats how is written in their CD--EZ 22:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, as Ice Cube says, "I don't need you to correct my broken English." I'm pretty sure the group members understood there was supposed to be a period after the "A", but for whatever reason, they left it out. For this reason, I think the original spelling of "N.W.A" should be reinstated at the top of the page. Not really a big deal, but it annoys me when people correct something that wasn't supposed to be correct in the first place. It's a band name, and as we all know band names often flout grammatical convention.

Well it annoys me when people call hip hop groups "bands". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumac (talk • contribs)


 * I think it is OK the way it is now, "N.W.A.". --- Efil4tselaer 02:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * N.W.A - that's how it was ALWAYS written. The MP3 generation might not get this... Es-won 21:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

New album
I think the supposed name of the new albums should be taken off the discography, it could be there forever and even if one does come it will most probably be called something else. --Xdiabolicalx 22:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I changed it to cancelled, however I think the title is still interesting to know and makes to list complete. Lajbi 22:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Ambiguity
The Ice Cube section says, "His political albums are most remembered about the U.S.A. in which he named AmeriKKKa, as well as hypocrisy and addressing issues such as ganglife and racism." What does this mean? The Videography section says, "All videos can be seen in a 2002 VHS release entitled * N.W.A: Elif4zaggin The only home video * The N.W.A. Legacy: The Video Collection, 2002". What does this mean? Tim Ivorson 18 May 2006

Metabiographical?
I hate to sound ignorant, but I can't find a dictionary with this word in it. Is there any way we could choose another word, to clear up some of the confusion?


 * Perhaps metabiographical is to a population what biographical is to an individual. Tim Ivorson 2006-06-19

Who's he?
"He formed the "Niggaz With Attitude" (N.W.A.) with Ice Cube and Tom van Vooren" - who on earth is Tom van Vooren? ChrisTheDude 08:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Battle
N.W.A. dissed Ice Cube in "Real Niggaz" and he answered allready at the end of "jackin' for beats". Check those out and make the story complete.

I'm gonna have to second this for a tagging of the neutrality, also this is written as though someone's saying it. Really not up to the quality standard if I have time I'm gonna go through and try to make it a bit more coherent but as it stands that seems a little pointless given the neutrality issue.

AttitudeS
It's "Niggaz with AttitudeS'. Whoever keeps changing it back to the plain inaccurate/wrong "Niggaz with attitude" should be taken out behind the doghouse and shot. jkl_sem 09:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? In "Straight Outta Compton" Ice Cube refers to his "gang" as "Niggaz with attitude." Where have you heard that it's "with "attitudes?" Jigabooda 00:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
The trivia section needs a serious cleanup. I was tempted to just axe the whole section. EvilCouch 16:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

It really is uglyJigabooda 00:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflict with User:Kemor
All right, I'm going to address this: "Listen EvilCouch, first watch "Beef I" and "And You Don't Stop: 30 Years In Hip-Hop" then you'll see that my text is correct and I really think that I belive Dre and Cube more than your stories.)" Don't accuse me of telling "stories", because I haven't added ANY content to this article. I've been reverting your edits because they are incredibly informally written and lack citations. The Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and needs to be written in that sort of tone. Adding in comments into the article such as "That's wrong" and "but that's bullshit" is so far from an encyclopedic tone as to be borderline vandalism.

There's also the matter of you continously removing The D.O.C. and Arabian Prince from the lineups, without citing any proof. None of the references cited in this article and associated articles agree with you doing that.

If you really want to improve the article, please read the manual of style, how to cite references, verifiability, and neutral point of view before you do any more editing. EvilCouch 16:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

You are a disgrace to this article Kemor, all you do is delete Arabian Prince and The D.O.C., both of whom were members of The N.W.A. What you are doing is vandalism and you should be blocked. Payne2thamax

Gangsta Gangsta
The song "Gangsta Gangsta" was linked so I removed the link because it currently links to some song by lil scrappy. Maybe someone should write an article about the song? It is definitely more memorable than the one by lil scrappy

Lil' Scrappy is a shit-eater. --- 15:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Gangsta Gangsta is a real song by lil' scrappy yes it was also by the N.W.A but still, I didn't see no one complaining about the express yourself N.W.A version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.84.18 (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

New album?
This isn't cited, where can a source be found on this? Please god let it be true.Drumac 21:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "In 2007 The N.W.A. announced plans to reunite with members Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, MC Ren and The D.O.C. and release an album called "This 1'z 4 You"."


