Talk:NASCAR/Archive 3

Jimmie Johnson
Jimmie Johnson has won four consecutive titles (in the Sprint Cup Section): Jimmie Johnson has won the last three consecutive Sprint Cup Series drivers' championships. He is the first winner of three in a row since Cale Yarborough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.81.81 (talk) 21:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Way Too Much Feeling and Not Enough Facts
Can we cut out the nonsensical concern about the Confederate flag and about how environmentalists will be the end of racing and just get this article cleaned up? First of all, the article needs WAY more detailed information (both general to circle burning and to NASCAR, specifically). Check the NHRA site. (It would be a very useful template for NASCAR.) They have lots of safety and rule information NOT listed here. There are grids, schedules, past winners, and justifications for changes. Unlike NHRA, all NASCAR vehicles, on a given day must have very similar equipment and identical setups and rules for many things. Let's have 'em, boys! (start by adding a section on restrictor plates. ThanksHomebuilding (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Series Name Changes are not Official Until 2008.
Before I start explaining let me present the sources of when the Name changes are official. The NEXTEL name change source on the name change date is here at http://www.jayski.com/teams/Nextel.htm and the Busch Series Name change is at http://www.jayski.com/busch/archive/2007oct-bgn.htm (Scroll down to the Oct 3rd Articles). The dates on the Changes are NEXTEL will become Sprint Cup Series on January 1st, 2008 Now according to Jayski (If you don't like the source I have found AP quoting the same thing) the Busch Series will become the Nationwide Series at the "start of the 2008 Season" (The season begins February 16, 2008), but consensus stats January 1st on the Talk:Busch Series page. I have also read WP:Name and Naming conflict on Wikipedia:Naming conflict under Section 3.1.1 it states that under objective criteria that specifically mentions "Is it the Current name of the Subject?" The answer is the Current name of the Subject on the Series Name is still currently "NEXTEL Cup series" and "Busch Series" until 2008. So in closing the names should stay until they become official per the sources and Naming conflict.  Sawblade05  (talk to me undefined my wiki life) 14:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I absolutely agree. The names should stay the same until at least the first of January. I've been reverting edits, particularly by one anonymous user, back to the current name because I feel that it will still be referenced as the “NEXTEL” and the “Busch” series until at least sometime next year (I also think the awards banquet will reference the current names). Caster23  talk  contribs 17:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree. Changing them early should be considered vandalism.Mustang6172 (talk) 22:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think calling the changes vandalism is a little harsh, especially the way you worded it in this edit summary] when consensus had not yet been reached. --Michael Greiner 02:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The Craftsman Truck Series has been officially changed to the Camping World Truck Series. Xanthais (talk) 21:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)Craig Haasis

Do you mean it will be called redneck racing from now on?...lol.... Norum (talk) 00:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

NASCAR Criticism
The "criticism" components of this article have become dominant. This varies quite a bit from the other professional league and sanctioning body articles. The issues certainly bare documenting, but seem to detract from what should be the NASCAR-focus of the article. I've created NASCAR Criticism and moved those sections there. - Thaimoss (talk) 22:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Much of it is already in Ciolation of WP:NPOV policy, so you should had just removed all the unsourced POV's on it. Now I am considering it for WP:VFD.  Sawblade05  (talk to me undefined my wiki life) 22:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And the article has been listed for AFD at Articles for deletion/NASCAR Criticism  Sawblade05  (talk to me undefined my wiki life) 22:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't we touch on the issue of the track being oval? Most of the criticism I hear is the lack of turns on NASCAR tracks. 24.211.249.43 (talk) 21:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's more a criticism of oval track racing than NASCAR.Mustang6172 (talk) 23:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

My tweaks to Nationwide Series section...
Hi there...I don't mean to barge in and screw up anybody's hard work, but in reading the Nationwide section particularly, I noticed quite a few references and terms which wouldn't necessarily be understandable for a newbie to the sport. (I try to write as though the eventual reader has a brain, but might not have the terminology or background to understand what I'm writing about, and in looking at that section I noticed a few spots where I could contribute.) If you completely hate the changes I made, or if you find factual errors (though I certainly HOPE I didn't introduce any!) by all means change it. And if I changed your stuff, please take it in the spirit in which it was intended--I mean no insult to anyone. (Well, except maybe Junior Nation...I'm kidding, I'm KIDDING!!!:::runs away in fear of her life::::)Gladys J Cortez 04:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you did a good job save for a small factual error.Mustang6172 (talk) 07:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehehe...see, THAT's what I get for editing when I oughtta be asleep...little details like totally forgetting what year it is. :) Thanks! Gladys J Cortez 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a note...
In light of all the vandalism from IPs and recently-established accounts, I've requested that this page be semi-protected (no IP edits, no accounts less than 4 days old). Apparently an admin has agreed with me; we're under semi-protection for 2 weeks. Hopefully by then, the small minds will have given up.Gladys J Cortez 20:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

the starting place of many nascar drivers
tony stewart is one of the most famous nascar drivers in the world is tony stewart. he started his career when he was a young boy at portland quarter midget racing association. a quarter midget is a small car with a roll cage and five point safety harness. the drivers are 5 to 16 years old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.212.233.98 (talk) 06:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * True; so what? NASCAR does not sanction quarter-midgets, nor go-karts.  These are starting points not just for NASCAR drivers but for Indy-car racers, endurance sports-car racers, drag racers, and others in the sport.  I don't think anything needs to be added to the NASCAR article, but we should review WP's coverage of quarter-midgets in other articles.  Are there any reliable secondary sources covering the PQMRA?  Also, I doubt they used five-point harnesses when Stewart ran there; the submarine strap was probably added later. Barno (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The driver's infobox needs amending
Dario Franchitti's (example) says "All stats current as of November 20, 2007. " Stats? Cheap and nasty informality if I ever saw it. Surely Wiki should have a higher standard than that. Could I suggest it defaults to "Statistics current at (date)"? 222.153.66.18 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be nice if we could insure the stats were current to that date, but we really can't. It would take a huge, corroborated effort to check 100's of pages a day. I don't see it as possible. Also this talk page is only for discussion on this article, NASCAR, not general discussion of NASCAR related topic. I suggest that you post at Wikiproject NASCAR for proper discussion. --Michael Greiner 23:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I must be losing my touch. I thought I had made it clear -- for each driver there is a different date, which is the day the statistics are updated for that driver. Hundreds of pages would not have to checked each day at all. Using Franchitti as example, his record would be amended after each race, (or two or three etc depending on the keenness of editors), and the day that info was changed in his article, would be the date stated in the infobox as the current info. If you think we can't ensure statistics are accurate current to a given date, then that information has no place in the infobox at all. However, that's only part of my quibble. Use of the word "stats" is an awful sloppy standard for an encyclopedia. Thanks for directing me to Wikiproject NASCAR where I will transfer this thread. Cheers.  222.153.66.18 (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC).

