Talk:NHK Cup (shogi)

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The following two comments have been copied & pasted from User talk:Boneyard90. - Boneyard90 (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC) I assessed the article as deficient in citations because there was factual claims made without in-line citations in the first five paragraphs of the History section, in the 1st, 3rd, or 4th paragraphs of the Format section, or the next three sub-sections, most of the items in the Tournament Records, only one in the Broadcasts section, and none in the "Notable happenings" section (which is an odd name for a section header, by the way). When all factual claims have an in-line citation tied to a reliable source, the article will be considered to have met the criteria for References & Citations. Hope this helps. - Boneyard90 (talk) 15:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply Boneyard90. I'll respond below, but maybe it would be better to move this to the article's talk page to make it easier for others to follow. What do you think?


 * Much of that information in the article was translated from it's corresponding Japanese Wikipedia page. There are not many third party sources regarding shogi the tournament in English; there's some user-generated stuff, i.e., blogs and wikis, but many of those would not satisfy WP:RS not a lot of info and a lot of it is not correct . I have been looking through various Japanese sources to see which are OK for use, and have used what I felt I could. Most of the tournament record facts could be cited using this. Just not sure if a citation needs to be added for each line or just one for the entire section as a whole. The same page as well as the tournament's NHK page could also be used for the format section. These are primary sources, and have already been cited for certain things in the article so I am just searching for some different ones as support. The "Notable happenings" was just my attempt at translating the word . I felt that most literal translation "Episodes" seemed like it would might lead readers to think of "TV Episodes". I also considered "Anecdotes", but the nuance seemed a bit different. Maybe simply "Notable" would have been a better choice. If you have any other suggestions or comments please post them on Talk:NHK Cup (shogi) or feel free to add them directly to the article. Also, please do not hesitate in adding citation needed templates to the article wherever you deem necessary. I know you don't need my permission to do so and I'm not trying to give it to you; Those templates would not only be helpful to me, but also to other editors who might want to take a crack at improving the article. Thanks again for the review and feedback.  - Marchjuly (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Translating from the Japanese Wikipedia is a good start, and can point you to some good Japanese sources; however, the Japanese Wikipedia is notorious for being lax on citation policy. So whether it came from the Japanese article or not, it still needs citations. On where or how often to put them: You can't insert one citation in the article and consider the entire article covered. In many college reports, you can usually get away with one citation at the end of the paragraph. I was taught that one citation covers all prior sentences to either the beginning of the paragraph, or the last citation. No matter how many sentences there were, all information was covered by the citation at the end. In Wikipedia however, anyone can come along and insert new information wherever they want, and it looks like it's covered by the citation, when it may be completely covered up. So it has gotten near the point where almost every sentence with a factual claim needs a citation. Some don't need citations if they're discussing facts already laid out. See Template:Reflist for citations that get frequently repeated in the text. Last, as for the sub-section heading, I recommend "Notable events". Hope this helps. - Boneyard90 (talk) 22:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional suggestions and links regarding citations. "Notable events" does sound a bit more encyclopedic than "Notable happenings". Would you like to add that since it was your suggestion? - Marchjuly (talk) 00:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Done! - Boneyard90 (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * - Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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