 * I HOPE it's true, but I searched the Internet and Google-ed it and I couldn't find ANY information on this 2007 reunion. Even if it doesn't happen (most likely won't, let's face it), there probably WILL be a reunion track or two on Dr. Dre's new album, Detox. So at least we'll have one or two tracks on Detox. I wish these reunion talks were true, but some guy probably just added it there, otherwise something as big as that would have been cited. --- 02:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

People need to stop putting in rumors. Here's what it says now:

"In 2005, it was announced that Dre, Ice Cube, MC Ren and The D.O.C. were going to focus on an album. In 2007, the album WILL be released. ("This 1'z 4 You", the alleged album, is only a rumor. The reunion album may be the soundtrack to Last Friday, Ice Cube's next and last "Friday" film. The group is said to record the entire soundtrack themselves as their own album.)"

What it said before was a rumor and this is a rumor too. Cube hasn't even decided whether he's going to make another friday. People stop putting in rumors, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia.Drumac 07:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree, stop adding rumours like these. --- 21:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Krazy Dee
who the F is Krazy Dee and since when is he an original member of N.W.A.? I've never heard of the dude before and he isn't mentioned anywhere else except the Eazy E section. Was he featured on N.W.A. and the posse? Because he sure wasn't on Straight Outta Compton.Drumac 06:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I know! First time I saw his name added to the article I just removed it, thinking it was some vandalism or something, but someone kept adding him back, and when I looked at his article it said he was an original member of N.W.A.. I mean, I NEVER heard of this guy, I heard of guys like Arabian Prince, but I never heard of this guy. --- Efil4tselaer 20:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone added Krazy Dee as one of the original members of N.W.A., which i believe he is not. You must remember the first album "N.W.A and the Posse" featured a lot of rappers that weren't a part of the group, just affiliated with them. Drumac 23:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

it appears he was an original member of nwa even if he didn't feature on straight outta compton. eazy e does mention him on 8ball68.164.80.10 01:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Krazy Dee later went by K-Dee and was one of the founding members of Ice Cube's Da Lench Mob. Not to be confused with J-Dee, Lench Mob's eventual lead rapper and convicted murderer.

wrong idea about lil scrappy
i am wondrin who says that lil scrappy is "Lil' Scrappy is a shit-eater" i can proooooove that lil scrappy is one of the most gangsta rap in the whole us and "gangsta gangsta" one of the fabolous songs you should belive that


 * I do not care, does his music have any meaning? Will he be remembered like N.W.A. is being remembered for defining gangsta rap? No, he will not. Is he a lyrical genius like Nas, is he like Tupac? Is he like Eminem, Dr. Dre, or Ice Cube? No, he is not. Also, I saw the video for his shitty "Gangsta Gangsta" song, I think he plays too much Grand Theft Auto. --- Efil4tselaer 22:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. 10 years from now, Lil Scrappy will not be remembered, except maybe for killing the rap music industry. --Drumac 02:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

absolotly right that we are not going to compare lil scrappy with any one from the old school i agree with you but we should give hem (lil scrappy) some lil respect ice cube, tupac, easy e, bone thugs-n-harmony, they had great lyrics cause they had something to sing about, poverty, rasism....... but now-a-days there is nothin negative they had money they had cars they every thing they want, ice cube for example in his old tracs he had good lyrics and now check his last album "laugh now cry later" he has the same lyrics with lil scrappy's album rap is not only words it is olso how to say the words