NASCAR vs. CART
Does anyone have data on NASCAR's popularity compared to CART before the split? 82.135.67.59 (talk) 21:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The series formerly known as CART was an open wheel series and split with INDYcar not NASCAR. So it would have little affect on NASCAR's popularity. Champcar (what CART changed its name to) has since combined with INDYcar and the series is know known as IRL (Indy Racing League). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toughguy223 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, but the way the IndyCar series split left a lot of alienated racing fans - many chose NASCAR as their new racing series. I was one of them.  Royal broil  01:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to: NASCAR and Emissions
I am very surprised no environmentalists have tried to shut NASCAR down fo burning so much high octane fuel. Or, are there some environmentlists trying to ruin the great American sport!! I haven't heard about any though.

(29058000071733lc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 29058000071733lc (talk • contribs) 14:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That section I believe was not a true statement and was basically trolling. --Michael Greiner 03:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. You are most correct. Comments regarding a NASCAR "shutdown" are nonsense and would be better placed in the Rush Limbaugh section.Homebuilding (talk) 01:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Help!!!!!!!!!
I really am getting mad because I can'd figure out how to join that NASCAR Team thingy project. Coul someone please respond to help me??!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 29058000071733lc (talk • contribs) 14:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC) --Dude (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)29058000071733lc
 * See WikiProject NASCAR. Also you may want to think about moving to different user name (one shorter and easier for other members to type. --Michael Greiner 03:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

NASCAR comparison
I'm sorry, but I don't see any notations of NASCAR Drivers migrating to other Motorsport venues like F1 or Indycar. It' appears to be predominately Pro-NASCAR and is a NPOV violation.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

My NASCAR Website
Hello. I own NASCAR website called NASCAR FanZone, but wikipedia won't let me place it on the external links section. I am in no way trying to spam, it has been said to be a good resource to NASCAR FanZone. NASCARFANZONE.WORDPRESS.COM is my website, if someone can fix this, or let me know how I can, it would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nascarfanzone (talk • contribs) 02:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia proceeds under the assumption that "Wordpress"="contains somebody's blog". Thus it's on the blacklist, because blogs/user-written opinion pieces violate WP:EL. Sorry...Gladys J Cortez 02:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Spam, Conflict of interest, the list of reasons of why your site isn't allowed could go on forever. The point is you would benefit from Wikipedia in someway. --Michael Greiner 03:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

NASCAR is not a sport, add to criticism section
There is no criticism of NASCAR's status as a sport, which has been discussed to death in every newspaper and on every sports channel for years. I don't see why we can't at least add some discussion here. I would argue if NASCAR is a sport then billiards, bowling, lawn darts, chess, and even cup stacking should be considered sports. Sources you say, sure these aren't some form of irrefutable evidence but if a 2 second google search for whether or not NASCAR is a sport yields over 1 million results...

http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2004/12/13/11693 http://www.e-sports.com/articles/695/1/No-Debate-NASCARs-not-a-sport/Page1.html http://www.nascar-is-not-a-sport.com/ http://www.pittnews.com/news/2006/10/11/Sports/Nascar.Falls.Handily.Short.Of.sport.Criteria-2342805.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.127.124.14 (talk) 21:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The question should be, does a discussion of "whether NASCAR is a sport" improve the content of the article about NASCAR. It doesn't.  The fact that numerous hits can be returned for various keywords in a search of the entirety of the internet, does not substantiate the question ("the earth is flat" returns 279,000 hits, but I think we're past that).  Billiards is, in fact, a sport - a game, played competitively by skilled individuals, some of whom make their profession.  Dictionary.com defines sport as
 * 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
 * 2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
 * 3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
 * Two of the examples you cite are included right in the definition.
 * Chess is a sport, recognized by the International Olympic Committee.

To suggest NASCAR isn't a sport would be to suggest all auto racing isn't a sport (Indy, Formula One, Darkar), nor boat racing (both powered, rowing, and sailing [America's Cup]), etc., which is clearly ridiculous - Thaimoss (talk) 00:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This claim has been dealt with before. Auto racing is widely referred to as "motorsport". The articles above (well, the ones that aren't full of ripped off content; see below) are essentially opinion or advocacy pieces, and are not representative of sports journalism as a whole. Simishag (talk) 04:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Autoracing is certainly a sport. I would argue chess is also a sport. Video games can be a sport. It really depends on how you personally define what makes a sport. It is a philosophical question. It can be simply anything that is competitive or even taking that 3rd definition, just about anything people do for fun could be a sport! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.18.73 (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism at The Pitt News
Just for fun, I checked out a couple of the sources posted above under "NASCAR is a sport", and I have found what appears to be plagiarism. It jumped out at me because I'm pretty sure I wrote at least part of the plagiarized content in June-July 2006.

The plagiarizer is one Joe Balestrino at The Pitt News, "The Daily Student Newspaper at the University of Pittsburgh". Here's the link, copied from above:


 * http://www.pittnews.com/news/2006/10/11/Sports/Nascar.Falls.Handily.Short.Of.sport.Criteria-2342805.shtml

Here is NASCAR, "as edited by User:PrometheusX303 at 03:21, 9 October 2006.


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NASCAR&oldid=80347624

Here is what I posted on the comments section on The Pitt News article:


 * Substantial portions of this article appear to be plagiarized from Wikipedia.


 * The following link is the Wikipedia NASCAR article as it existed on 9 Oct 2006:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NASCAR&oldid=80347624


 * The following passages within Balestrino's article appear to be directly copied from Wikipedia:


 * "NASCAR is sometimes perceived as requiring less driving skill to race, compared with the complicated twists and turns seen in the typical Formula One course that puts up to five or six G's of stress on the driver's body." (Balestrino paragraph 4; copied from "Difficulty as compared to other forms of motorsport" section in Wikipedia article)


 * "About 6,000 gallons of the United States' fuel are consumed during a typical Nextel Cup weekend. After the conclusion of the 2006 season (which includes 36 points races), the total fuel consumption will be about 216,000 gallons. One environmental critic recently estimated NASCAR's total fuel consumption across all series at 2 million gallons of gas per season." (Balestrino paragraph 14; copied from "Environmental impact: Fuel consumption" section in Wikipedia article. Note the expansion of US to United States. The original source uses "US gallons" as a unit of measurement; Balestrino incorrectly modifies this to suggest that the fuel belongs to the US government.)


