Talk:NCAA Division I-A National Football Championship/Archive 2005

What criteria are we using?
There are more than just AP/UPI champions listed, but not all. Also, why is 1936 the cut-off year for the bottom tally? Rkevins82 21:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Reversions back...
We should be able to agree that 1901 is the best year for calculating the most championships. This is the first year a non-Ivy League school won (since they now exclusively play one another), the first year of the Rose Bowl (which decides the national champion once ever four years now), and conveniently the beginning of the 20th century (well that just works out nicely). Starting at 1936 made some sense since that was the beginning of the AP poll, however, the AP poll has not been used exclusively since then and there were many years between 1901 and 1936 where one team was the consensus national champion. Also, BCS is now the deciding factor and is unrelated to the AP poll.

It is also important to note that schools calculate their numbers differently because they only choose to recognize certain polls, even if they contradict. Of course, "who is going to win the championship this year" is more important than "who won 100 years ago."

Also, my prior (now reverted) information is not inaccurate, as one editor noted. As demonstrated on the Ivy League page, Princeton claims 24 titles, Yale 19, etc.

Above all, this is a highly debatable topic and what is important on wikipedia is clarity and factual information.


 * The year should be 1936. Polls before then were not widely used or retroactive.  Rkevins82 22:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

There was as much agreement about particular winners before 1936 as after, particularly among the schools. I agree that 1936 could make a good starting point since it marks the beginning of the AP poll, but there were many years before 1936 where there was a clear winner, still recognized as the champion by contemporaries. Retroactive polls are not to be disregarded, considering much research went into calculating each team and many champions were rightfully crowned. Either start at the beginning or 1901. 68.80.237.199 00:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

ESPN vs. BCS
I propose that for years in split championships, after the BCS was instituted, rather than applying the label "ESPN", we should apply the label "BCS". Mr. Brown 04:30, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

NCAA-Recognized National Championships?
According to the NCAA, they have their own list of national champions. I know that some polls are more respectable than others, but wouldn't it be better to include all of the national championships from over the years, if the NCAA accepts as national championships? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.185.198.81 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Jokers
Some unregistered joker changed "Georgia Tech" (short for "Georgia Institute of Technology") to "Georgia Tech University" for all 4 NC years ('17, '28, '52, and '90). Apparently the same joker changed the Georgia name for its one championship year of '42.

I changed all 5 back to what they should be. (If I made any mistakes in doing so, pls. correct them.) It also appears somebody deleted the International News Service (INS) from the list of polls at the top of the page. (I'll let someone else add that back in.) All jokers involved should be banned from Wikipedia, IMO, as they are making a mockery of the project. I'll watch the page and correct the four GT lines back to correct as often as necessary, so if you're doing this, don't waste your time, as few (if any) will ever see your handiwork (graffiti). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goldtimer (talk • contribs) 06:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Prior Champions
I agree that this should start with 1901 with the advent of college football becoming more "national." Please note that the sources mentioned do not create a correspondence between what is "universally" counted and what the schools count. I agree that Helms, consensus champs, Dickenson, AP, UPI, CNN, and the BCS (along with the retroactive champs) are all solid and must be counted. However, I must question use of "Modern Analysts" which is really Sagarin. If used, USC in 2002 would have a claim, as an example. Also, Alabama in 1941 does not fall under the accepted selectors. There are also "sub-major" selectors such as the College Football Writers and the College Football Foundation (see Iowa in 1958). Finally, Notre Dame still does not recognize its 1938 champs despite every other winning school recognizing Dickenson--pretty odd for the school who inspired and requested the Dickenson system in the first place! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.119.25.226 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)