True, Ice Cube's last album wasn't as good as his earlier ones (even though i liked the beats better), but he hasn't lost his lyrical skill. even that album is better than anything lil scrappy can come up with.

nwa 2007-present?
nwa is not back together, wtf is this about? -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  04:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

some idiot thinks there is a reunion album. I removed it. And until there is a credible source it should stay that wayDrumac 06:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

wtf?
someone removed the entire overview section. i put it back in but it might need to be changedDrumac 06:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

""No Vaseline", accusing N.W.A. and their associates of a variety of failings, including being phonies, fools, and homosexuals"

I disagree. He didn't mean they were homosexuals. "getting fucked out your green with no vaseline" was a metaphor for Eazy and heller cheating the rest of N.W.A. out of money. In fact I see a lot of things in this section that could be said in better words, but right now I'll stick to changing everywhere it says "band" to group. cheers.

The DOC was a member of N.W.A.
"He did admit never being a member of N.W.A. but rather their official writer and temporary vocal replacement"

I really doubt he said that. You can read in all his interviews and he takes credit for doing most of the work and i can quote him on saying something to the effect of that there wouldn't be an N.W.A. without him. After all, he did write most if not all of Eazy E's and Dr. Dre's lyrics.

Members
Is there any need for the sections on members, given that they each have an article? --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 11:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No, there isn't, remove all of it, this page should at most mention what the members did after they left in one or two sentences. --- 72.142.212.28 20:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

wack names
man, just remove all the comedy names from the historical line-up section. if you were there and lived it, you've been dissed by the fools adding that nonsense. "keep babylon on the run, seen." peace!

N.W.A
how about changing the article to how the group ALWAYS wrote it?? most of the other-language wikis list them as "N.W.A" (not "N.W.A.") too. Es-won 14:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Agree, done. --Flesh-n-Bone 21:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Wtf?
Some of the timelines in here don't match up at all, and the articles that focus on solo careers fail to mention the "former" members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.234.82.253 (talk) 18:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The D.O.C.
The section for the DOC does not make any damn sense Mcanmoocanu 15:55, Jan 13 2007 (UTC)

Well then make it make damn sense!

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Shut the fuck up and i will. Mcanmoocanu —Preceding comment was added at 03:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Eh..... WTF
Wheres this article gone?? All thats here is a highly offensive Racial Slur —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apope 8 (talk • contribs) 14:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Advice needed...
A couple of anonymous IPs have made various edits in the past to the article on the small town of Crediton in England, claiming that N.W.A performed there in 1993. The latest version of the claim states:
 * In 1993 N.W.A. re-formed to perform a small concert in what was the old liberal club of Crediton; they performed a reworking of their song Straight Outta Compton entitled Straight Outta Kirton. There has been some recent debate about the validity of claiming this as a true NWA performance, as not all members were present. Several photographs of the event are visible in the cd insert from the single Chin Check and one is also featured in the cd insert from The Best of N.W.A. - The Strength of Street Knowledge. The event is documented in Ronin Ro's 'Dr Dre: The Biography' and 'The Day Eazy-E Died (B-boy Blues)' by James E. Hardy.

I had assumed that this was an elaborate joke - it seems highly unlikely to me - but I've no immediate way of checking the references. Can any editors on this article either verify it or confirm it is indeed a hoax? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This "debate" is still going on. Can anyone provide hard, irrefutable evidence either that it did or didn't happen? Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

1986
Really man, they didnt start in 1986, it was 1987 cause that was when Eazy and Heller founded Ruthless Records. Mcanmoocanu
 * Just because they started Ruthless in 1987, doesn't mean it was formed that year. Agtax 02:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The D.O.C. was NEVER a member of N.W.A
he never joined n.w.a look up d.o.c. interviews he even says it there. the n.w.a and the posse album was a bootleg combing a demo of Fila Fresh Crew and N.W.A' ep which was titled N.W.A and had only had n.w.a songs. but d.o.c. was never part of the group. however K-Dee was part of the group but left without releasing any songs with them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwhat (talk • contribs) 00:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)