 * "According to NASCAR's Web site, its vehicles are generally unregulated by the Environmental Protection Agency and, in particular, have no mufflers, catalytic converters or other emissions control devices. However, some local short tracks, which run under NASCAR sanction, require certain emissions control devices." (Balestrino paragraph 15; copied from "Environmental impact: Emissions & pollution" section in Wikipedia article)


 * The reason for my post at this late date is that Balestrino's article was recently posted on Wikipedia as a possible source for a separate article on NASCAR. While reading the article, I noticed that some of the material was all too familiar, because I originally wrote some of it on Wikipedia.


 * I hope I can trust The Pitt News to investigate this matter. I will forward a copy of this post to the appropriate email address. I also intend to post this on Wikipedia.

I guess we'll see how much The Pitt News cares about this kind of thing. But if nothing else, Balestrino should not be used a source, since he just ripped off our content here. Simishag (talk) 04:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The comment wasn't on the page, possibly deleted. --Michael Greiner 00:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it safe?
Not to knock NASCAR for being slow to adopt, but if you're going to, it needs some perspective. Since Fireball was killed in '64, when did fuel cells become mandatory? Kill switches? TREKphiler 22:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Rain tires & wipers
There should be something about rain tires and wipers, since the first points race in NASCAR history to use them was just raced at the 2008 NAPA Auto Parts 200 70.51.11.219 (talk) 06:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering that before Saturday, NASCAR was the only governing body NOT to use rain tires at road racing events mentioning that would be pointless. That warrents more mention in the road racing article than this one.Mustang6172 (talk) 04:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * NASCAR HAS had the rain tires ready for use for several years though, going back to the Japan races in the late-90s, where they were used in practice and qualifying once, and then in practice for a Cup race at Watkins Glen a couple times. It's not like they just changed their mind about it, they've been ready for it for awhile now. -- SonicAD (talk) 08:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Street course
NASCAR ads claim Montreal is the only street course in NASCAR... 70.51.11.219 (talk) 06:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well technically it is. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve is owned by the City of Montreal.  For 50 weeks a year it's used as a public park.  The track serves as access roads for the park.  So in that sense, it's a street course.  But that's not worth mentioning in this article.Mustang6172 (talk) 04:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox flags
Re the edit summary "No rule against flags in infoboxes"...Not a RULE, perhaps, but a guideline. From WP:FLAG (the parts in bold are applicable here, IMHO):

'''
 * 1. Flag images should be useful to the reader, not merely decorative.
 * 2. Flag icons may be appropriate as a visual navigational aid in tables, infoboxes or lists provided that citizenship, nationality or jurisdiction is intimately tied to the topic at hand, such as comparison of global economic data or reporting of international sporting event results, and cannot be expressed better with text. They should always be accompanied by their country names at least once.
 * 3. Flag icons should not be used in general prose in an article.
 * 4. Flag images, especially flag icons in biographical infoboxes, should not be used to indicate birth or death places, as this may imply an incorrect citizenship or nationality.
 * 5. Flag images should not be used as stand-ins for images of people or other article topics.
 * 6. Flag images should have alt text and/or captions for accessibility (the standardized flag icon templates do this automatically).
 * 7. Flag images should not be used inappropriately, and should explain their applicability in the caption if usage of the flag is limited in some way.
 * 8. '''Non-national flags should be used only when directly relevant (e.g., articles on a city may include the city flag).

I don't see how these flags give any more information than the country names would on their own; in short, they're being used decoratively, and thus violate WP:FLAG. I'm not going to edit-war over it, but it is a WP guideline. Gladys J Cortez 22:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I found the icons useful, it made the countries stand out more, the text by itself didn't. The flag icons were to do with jurisdiction so entirely relevant. They weren't non-national so I don't know why you bolded that section. As far as I can see the use of the icons was entirely correct and doesn't go against the guideline. RMHED (talk) 00:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * As I said, I'm certainly not going to edit-war over it. We can agree to disagree. It's not like you said "Kasey Kahne sucks" or anything important. ;) Gladys J Cortez 04:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Personaly i like the flags partialy for the reason that most of the drivers use the flage of there home state or home country in some cases--Cmedinger (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It is not 4 superspeedway races
The Article says in Paragraph 2 of NASCAR compared to other forms of motorsport: As of 2008, the Sprint Cup series includes 36 points races, comprising 34 oval-track races (6 short track, 24 intermediate and 4 superspeedway) and 2 road course races.

However, Daytona x 2 + Talledega x 2 + Pocono x 2 + Indinapolis x 1 = 7 superspeedway races. It is four Superspeedway tracks, not races.

I dont know why, but for some odd reason Indinapolis and Pocono are considered Intermidiate tracks. Yes, I know. Indianapolis and Pocono, like Daytona are 2.5 miles in length. Your right, but your wrong. I dont know why people consider it like that either--RICKY 21:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That reason would be Papyrus and their classification that has been taken over by fans. There is no formal classification other than the archaic superspeedway with 1 mile or more in length.80.138.199.91 (talk) 20:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking that the Daytona and Talladega races are considered "Superspeedway" races because they use restrictor plates, thus you can drive around the track at full-throttle (ok, you COULD try and do that at Indy or Pocono, but there is a wall you have to worry about). So if I were editing the article (which I cannot because of the semi-protect and I rarely edit articles), I would rewrite it to this:

''NASCAR races take place predominantly on oval tracks of 3 or 4 turns, with all turns to the left. Oval tracks are classified as short track (less than 1 mile), intermediate or speedway (1 to 2 miles) or superspeedway (over 2 miles).''

to this:

''NASCAR races take place predominatly on oval tracks of three or four turns, with all turns to the left. Oval tracks are classified as short track (less than 1 mile), intermediate or speedway (1 to 2 miles, or up to 2.5 miles with less than 18 degrees of banking), or superspeedway (2.5 miles with more than 18 degrees of banking).''

Which would require the rewrite of the paragraph in question from:

''As of 2008[update], the Sprint Cup series includes 36 points races, comprising 34 oval-track races (6 short track, 22 intermediate and 6 superspeedway) and 2 road course races. ''

to:

 As of 2008, the Sprint Cup series includes 36 points races, comprising 34 oval-track races (6 short track, 24 intermediate and 4 superspeedway) and 2 road course races.

