Talk:N. T. Wright

Concern about Auburn Avenue paragraph

 * Most recently N.T. Wright has been involved in the controversy over Auburn Avenue Theology which is also known as the "Federal Vision", which has some overlap with the 'New Perspective on Paul.'

What exactly does "involved in" mean? I am not aware of him being directly involved in the controversy in the States; only that others have read his work and it has influenced them. The paragraph above implies a direct involvement. David L Rattigan 07:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * he has been a speaker at the conference where Federal Vision was first described. So that is fairly direct.  The theological connection has not yet been made clear on either of these pages, however. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 17:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * By that definition, then Richard Gaffin has been "involved in" the Federal Vision since he was also a speaker at the same conference. Yet, Gaffin is an outspoke critic of FV.  Wright is not "involved in" the Federal Vision controversy.  That is an American controversy largely contained with the Presbyterian Church of America.  Being a Continental Anglican, I don't seen how one can say that Wright is "involved in" it.  I think what the original writer meant was that the Federal Vision writers draw from Wright's theology, but the opposite does not appear to be the case.  But if being "involved in" simply means the FV speakers, bloggers and writers are drawing from a theology to make their argument, then we have to include John Calvin as being "involved in" as well, since he's just as important to those writers as anyone living.  I deleted the reference, since it's not true.  Unless someone can produce evidence that Wright identifies in some way with that group, I don't think mention should be made.  Scunning 18:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Scunning, good response, perspective and points. I struck out the word 'yet' in my comment above.  I agree completely- citable evidence ought to be produced, or it should not be mentioned. Thanks.  「ѕʀʟ·✎」 20:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Creating a summary of his "Christian Origins" series thus far
While his lectures and journal articles are easily available on www.ntwrightpage.com, I wonder if a summary section would be in order for the contents of his massive "Christian Origins and the Question of God" series would be in order here. Though Andrew Perriman has done a fine job over at OpenSourceTheology.net in doing this, one has to wonder if it wouldn't be just wonderful to see a summary of his work also on his Wiki.

Would anyone else be interested in compiling this. FWIW, I have read all three books and several other of his books, and would be happy to punch out the first cut of the section. (Author -- Cascadian1)

Wright's opinion of his WP page
In line with WP:SELF, I've removed this edit


 * "On November 18, 2008, at Longfellow Hall, a lecture hall of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, NT Wright responded to the mention of his Wikipedia entry by Samir Paul. His response stated that approximately one-third of the entry was factually incorrect."

... but if anyone can tell us what Wright thinks is wrong with this page, we can address it. Peter Ballard (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Styles
Although Dr Wright was Canon Theologian at Westminster Abbey between 2000 and 2003, he was not styled The Revd. Canon as he already held the higher title of The Very Revd. having previously been Dean of Lichfield.
 * I disagree with this statement. I understand that the person holding an office uses the title associated with that office, except in the case of a bishop.  For example, Lord Hope was Most Reverend but is now Right Reverend.  Similarly the Dean of St Paul's was previously Bishop of Sodor and Man, therefore he is the Right Reverend the Dean of St Paul's (not Very Reverend).  The only way, as I see it, that someone retains a title higher that their office or ordination is is they have been granted an emeritus title when they retire, eg. Archbishop Tutu.

Dodgerjammy (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you are wrong. When R L P Milburn was Master of the Temple Church in London, having previously been Dean of Worcester, he was always styled "The Very Rev R L P Milburn".  Since the Temple is the precinct of the barristers and judges of two of the Inns of Court I think they would have followed correct usage.  In fact, it is usual for styles to survive the office in England; another example would be Circuit Judges who are "His Honour Judge Bloggs" when in office and "His Honour John Bloggs" when retired - thus, although the title of Judge ends with the office, the style of "His Honour" does not.  Cheers.  Chelseaboy (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It depends, as I understand it, Deans (and formerly provosts) are sometimes granted the title of dean emeritus, in which case they continue to use the style Very Revd, toehrwise they revert to Revd (or whatever other style is appropriate). David Underdown (talk) 10:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Portals
I placed portals in article and gave it a rating. It could be B-Class or better if some more effort would be applied. Every section should have a proper reference. Ideally it should be every paragraph. Issue above seem resolved and article seems stable at this point. Enfermero (talk) 22:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

External links section
I removed the following ELs because they seem to violate various aspects of WP:EL. Some might be useful if worked in as inline references (some certainly not), though, so I am pasting them here (as they were):
 * The N. T. Wright Page, an unofficial website that collects a panoply of articles, sermons, interviews, and audio by and about Wright
 * Adversaria features an extensive biography of N.T. Wright.
 * Audio of Lectures Wright gave on Space, Time, and the Sacraments.
 * Summary of Christian Origins and the Question of God by Andrew Perriman on Open Source Theology
 * Nightline Faith Matters - Bishop's Heaven: Is There Life After the Afterlife? Wright Offers New Perspective on Heaven and Hell
 * The Bishop on Comedy Central, Wright appearance on "The Colbert Report" 19 June 2008
 * Inner Compass - "Enjoying the Bible" TV Interview
 * Inner Compass - "Enjoying the Bible" audio mp3
 * Interview with N.T. Wright on "Surprised by Hope" by ReadTheSpirit.com
 * Interview with N.T. Wright on "After you Believe" by ReadTheSpirit.com
 * "The Narrative of Scripture and Justification by Faith: A Still Fresher Reading of Paul" (PDF) by Mark A. Seifrid (a critique of Wright's narrative theology from the 2006 Symposium on Exegetical Theology at Concordia Theological Seminary)
 * "The Doctrine of Justification in the Work of N.T. Wright" a series of critical lectures by Bill Wilder of the Center for Christian Study (with accompanying slides)
 * Interview with Piper on Wright, by John Piper, an evangelical critic of Wright.
 * Time Magazine Interview "Christians Wrong About Heaven, Says Bishop"
 * Lutheran Partners magazine review of Simply Christian

Novaseminary (talk) 14:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Citations to help editing
This section is intended to provide citations to help editors working on the N.T. Wright article. drs (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)




 * This is by Wright and has limited value in the article. It does provide background material on some of the concepts he holds. Recall the criticism that the article has got some of the facts wrong. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 3 April 2014

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus to keep the current title. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

N. T. Wright → Tom Wright (bishop) – I propose that, while Wright is known in academia as "N.T. Wright", his WP:COMMONNAME is Tom Wright (which must then be disambiguated). Some sources which indicate his common name include:
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Survey

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 * Oppose. For one thing, the current title avoids the necessity of disambiguation. He tends to use "N. T." for scholarly work, and "Tom" for popular/church work. But the thing is, he is best known as a scholar, and that will certainly be his lasting legacy. I notice that his twitter handle, which was linked to, is "profntwright", and the latest tweet was linking to an article called "Surprised by N.T. Wright". StAnselm (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per StAnselm. The two name options appear to be roughly equally common; the current title has the advantage of naturally disambiguating, so it should remain. Xoloz (talk) 03:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

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Rapture in intro
The intro's presentation of his rejection of the concept of a literal rapture makes it sound as if we're saying "He's traditional on these matters, but on the other hand, he rejects the rapture, co-wrote with an outspoken liberal, and advocates Open Evangelicalism and New Perspective". Is that a reasonable interpretation, or am I misunderstanding it? One doesn't typically hear the term nowadays except in a Left Behind sense, and the body of the article seems to say that he's rejecting a Left Behind sense. If that's what's meant, we need to remember that such an idea is very much an innovation, not something accepted throughout the history of Christianity. Nyttend (talk) 03:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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