Talk:N.W.A/Archive 3

cleanup?
A cleanup tag was added to this page with the explanation that the article needs to be shorter and have more references. I find I completely disagree. The length seems reasonable, it's certainly nowhere near the longest page I've seen, and there are 18 sources cited. If there are specific items that need references or should be removed, let's discuss them here, or add tags to the unsourced stuff at least. I don't see any need to start arbitrarily chopping the article down just because one user decided it was too long. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

repeatedly added misinformation
The band lineup was correct -- altering it and adding orthographically incorrect information that is included in articles dealing with the single members in further detail, does not improve the quality of the article, quite on the contrary.

Julio G was not an N.W.A-associated act -- he never recorded anything for Ruthless Records and was not featured on any of their releases.

"N.W.A and the Posse" is not an N.W.A album, but a compilation of various singles that were released by Macola Records.

"Boyz-n-tha-Hood" is not an N.W.A song, but an Eazy-E song. esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Date of Ice Cube's departure
I notice here and Eazy-E's timeline page both say Ice Cube left N.W.A in January 1990, yet many sources are claiming it was 1989. I changed the date on this page one time before it was reverted. 1989 seems to be more accurate because N.W.A.'s Discogs page says Cube left that December, while their biography Allmusic claims he left in late 1989 and DJ Yella (also a member of N.W.A.) claims in this interview that he hadn't seen him since that same year. The 1989 in music page also says he left on December 23rd of that year. I also have a copy of the Spin book Alternative Record Guide which also says he left in 1989. 76.191.133.247 (talk) 02:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Parliament Funkadelic
Am not really knowledgable on this subject and therefore do not want to mess with the contents, but I was quite amazed that this article does not contain one single reference to Parliament/Funkadelic/Bootsy while so many NWA beats and songs owe so much to their tunes (on Efil4zaggin in particular). In my view the term 'G-Funk' explicitly refers to the 'P-Funk' heritage of this style. I think NWA was a great act in its own right so it's not about that, but the importance of the P-funk style to NWA's music in my view merits a reference in this article (although I realize that many other acts were sampled too). Vunzmstr (talk) 11:45, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism
The name of the group has been changed to L.W.A. and the artists' names have all been changed to Gines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.22.228.31 (talk) 20:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

N.W.A never got back together
The rap group did not get back together in 1999. Dre, Snoop, Ren, and Cube all collaborated on "Chin Check" and were in the Up in Smoke Tour, which was headlined by Dre and Snoop. Regardless, if you can find a reliable source ( STRICTLY MEETING WP:RS GUIDELINES), you can definitely challenge this statement. But simply posting that N.W.A was formed again without proper citing WILL BE REVERTED. Besides, N.W.A isn't NWA without Eazy. RIP E. Crowz  RSA  01:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Release date and cast announced for NWA:Straight Outta Compton (2015)
http://www.accesshollywood.com/nwa-straight-outta-compton-movie-gets-release-date-first-cast-photo_article_95622
 * http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/n-w-a-straight-outta-compton-dr-dre-ice-cube-summer-2015/
 * http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/bourne-sequel-release-date-change-2016-justin-lin-jeremy-renner/
 * https://twitter.com/icecube/statuses/479323476507885569 // https://twitter.com/drdre/status/479323018448363520/photo/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.21.238  (talk • contribs) 22:48, 18 June 2014

N.W.A vs N.W.A.
(Related old discussions here and here.) Wikipedia has images of the first single and the first album, and both say "N.W.A.", with a period after the A. The official website of the 2015 film about N.W.A. (produced by Ice Cube and Dr. Dre) also uses "N.W.A." on the STORY page. I think in written text, the hip hop group was/is "N.W.A." and it was/is frequently styled "N.W.A". If I'm not mistaken the article title should be "N.W.A.", because N.W.A. is an abbreviation of Niggaz Wit Attitudes, and "N.W.A" is just how they frequently stylized it. Just compare it with the article about, for example, Just Do It, which is stylized as "JUST DO IT." with all capitals and a period. Or Korn, stylized as KoЯn. CNET, stylized as c|net. TVXQ, stylized as TVXQ!, with the exclamation mark. NSYNC, stylized as ★NSYNC. Maze (Kumi Koda song), stylized as m•a•z•e. And so on. See the early album covers, they used "N.W.A." because it's an abbreviation. "N.W.A" without the period is just stylization. I can go on and on with examples. On Wikipedia we never use the stylization as the article title. REC 3: Génesis, stylized as [REC]3 Génesis. Mac and Chiz, stylized as Mac & Chiz. Starz, stylized as Starz! and later starz. And so on. I think what tricked the editors who picked the current article name for N.W.A. is that the difference is only one period. But "N.W.A" really is just a stylization. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 02:23, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The lead should just say: "N.W.A. (an abbreviation of Niggaz Wit Attitudes, frequently stylized as N.W.A) was [...]" --82.136.210.153 (talk) 02:30, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 11 April 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved  Kharkiv07  Talk  18:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