I say under 18 degrees because I think Daytona has 18 degrees in the tri-oval, what do you guys think? Flyingcandyman (talk) 05:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Banking has nothing to do with it. The comparison between "Speedway" and "Superspeedway" is soley based on length.  And even then determining which track is which is impossible because there are different standards of what makes a Superspeedway based on who you ask.  Let's just drop the distinctions between oval tracks and save ourselves the vagueness.Mustang6172 (talk) 03:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I wrote some of the content being discussed here. The 4 "superspeedway" races are the 4 at Daytona and Talladega. The main reason for classifying them separately is that those are the 4 restrictor plate races, so maybe we should just use that term instead. Simishag (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I see your point Simishag, and it probably should be in there. Only thing I would be concerned about is the one race at New_Hampshire_Motor_Speedway that they used the plates in 2000, But thats only if we get complaints here. Mustang6172, problem with that is then it would be even more vauge that it is already. Then the casual reader could be wondering "Ok, Martinsville is .526mi long and Lowes is 1.54mi long. So what?". The standard that would be used here is the NASCAR.com definition. But that could violate Wikipedia's neutrality rules, so I'm trying to re-write it in a neutral manner. In this case separating Daytona/Talladega and Pocono/Indy by the amount of banking each track has, in which case someone could merely look at their respective articles to figure it out if they have a question. Flyingcandyman (talk) 22:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC) EDITED, goofy paragraph layout. Flyingcandyman (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

We aren't the champions
CHANGE THE CHAMPS!!!! Why hasn't anyone changed the champions yet? It should be Jimmie Johnson, Sprint Cup Champ from 2006-2008, Clint Bowyer, Nationwide Champ in 2008, and Johnny Benson, Craftsman Champ in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.83.23 (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete section elsewhere
I started an article on the NASCAR CRAFTSMAN Truck series Gateway 200. I did not complete the article however because I dont have enough details to finish. I would love to see my article completed, so I anybody has any info on the history of the truck race at Gateway International Raceway then be my guest and finish the article: Gateway 200. You can type in Ram Tough 200 and redirect it to that page as well. Thanks!--RICKY 21:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed here
"One of the main 'strips' in Knoxville, Tennessee, had its beginning as a mecca for aspiring bootlegging drivers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.69.219.3 (talk) 04:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing to find out more of this, I clicked on a link (#13 as of this writing) and found an article giving this Wikipedia article as the source. The next citation to nascarinfo.org was a dead link in a parked website. So this claim is still (or again) unsourced. BTW, even if sourced, it's still vague. Does 'strip' refer to a dragstrip? A place where people cruise on Saturday night? A shopping center? An airfield?
 * I looked over the situation, and I found it exactly as you stated. This claim doesn't make sense and these references weren't helpful, so I removed the sentence.  Royal broil  11:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Update page?
I feel a few things should be updated on the NASCAR page. A reference to differences between NASCAR and IndyCar racing is that IndyCar field count is 18-20 cars. Now that the Indy Racing League and Champ Car World Series are as one entity, car counts have escalated to 22-24, even as high as 28 (flirting with the car counts seen in 1994, when no fewer than 29 cars entered each race). Also Mario Andretti and Juan Pablo Montoya are not the only two racers to win in Formula One, IndyCars, and NASCAR. Dan Gurney also won in all three categories, and all three drivers also won in sports car racing as well. I would change these myself, but the security lock prevents that. 97.125.22.186 (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm about ready to dump that whole section. You can replace the word "NASCAR" with "stock car racing" and it wouldn't make much difference.  NASCAR isn't a form of motorsport, stock car racing is a form of motorsport.  I'm not sure where the information on drivers moving from one series to the next belongs, but this isn't it.Mustang6172 (talk) 03:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Poor spelling
Talladega is misspelled under driver safety. Epsilon2 (talk) 11:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Epsilon2 4/30/09


 * Not to be a jerk, but you could have simply fixed it in the time it took you to post here. Be bold. Simishag (talk) 18:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

removed references
I've removed the following references to the wrongful death suit in 2008. We have 2 highly reliable sources for the statement, that's plenty. If someone feels we need to exceed the MOS recommended allotment of references for this, add it back in - it's not something I'll contest. — Ched : ?  18:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.news-journalonline.com/special/planecrash/index.htm
 * http://www.wesh.com/news/16212255/detail.html

New Info On effects On U.S. Auto decline on NASCAR & Dispute on 2nd most viewed sport
Simishag keeps changing to reflect only positive news on NASCAR. All views should be presented objectively!

However, the collapse of the U.S. auto industry and the bankruptcy of Chrysler had led to a drastic decline in NASCAR attendance and television ratings. NASCAR television viewership fell to an average of 6.83 million viewers last year, off 18% from its peak in 2005 of 8.35 million, according to the Nielsen Co. NASCAR ticket sales are down by as much as 20% at some races, with gaping blocks of empty seats at tracks in Atlanta, Fontana, and even the hard-core racing town of Talladega, Ala. The Texas Motor Speedway has taken out 21,000 seats, 13% of its 159,000 seat capacity, to make room for recreational-vehicle parking. NASCAR teams and tracks have laid off more than 800 employees in the past year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrissyPope (talk • contribs) 21:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well that information doesn't belong for several reasons


 * 1) It's only relevent to the Sprint Cup Series. Local short track races tend to perform well in recessions because they offer a cheap alternative to big ticket races.
 * 2) Ratings were down before Chrysler went bankrupt, how did Chrysler lead to ratings going down?
 * 3) How has anything related to U.S. auto industry caused NASCAR's problems? I would sooner blame the banking industry for the recession.
 * 4) Ratings may be down, but the 2009 Daytona 500 has better TV ratings than the 2008 World Series and 2008 NBA Finals.
 * 5) There's really more concern that the Big 3 are investing too much in NASCAR, because NASCAR tries so hard to limit technological progress. But that belongs in the criticsm article.Mustang6172 (talk) 03:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To User:KrissyPope: The paragraph in question was lifted verbatim from a WSJ article. The article says "ratings are down" but it does not contradict the previous claim (from Forbes) of "2nd most watched sport behind the NFL." Also, the article notes (immediately following the lifted paragraph) that attendance is down across all sports, and notes that TV broadcasts "routinely draw higher share ratings than many prime-time shows." Finally, the WSJ article covers what is essentially a cyclical economic trend. Your placement of the paragraph in the lead section of the article gives undue weight to a relatively minor aspect of the overall sport, but given your history of tendentious editing on this and other articles, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that you are pushing your own agenda. Simishag (talk) 22:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Um, that paragraph has shown up again, this time under "NASCAR Popularity." I think it should be deleted, but some of you may have differing opinions. Pja1981 (talk) 22:19, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw that these paragraphs were still up there, so I deleted them because of the controversy surrounding it. Pja1981 (talk) 18:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The information provided, on 2009 television and attendance audiences is factual, and cited from the WSJ article. Of course, as Simishag noted, it is "lifted verbatim", except for the causal preceding comment :"... and the bankruptcy of Chrysler had led to a drastic decline in NASCAR attendance and television ratings ...", which seemed to be a core of Mustang6172's objection. The "lifting" alone is a copyright problem, so we have to fix that. The topic (ratings) is relevant, and non-original research abounds to describe past, current and projected ratings, attendance, and 'popularity'. I'd suggest a "Media" section, not unlike the one on the NFL article (NFL). Barring objections, I'll do that. - Thaimoss (talk) 13:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

