Talk:NCAA men's lacrosse championship

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Most watched NCAA championship
Isn't the NCAA football championship the most watched? I'm confused. Texinian 05:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it is not actually. The NCAA Division 1-AA Football Championship actually only draws about 22,800 while the lacrosse championship draws 47,000 and the basketball draws 43,000. Remember this is most attended not most watched. You may be thinking of the BCS National Championship which draws over 70,000, however this is technically not a NCAA Championship. --Yarnalgo 01:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So then, you're pointing out this as fact, when it is really not? Clearly the BCS Football championship is the NCAA Division 1 Football Championship. Here's a wiki quote -- "the annual Bowl Championship Series and is intended by Series organizers to determine the NCAA Division I-A national football championship." The attendance at last years BCS championship game was 74,628. Why don't you think about clearing this up. --10stone5 09:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The BSC Football Championship is designed to try and get the 2 best teams to play. However, at the end of the season, it is up to different polling units (UPI, AP, etc) to pick the champ and, hence, there is still no guarantee of unanimity.  It is not the NCAA that "certifies" this sport's champion. In fact, from NCAA.org: "The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process." If you go here you can see that in 2005, 2 champs were picked and in 2003, 3 were picked! Sammyj 18:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * But there's a simple rebuttal to that. The BCS's web site states - "The BCS was established to determine the national champion for college football while maintaining and enhancing the bowl system that's nearly 100 years old." And further on - "Every Division I-A team is eligible to quality for the National Championship game." That sure sounds like an NCAA Division 1 national championship. Why not just say something like - "The Division 1 NCAA Lacrosse Championship is one of the most attended NCAA championship events." BTW, I played college lacrosse so I'm obviously a fan. --10stone5 13:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Currently reads as suggested above. -Mitico (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Salisbury State should be edited to Salisbury University
Salisbury officially changed its name to Salisbury University in 2001. The page should be edited to reflect Salisbury's official name change from 2001 to present.

BMcWiki (talk) 17:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Currently reads "Salisbury State" prior to 2001; and "Salisbury" after. -Mitico (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * salisbury listings are as they should be. (sorry, i gotta stick my nose in here too.salisbury is my son's alma mater.)do whatever listings there may be for towson state/towson need attention?Toyokuni3 (talk) 02:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Syracuse championships
The question arises as to how many titles Syracuse has won, 9 or 10. As the NCAA voided the 1990 championship and their website explicitly states that the 3 wins from that play-off series is expunged, 9 would seem to be the number to use, especially since the situation is explained in a note on the page. Whether one feels that Syracuse was dealt with unfairly, that is the official situation. AlbertHall (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with your analysis on the note at NCAA Division I Champions. Clearly Syracuse thinks the number should be 10:National Champions Again! Syracuse Claims 10th NCAA Title. My opinion: leave at 9, and footnote both this # and the year vacated (currently just the year is footnoted)-Mitico (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm . . . now I am less sure, see Talk:2008 NCAA Division I Men's Lacrosse Championship -Mitico (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the reference you cite above at Talk:2008 NCAA Division I Men's Lacrosse Championship for the NCAA website is just the press release that Syracuse released. There was no vetting of it and the official discipline still stands. AlbertHall (talk) 02:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you think the 2008 article should read regarding this? I think the facts are: this was the 10th Nat'l championship game won by Syracuse.  But their ninth  official title.  Also the ESPN article states record 10th win, then details the vacated year.  Just hoping to be clear and consistent.  Thanks, Mitico (talk) 12:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is fine to be specific and detailed like you suggest. I just don't want to ignore the facts of the situation. Officially, SU has 9 championships, but they have won 10 games played for the championship. AlbertHall (talk) 12:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to find the best way to avoid too much detail over many pages, yet be clear/factual. For the 2006 or 2008 to mention the 1990 infractions in the above detail may go off-topic/lose focus.  I personally like the footnotes as presented on NCAA Men's Lacrosse Championship & the 2008 page, but certainly open to changes.  For further discussion the ESPN article  Thanks, Mitico (talk) 12:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

(un-indented) My assertions:
 * The presentation on NCAA Men's Lacrosse Championship is correct. Syracuse & JHU are both listed with nine titles, but SU is listed first, above JHU contrary to alphabetical order due to winning %.   The Syracuse wins # is heavily footnoted, to ensure that readers understand the underlie-ing facts.
 * Whenever possible, mention of most, record or, tie for the number of championships should be avoided in this matter. For instance.  The 2007 page is silent as to most, record or, tie for JHU's ninth national title, and this should remain consistent across other pages.
 * For 2008, since the reference(s) state this is the tenth win, then underscore with the vacated year, we should do the same. Change content from "The victory marks the 10th national championship for the Syracuse program, the most of any Division I school" to: "This marks the 10th victory in a national championship game for the Syracuse program."  Then the remaining discussion is should we leave the footnote or to include the 1990 vacated year in the body of the article.  IMO, having it in the body of the article is unnecessary detail and detracts from the subject.  Noting that if it is added, it would need to be as concise as possible.

Is this consistent? Sufficient? Mitico (talk) 16:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Thanks. AlbertHall (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Great, hopefully this can be a consensus that we can rely on going forward. Mitico (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * agreed.works for me too.Toyokuni3 (talk) 02:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

What is it about 'Vacated' that has people confused? There WAS NO championship in 1990 because of Syracuse 'rules violations', to speak euphemistically. It is not something Syracuse can claim, since it does not exist. Therefore, counting it would result in more total championships than NCAA says there are. Who says it doesn't exist? The NCAA, It is their championship. Syracuse could claim the 'Syracuse Championship' for that year, as can Loyola (defeated in the Finals by the illegal Syracuse team). But, since it is the NCAA Championship, the NCAA decides. End of story. To be accurate, footnotes should at least use the word 'cheating'. How about if there is no team listed, with a footnote that states it was 'vacated', and the footnote should have a link to the NCAA finding; a newspaper story, or other neutral publication (NOT Syracuse PR materials). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkerfoot (talk • contribs) 22:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Teams
Can someone in the know contribute a list or infobox of all the teams in NCAA lacrosse? --Doradus (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * They are all listed on this page, College lacrosse, not sure how it is supposed ot tie into this page.--10stone5 (talk) 21:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)