N.W.A → N.W.A. – See my reasoning above. 82.136.210.153 (talk) 02:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose move to N.W.A. (band) see N.W.A. (disambiguation)/NWA. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:17, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * National Wrestling Alliance is another contestant for N.W.A., with hundreds of views per day. But isn't the band the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? The band has been getting thousands of daily views for years. Jan 2010 Jan 2011 Jan 2012 Jan 2013 Jan 2014 Jan 2015 Mar 2015 Apr 2015 But, yeah, N.W.A. (band) would also be fine. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 11:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose per In ictu oculi "N.W.A." should be repointed to NWA as they are grammatically equivalent, and pedantically, the proper spelling of NWA abbreviations is "N.W.A." -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 11:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose One day late, but still, for the same reasons as my above co-editors. esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, seems like 4 out of 4 agreed In ictu oculi (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not a vote or a competition. The reason I want to move the page is to add the period. As I wrote above, N.W.A. (group) or something similar - I think group is better than band - is an acceptable solution if consensus is that the group is not the primary topic. I don't see a lot of discussion about this. You wrote "see N.W.A. (disambiguation)/NWA" which isn't an argument or explanation by itself. I'm aware that there is a disambiguation page, I just feel that the group may be the primary topic, given the thousands of daily views it has been getting for years. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. As other abbreviations, it should be abbreviated without periods (Manual of Style). Vlādis Mānisqā (talk) 06:19, 14 April 2015 (UTC).
 * Thanks for the comment. It looks like a move to NWA (group) may be the new obvious choice, given all the previous contributions in this section. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 09:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Wrong info right off the bat
Said NWA was #83 of Rolling Stones "100 greatest artists of all time. That's Eminem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.193.33 (talk) 23:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC) Perhaps you should follow the link, directly to RS and they are #83

Roadium Location
It's in Torrance, not Gardena — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asbasb (talk • contribs) 13:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Was/Is
Why does the opening paragraph refer to the group as in the past tense. Contrary to the above person arguing that because one of them is dead, the band is dead. So long as even just two of them are alive and do reunions, a group typically remains in the present tense (like The Who, for example). ZarhanFastfire (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Straight Outta Compton release date
The release date for Straight Outta Compton should probably be changed from 1988 to 1989. In at least two interviews, Ice Cube claimed that Straight Outta Compton was actually released in 1989. He told Complex that N.W.A. "came out" in early 1989, which indicates the release date of Straight Outta Compton, and in another interview, he said it dropped in 1989. Also, at 10:08 mark in the documentary about Eazy-E, he mentioned an album coming out in January, which also indicates that Straight Outta Compton wasn't released until 1989. 2602:306:BDA9:8610:C000:26FE:DFED:BDB2 (talk) 04:09, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Google image search "Straight Outta Compton back album cover". Vinyl, cassettes , and CDs read copyright 1988 Priority Records.HENDAWG229 (talk) 21:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Appearance as 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominee
Can someone with editing privileges add that under an 'Awards' section? Mainstay17 (talk) 05:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Ni-ggers with Attitude
The ni-ggers should only have a single attitude, not multiple. 99.238.167.214 (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sources have it as plural.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 22:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * More sources have it as singular. A Google search for "niggaz with attitude" turns up 42,000 results, a search for "niggaz with attitudes" only 14,000. A Google Books search for "niggaz with attitude" turns up 1,920 results, a search for "niggaz with attitudes" only 163. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.251.6 (talk) 11:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2016
This edit is to be added to the influence section of the wiki document

N.W.A played a vital role in enlightening the youth of the streets and its impacts in society. Rap artist Kendrick Lamar grew up on the streets and talks of how N.W.A opened his eyes and felt as if they spoke on his behalf as well as other individuals in the Compton community.

http://search.proquest.com.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/iimp/docview/1717170744/6CEE63114A6842A0PQ/6?accountid=8360

Edawalt (talk) 22:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Cannot assess the source provided. Please provide a citation or direct link to the work. The link you provided is only available to U of Arizona students/faculty. Also, your suggested edit does not seem very neutral.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 22:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: --allthefoxes (Talk) 04:00, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2016
Police brutality was a major issue during the time of N.W.A formations. Some members even experienced their own run ins with police brutality. N.W.A used this hot topic to one of their biggest hits, Fuck Da Police. This song fueled a fire between the people and law enforcement. Law enforcement created a grudge against the group refusing to protect them. They even tried to censor the group. N.W.A brought a voice to the people who suffered. The group brought attention to the issue and created a way for people to also express their concerns.

Alex.miranda.97 (talk) 02:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 03:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Associated acts in the infobox
So let's have a discussion about each artist that appears in the infobox as an "associated artist", keeping in mind the instructions at Template:Infobox musical artist. Why is that particular artist associated? References?

There's nothing to prevent us from talking about an important association in the article body, supported by reliable sources, but we should reserve the infobox for the most important associations, the ones that are commonly discussed in the literature as being connected to N.W.A.

Thanks in advance. Binksternet (talk) 16:09, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2017
While reading this article, under the section regarding "Influence," the first sentence includes a 'citation needed' insertion:

Although the group disbanded in 1991, they remain one of the greatest and most influential hip-hop groups, leaving a lasting legacy on hip hop music in the following decades.[citation needed]

My own book has already been used as a reference earlier in this article, as reference number 4.

White, Miles (2011). From Jim Crow to Jay-Z: Race, Rap and the Performance of Masculinity. Urbana, Illinois: University of Illinois Press. pp. 64; 74. ISBN 978-0-252-03662-0.

Since I concur with what the sentence says, and have written as much, I suggest for the 'citation needed' suggestion in the first sentence of the "Influence" section, that the following citation be inserted, in which I have indicated the appropriate page numbers in my book that supports the statement:MilesWhite (talk) 13:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)< White, Miles (2011). From Jim Crow to Jay-Z: Race, Rap and the Performance of Masculinity. Urbana, Illinois: University of Illinois Press. pp. 64; 74. ISBN 978-0-252-03662-0.> MilesWhite (talk) 13:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅. Thanks for helpful note. Binksternet (talk) 14:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2018
I wish to add Some unlisted N.W.A members 4 this article if you dont mind. Hopsin Fan1 (talk) 05:25, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
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