"NASCAR is one of the most viewed professional sports in terms of television ratings in the United States." (needs citation) "In fact, professional football is the only sport in the United States to hold more viewers than NASCAR.[5" Pro football attendance is greater in "average number of spectators per game", but the most viewed professional sports in total fans per season is MLB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skippy128 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

NASCAR MAP
Hi folks, I just want to wish you Happy 4th of July and all the best to you and yours. As FYI: here is a link to Interactive NASCAR Big Map: http://www.webinfocentral.com/RESOURCES/NascarMap.aspx It's probably a good idea to add the link to main page. Best regards, Alex —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Bell (talk • contribs) 13:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Small change needed.
In the beginning summary:

"NASCAR holds 17 of the top 20 attended single-day sporting events in the U.S.[8], and claims 75 million fans who purchase over $3 billion in annual licensed product sales."

Interested in this fact, I followed the link to the article cited (citation 8) and found that NASCAR holds 17 of the top 20 attended single-day sporting events in the WORLD, not the U.S.(while this means at least 17 of 20 are true for the U.S. too, it may be that NASCAR holds all 20 of 20 in the States); however, I cannot edit the article myself as it's locked and request someone else do so, to improve accuracy. I don't want to sound nitpicky, it's simply that little inconsistencies or semi-truths are the most common complaint about the quality of Wikipedia. Trying to help. Thanks! Edobson27 (talk) 17:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done Thank you for bringing it up! I changed it to your improvement. There was too much vandalism to the article, so it had to be locked from unregistered people and the newly registered.  Royal broil  23:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Trivial Details in Introduction
The opening Introduction Paragraph devotes large portion to trivial things, namely where the domain is registered, who updates it's content and even when the domain expires! I don't know NASCAR, so I cannot fix it. But I think the opening paragraph should saw sweeping statements about NASCAR. These are what I deem trvial: Agree/disagree? Can this be cleaned up, moved, or removed? Panchero (talk) 18:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The nascar.com domain is currently leased through Network Solutions, and extends through the year 2016.
 * Time Warner Company acquired all of NASCAR's interactive rights and the rights to the nascar.com domain.
 * Turner Sports Interactive is the exclusive producer, and NASCAR.com is the official site for NASCAR Inc.

I think the Turner/TimeWarner information is useful, but agree with your first bullet. Info is pretty irrelevent because Turner rights to NASCAR.com expire in 2014 (http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1706093,00.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.229.142 (talk) 22:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Restriction to a few manufacturers?
I heard somewhere that only cars made by US-based companies may be entered in Nascar races? is this true? Should it be mentioned in the article if ture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.32.254 (talk) 01:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is not true as Toyota is none us made car.--XnascarX24fan (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's "American-made, steel-bodied sedans" . Toyota's argument is that it has plants in the U.S.  Royal broil  03:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Car numbers
I'm not a diehard Nascar fan but I was watching the race today and was wondering why the numbers painted on top of the cars are backwards. Facing the infield instead of facing the fans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.81.30.118 (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * First this is not the place to ask questions like this - Wikipedia is not a forum. Yahoo Answers is more appropriate. The roof numbers are painted so that you can see them in the corners while watching on TV.  Royal broil  02:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that might be worth including. This is an encylopedia, & it's probable quite a few people have wondered.  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  15:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

This answer is close but not quite correct. The roof numbers were originally for the benefit of race crews, spotters and officials, who (mostly) sit in the infield. From that perspective, they are always right side up around the entire track. Simishag (talk) 01:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can cite that, put it in.  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  18:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * A quick search only shows some Q & A type pages. Not sure if those are legit sources. Here are 2 examples: and . Simishag (talk) 19:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say a Fox website meets RS, but I've never been confident of my grasp of the guidelines, so don't judge by me. ;D  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  06:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Both Fox and the Tampa newspaper are easily reliable sources - even at the Featured Article level. So is Larry McReynolds, a former NASCAR crew chief. Reliable sources are books, major magazines, newspapers, and other media like TV. The main thing is that there is editorial oversight and that they are relevant in their area of expertise. It might not work to use a racing magazine for a sewing article. My only comment is that it sounds trivial and wonder how it could fit in the article. If you can make blend (an even better word), then I'm fine with it. I've already made pessimistic comments like this just to be shown that there is a good way, so please try. Maybe a section/paragraph on how numbers are selected by teams? Or one on how teams have first chance on their number from the previous year?  Royal broil  00:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * My concern in this case isn't really the source, it's more the type of article. I found a few more cites and all of them are in the form of answering reader questions, which is a little different than an actual bylined article. To me, the general feel of all of these is that they are recycled anecdotes and no one really knows who the original source is. On the other hand, McReynolds is a pretty good source since he has spent so much time in the sport, and in the absence of any contrary evidence, I don't think we should ignore his perfectly reasonable explanation. It's a little trivial but is perhaps interesting from a historical perspective. Simishag (talk) 01:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * That historical perspective is something we might want to address more broadly, which is where this might go. Specifically, to the development of a) timing & scoring standards (recall the debate over who won the '59 Daytona 500) & b) of sponsored cars. (On this one, I recall the Merc dealer {Karl Kiekhafer?} who absolutely dominated, so much so he dropped sponsorship for fear of alienating customers.) Now, I don't pretend to know enough about the state of play in the '30s & '40s, but IIRC, side numbers weren't common until NASCAR intro them, & as speeds climbed, something to enable spotters & scorers (& track announcers?) to keep track of positions would have had to be created. Hence roof #s. Or so I'm guessing. ;D  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  04:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Carl Kiekhaefer (I started the article), but your facts are excellent about him! McReynolds is definitely an expert in the field, so quoting him should be fine even if he was interviewed in a Q&A format. I'm fine if this were added to a historical section. I figured that you guys would be able to come up with a way to address it! There was no racing in the U.S. between 1941 and 1945 - it was banned for WW2 to save fuel and concentrate on the war. There wasn't much stock car racing before 1946 to 1950 - the 1930s had the Great Depression and cars hadn't developed that far in the 1920s with the board track racing. I wrote a lot of content from before 1950 including midget car racing and a bunch of midget racers, part of Barney Oldfield, board track racing, etc. It's fascinating to see what evolved from what these pioneers started.  Royal broil  04:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

<--Actually, FWI've read, there was quite a bit of "stock" car racing before NASCAR; many of the dirt trackers were pretty close to stock. The big difference with NASCAR was it was policed, & honest, rather than a collection of fly by night (to be charitable) promoters. It didn't take Bill France long to realize stone stock wouldn't work, 'cause parts kept breaking. (I still cringe NASCAR ever allowed convertibles, without rollbars 80.) Unfortunately (as usual...), I wasn't reading with the intent of later citation, so I have no idea where I saw any of this.... There is The Petty Story & the Jr Johnson bio from the '60s ('70s?); beyond that... TREKphiler  hit me ♠  05:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The suggestion of how numbers is picked is a bad idea IMO for the fact that the system is confusing and complicated, and largely based on precedents. The number on the top of the car issue is rather trival IMO and i think it should not be included. And to make things clear, NASCAR in its first season in 1948 was actually a modified series. NASCAR's "Strictly Stock" series, which changed though the years to become the NASCAR we know today, was not founded until 1949 in NASCAR's second year of operation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toughguy223 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Types of circuits and tracks
Hello, I came to this page to learn more about NASCAR. But nowhere in the article can I find info that most of the tracks are oval or circular... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.45.60 (talk) 18:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Needs to be changed.
The most recent series champion was Johnny Benson in 2008; It was Benson's first championship in the series.

Previous statement needs to be changed to

The most recent series champion was Ron Hornaday in 2009; this is his fourth championship in the series.

Thanks Adam Pollock68.116.145.142 (talk) 09:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Confederate flag
I think there should be some mention of the issue of confederate flags being allowed at NASCAR events.68.186.59.182 (talk) 22:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

150 Nations Citation needed?
It says NASCAR is aired in over 150 Nations, yet there is no citation to that. I checked the links in and around that and i cant find it anywhere. May I where that statement came from? As in a Source? --Akemi Loli Mokoto (talk) 02:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, it looks like many people on the internet copied the Wikipedia intro. I found a press release direct from NASCAR on the official website from one of the tracks and used it to reliably source the statement. I didn't add that races are broadcast are in 30 languages.  Royal broil  04:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Camping World Truck Series Mike Skinner racing Todd Bodine in the Texas Craftsman Truck Series race.Main article: Camping World Truck Series The '"NASCAR Camping World Truck Series" features modified pickup trucks. It is one of the three national divisions of NASCAR, together with the Nationwide Series and the Sprint Cup. The most recent series champion was Johnny Benson in 2008; It was Benson's first championship in the series.

Camping World Truck Series Mike Skinner racing Todd Bodine in the Texas Craftsman Truck Series race.Main article: Camping World Truck Series The '"NASCAR Camping World Truck Series" features modified pickup trucks. It is one of the three national divisions of NASCAR, together with the Nationwide Series and the Sprint Cup. The most recent series champion was Ron Hornaday in 2009; It was Hornaday's fourth championship in the series.

Nanciwaco (talk) 01:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * --Wean0r (talk) 03:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Women?
I'm really surprised there is no mention of women. I think there should be some mention of the fact that men and women compete together in NASCAR events, or a tiny mention of the history of women in NASCAR. I don't know much about NASCAR, but I find it really unique that there is a sport where men and women compete against each other. So given NASCAR's unique status as a co-ed sport, I think something about women deserve mention. --Mezaco (talk) 01:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * NASCAR has not had many "big time" women drivers and there have been no women drivers in NASCAR's top series (Sprint Cup Series) for close to 5 years. Other series such as IRL have had much more influce from women in recent years, and I do not think that in NASCAR's current situation that a section on Women would be a good fit in the article. If a women once again becomes a full time driver in the Sprint Cup series it might be a good thing to add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toughguy223 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Archive
http://mobile.nascar.com/ WhisperToMe (talk) 19:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What does this have to do with the article? --Michael Greiner 21:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Add the challenge of Electric vehicle racing to NASCAR?
Add the challenge of Electric vehicle racing to NASCAR, i.e. the future of NASCAR subsection? 99.190.86.252 (talk) 06:52, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose without very solid sources per Crystal Ball. Sounds like original research. I doubt this will happen for many years. They still run carburetors instead of fuel injection! I saw an electric car race over a decade ago and the only noise that you could hear was squealing tires. That won't go over very big compared to roaring engines!  Royal broil  03:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Source
putting this here to possibly use as a source for future edits to history section. — Ched : ?  02:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 216.8.232.221, 19 July 2010
editsemiprotected

In the Driver Safety section: The line, "Fire-retardant driver suits were required only after the death of Glen "Fireball" Roberts, who died from complications of burns suffered in a crash when flames engulfed his car during a Talladega race," is incorrect. It should read, "Fire-retardant driver suits were required only after the death of Glen "Fireball" Roberts, who died from complications of burns suffered in a crash when flames engulfed his car during a Charlotte race," as Fireball died as a result burns while racing in the World 600.

216.8.232.221 (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 10:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Used source that was used on Fireball's own page. --Khajidha (talk) 11:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Early stock car racing
The race between R. E. Olds "Pirate" and Alexander Wintons "Bullet" was held in April 1902, not 1903. The place was Ormond Beach, not near-by Daytona Beach, and the event was not yet sanctioned by AAA. It ended without a winner as both gentlemen quoted a speed of 57 mph. In March 1903, the "Pirate" returned to Ormond were it was driven by H. T. Thomas at 54.38 mph in the first ever AAA sanctioned competition, a record speed in the gasoline-powered 1,000-pound class. References: | Olds Pirate at conceptcarz.com and Standard Catalogue of American Cars, 1805-1942, Beverly Rae Kimes (editor) and Henry Austin Clark, jr., 2nd edition (1985); Krause Publications, Iola WI 54990, ISBN 0-87341-111-0; p. 1017--Chief tin cloud (talk) 11:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

NASCAR Speedpark
Kinda weird that there are 4 US and 1 Canadian NASCAR Speedpark family fun centers, and not even a mention here, much less an article on the enterprise. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 12:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They aren't owned by NASCAR so I don't really see why they would be mentioned here. Licensing isn't all that notable. They are listed in the article of their owners, PARC Management. --Michael Greiner 19:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Michael. Lots of companies are licensed by NASCAR.  Royal broil  01:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

NASCAR Headquarters
Since when has there ever been a NASCAR Headquarters in Houston, TX? This has to be completely erroneous and should be moved from the page immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.143.59 (talk) 06:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Driver safety
The whole section is a rather harsh indictment of NASCAR. Where are the sources that confirm that safety measures were considered and rejected for reasons of cost? Many racing series have implemented new safety measures in response to driver fatalities, but that does not necessarily imply that they were negligent before, and that's how the section reads now. Simishag (talk) 06:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request in Founding section
"France announced the foundation of the "National Championship Stock Car Series", otherwise known as NCSSC." This was actually the "National Championship Stock Car Circuit or NCSCC.

Reference: Driving with the Devil by Neal Thompson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.187.242 (talk) 09:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Good catch. I verified the true name and cited a reliable source. By the way, please add comments to the bottom of the page next time.  Royal broil  03:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

"Criticism" section source?
It says, "There have been numerous accidents during races and even some off the tracks, with several spectators receiving fatal injuries." But I have never heard of a spectator being killed during a race by anything. As a matter of fact, there has never been a spectator killed on or off track during a race. That source they have, is not race or pre/post race related. As a matter of fact, the 3 people killed in those links were innocent people, not spectators. Spectators are fans who watch an event. Unless that airplane that crashed in to their hose was in an airshow, and they were watching, they are not spectators. So will someone remove that part of the subject? --Akemi Loli Mokoto (talk) 19:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

In the first season of NASCAR, at Columbus on July 25, 1948, 7 yr old Roy Brannon suffered severe head injuries when Red Byron's Ford plunged into the crowd. The next day he died. Driving with the Devil - Neal Thompson 120.151.197.154 (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

"Criticism" section source? Previous comment under this heading is incorrect
In the first season of NASCAR, at Columbus on July 25, 1948, 7 yr old Roy Brannon suffered severe head injuries when Red Byron's Ford plunged into the crowd. The next day he died. Driving with the Devil - Neal Thompson 120.151.197.154 (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request in Erwin "Cannonball" Baker section
Link "open-wheel" to "Open-wheel car" to clarify. Dadofsam (talk) 06:11, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Y Done good suggestion, thank you!  Royal broil  12:08, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Table cell/row merging - STOP!
I am bringing this up here because it is an increasing problem in IndyCar race articles, but it also probably more prevalent in the NASCAR project. There seem to be some editors (most seem unregistered) who are turning race result tables (and other tables) totally upside-down by merging rows and cells. It makes the tables look terrible, hard to read, merges irrelevant data, and makes them very difficult to edit for future reasons. I have no idea what people are thinking do this. For instance, they are merging cells for a driver who wins a race back-to-back years, merging laps/miles, car makes that happened to win in. See this for an example. Some are much worse than this one. I think it should be stopped immediately, and in fact reverted to un-merge all the cells. The reasoning is that each line represents a totally different event. What happened in one year is totally unrelated to the next. Each line should be complete and independent of its own information. The fact that a car make won two years in a row is merely coincidental to the makeup of the table. It also makes it difficult for the reader to see that they are separate events each year, and one might not be able to tell easily that 2-3-4 or more races are represented. While the skill of complex table syntax might be impressive, it has no place here. The only place where some cells could be mereged would be "twin" races, like Texas had I've also posted this at the open wheel project, but it's probably worse in NASCAR right now. Doctorindy (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Daytona 500
 * Firestone 550
 * This comment seems more suited for Wikiproject NASCAR's talk page than here. --Michael Greiner 02:09, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Posted here partially by mistake. I moved it there. Doctorindy (talk) 18:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Early history is abysmally wrong.
Auto racing of "stock" motorcars dates back to at least 1891, not to bootleggers as stated. Race tracks predate Prohibition by decades. Methinks someone has watched too much "Dukes of Hazard" type material rather than actually looking into the history of racing stock vehicles. Foxfroggy (talk) 08:35, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

National Association for Stock Car Advancement and Research
While watching Antiques Roadshow tonight-- the 2014-01-06 episode from Boise-- I happened to notice that a vintage Chevron gasoline poster had a surprising logo. In a circle surrounding the words "NASCAR PROVED" was a very different name for the organization: "National Association * Stock Car Advancement and Research".

I looked that up online (as '"national association" "stock car advancement and research"') and got only ten hits, which is unusual in itself. But one of them was this old Sports Illustrated article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1001897/1/index.htm

And this seems to suggest there is a brief but interesting chapter in the history of NASCAR that is not documented in this article, or really in any other page on the modern Internet. From that article:


 * This February Daytona was unnaturally calm. There was speed, all right, and at the beach itself things looked very much as usual—highly tuned cars streaking along beside the surf, racing stock cars growling un-muffled exhaust noise on the 4.1-mile beach and road course.
 * But Daytona was otherwise quiet, partly because the cold Yankee air that blew in daily from the northwest kept midday temperatures in the 40s; mostly because the automotive giants of Detroit have decided, at least for public consumption, that the words racing and speed are unwise at the moment.
 * Last June the Detroit automobile manufacturers agreed to withdraw indefinitely from speed trials and racing. They were tired of persistent congressional questioning on the matter of high horsepower in American cars and fearful that a legislative ceiling on horsepower might be imposed. Speed sold cars, but it also provided controversy. So Detroit soft-pedaled speed.
 * Consequently, Detroit, which sent platoons of engineers, admen and publicity men to Daytona in 1956 and 1957, kept them home this year.

And:


 * NASCAR was now using the high-falutin title International Safety and Performance Trials where once Speed Weeks was considered both accurate and sufficiently catchy; and the organization had dreamed up a new and sanitary name to fit its initials—one that Detroit could use in connection with nonracing trials under its auspices. National Association for Stock Car Advancement and Research is the new monicker, and there was a new series of non-racing tests keyed to problems of city and highway driving to make the name more appropriate. Finally, the pace car for the 1958 Speed Weeks was a Jaguar 3.4 sedan, emphasizing Detroit's nonparticipation.

Now, isn't that interesting?

Are there any editors here who are already familiar with this exceptional situation, or who would like to see what can be drawn from the other Google hits, which are mostly old book and newspaper articles?

71.197.166.72 (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I see 2 problems here. First, this looks like a sportswriter simply creating a clever backronym; the real "NASCAR" was founded in 1948, 10 years before this article was written. Second, the last cited paragraph appears to refer to Speedweeks. I'm not all that familiar with the history of Speedweeks, but it seems like an informal designation, and it definitely includes events which have absolutely nothing to do with NASCAR. Simishag (talk) 08:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Mmm, I think the point of this article is that during that year's Speedweeks event, NASCAR (not the sportswriter) temporarily renamed itself (from the article: "the organization had dreamed up a new and sanitary name to fit its initials") and Detroit was not active in the event, both conditions being responses to what the article called "persistent congressional questioning." Certainly the revised NASCAR logo in the Chevron poster I saw wasn't created by any sportswriter. So that seems like something interesting, an intrusion of US national politics into NASCAR racing that had significant effects on the series in 1958, but which isn't mentioned in this article. 71.197.166.72 (talk) 02:53, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Some background - 1958 was the last year that they raced on the Daytona Beach Road Course and Bill France Sr. was bulldozing the Daytona International Speedway for the inaugural 1959 Daytona 500. Perhaps everyone knew it was the last year on the beach course and fans had lost interest - especially with the poor weather. Different Detroit car makers went away from sponsoring racing at various times in the late 1950s and much of the 1960s. To me, the event from the article is a trivial small blip in the big scheme of NASCAR history. Contemporary scholarship doesn't recognize the importance of this SI article, so in my opinion it should be avoided in this article per WP:UNDUE. However, some of the content in the SI article would be good background for the 1959 Daytona 500 (which I started).  Royal broil  14:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough. 71.197.166.72 (talk) 19:30, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Need to add new race to Sprint Cup Series
In 2014, Tulsa, OK based convenience store, QuikTrip, and Owasso, OK based veterans organization, Folds of Honor, announced a co-sponsorship of a NASCAR race starting in 2015, known as the "Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500" and held at the Atlanta Motor Speedway. The race would be part of the Sprint Cup Series, and the second major race of the season, following the Daytona 500. The first race is being held February 28-March 2 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.101.44 (talk) 14:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * See 2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series and Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500.  Zappa  SJS  Mati   16:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
I propose merging Criticism of NASCAR with NASCAR to create a NPOV article. if the article becomes to long we can split it other ways instead of POV — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryce Carmony (talk • contribs) 22:08, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose proposed article would be way too long.  Royal broil  02:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the proposal was retracted a while ago.  NFL  is  Awesome   16:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

points
how does it work that Landon Cassill does not accrue points--gene.shay@yahoo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.13.82 (talk) 13:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * He's not running for Cup points.  NFL  is  Awesome   15:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit request
Page one

I work for NASCAR and have been asked to make the following changes. However, since the page is semi-protected, I do not have the appropriate access to edit.

We need to make the following changes ASAP:

On the right sidebar, the order and titles should be as follows:

Chairman and CEO          Brian France Vice-Chairman             Mike Helton Chief Operating Officer   Brent Dewar Other key staff	          Jim France

We also need to remove "Bentonville, Arkansas" and "Mooresvile, NC" in the second paragraph as we no longer have offices in those areas.

Thank you.

Bunch007 (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC) Brooke Bunch Manager, Integrated Marketing Communications Bunch007 (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Brooke. Is there a source for this information? For example a page listing NASCAR's leadership. Stickee (talk) 01:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, please visit the press release on or Bunch007 (talk) 00:24, 27 September 2015 (UTC) http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2015/2/9/nascar-chairman-ceo-brian-france-names-vice-chairman-mike-helton-brent-dewar-board-of-directors.html http://www.motorsport.com/nascar/news/nascar-promotes-mike-helton-and-brent-dewar/ http://www.mrn.com/Race-Series/NASCAR-Sprint-Cup/News/Articles/2015/02/Mike-Helton-Named-Vice-Chairman-of-NASCAR.aspx
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:30, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2015
Please remove John Darby, he no longer works for the company, thank you.

Bunch007 (talk) 13:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

NASCAR Verizon Cup Series
2015 Schedule

Mason Speedway, Mason || October 7, 2015 || FOX || 178 Laps

Race For The Red Rush

Eliminator 6

Kentucky Speedway, Sparta || October 27, 2015 || FS1 || 167 Laps

Championship 3

Toronto Speedway, Toronto || November 3, 2015 || FOX || 183 Laps

2015 Drivers

2|Jacob Allen Reynolds| Roush Fenway Racing|Ford

12|Dillon Wayne Reynolds| Roush Fenway Racing|Ford

23|Danell Hamilton| JR Motorsports|Chevrolet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.132.24 (talk) 15:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2016
Hello, please remove Robin Pemberton and John Darby, they are no longer executives.

199.48.202.2 (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Please remove Robin Pemberton and John Darby from key staff
Please remove Robin Pemberton and John Darby from key staff, I work for NASCAR and have been asked to make this change ASAP. Thank you. Bunch007 (talk) 14:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2016
Can someone change the Start date and age template from its current {start date and age|1948} to {start date and age|1948|02|21} to correspond to NASCAR's official formation.

173.73.242.76 (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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New Section
Should there be a "Records" section? For example, Record For Most Wins in a Season, Or Most Championships. I know we have race track records but there is not a records place for the entire sport. If we do add a Records section, it should be actual sport records. Fdmjiv (talk) 18:28, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2017
There's a Show named "NASCAR Racers" it aired on Fox Kids from 1999 (Dale Jarrett's Championship Year) to 2001 (The Year That Dale Earnhardt Died) 2600:8801:9304:5600:9594:FB87:27B1:84F5 (talk) 05:14, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2018
204.102.74.28 (talk) 21:30, 10 April 2018 (UTC) PAUL MUIRURI

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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: A community profile like this could be used as a reference on the person's page. It does not seem relevant enough to NASCAR to include as an external link etc —   IVORK  Discuss 22:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Race car permitted contact
What are the rules in NASCAR regarding driver2driver nudging and touching? In other racings sports eg F1, cars are not intentionally permitted to touch one another without in-race or post race sanctions? There is nothing in this article to explain how NASCAR is different to other similar motor sports and how the rules allow driver to driver contact? 81.141.33.107 (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


 * That's because since there are no rules against intentionally crashing, there are no reliable sources detailing said lack of rules because why would they cover non-rules? If you find reliable sources covering the non-rule, there may be some content to add.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 19:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Badly Needs a Section on Revenue and Economics
The article really needs a section on the business aspects of NASCAR. Who owns it, how much money is made by the different groups. For instance the NFL article has as section 2 "Corporate Structure" and underneath that "Financials". Even though the overall breakout of financials is more complicated for NASCAR, we need to add a section like this to the article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Corporate_structure

ZeroXero (talk) 15:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Truck Section Incorrect
The truck series still lists Matt Crafton as the most recent champion. Sheldon Creed won in 2020. 2600:1014:B052:EF36:1DC0:E754:9438:5EA5 (talk) 04:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ Zappa⚡Matic 05:44, 4 April 2021 (UTC)