Talk:NJ Transit bus fleet

Article title change needed
A title such as "Buses used by NJ Transit" is uncyclopedic. This article should be called "New Jersey Transit Bus Fleet" or similar.

141.151.126.134 (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result was no consensus. Vassyana (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Buses used by New Jersey Transit → Buses owned by New Jersey Transit — Many of the full-sized buses purchased and leased by New Jersey Transit to other operators are not in state bus branding, as shown by many of the buses operated by Academy and Coach USA, to name two, that are owned by NJT from a big order, but are not otherwise affiliated with the agency other than NJT holding the title. —AEMoreira042281 (talk) 03:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Oppose: Coach USA and Academy Bus Incorporarted are separate national companies, therefore renaming the article is inappropriate. DanTD (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: However, on the opposite side, NJ Transit purchases buses for them that are included in large orders, and on occasion, the buses have been surrendered back by Coach USA and other contractors back to New Jersey Transit. In fact, the buses pictured on the articles for Coach USA (bus #8914), Red & Tan in Hudson County (bus #1512), DeCamp Bus Lines (bus #8409), Rockland Coaches (bus #8533), Suburban Trails (same as the Coach USA article), Community Coach (bus #8514), Orange Newark Elizabeth Bus (bus #1082), and Trans-Bridge Lines (bus #8560) are all owned by New Jersey Transit and are leased and branded in the private operator's livery...but NJT can still take them back under certain circumstances,. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 06:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Additional comment: Red & Tan Lines were operating independentley within northern New Jersey, and Rockland County, New York, before they were owned by Coach USA. Therefore I feel I must stand by my position. DanTD (talk) 01:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to New Jersey Transit buses. Shorter then the current or proposed targets, both of which are not correct in that it is not a list of the buses used by NJT nor is it a list of buses that they own.  Used and owned are ambiguous in that the article includes both previous and future vehicles.  This may also be less objectionable for those who are concerned that the buses are operated by other companies which in my opinion is a non issue. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: However, New Jersey Transit Corporation is a purchasing agency that buys buses for various operators, including its own, as well as other operators. For instance, the 8xxx series buses noted above to Coach USA and Academy, among others, all came from one big 1,371-bus order of which the majority of the buses were assigned to NJT. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 06:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that the buses in the tables are not NJT buses? In other words they were never owned or operated by NJT. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Many of the buses were always owned by NJT, but were never operated by NJT, but the purchasing was done by NJT. NJT retains the title to the bus, and then leases it. Every bus pictured in the table is owned by New Jersey Transit, however. Also, on occasion, buses are transferred between private operators and NJT, and vice versa. The distinguishing part is that the buses are OWNED by New Jersey Transit (every bus listed on the roster), but New Jersey Transit purchases buses for other operators in New Jersey and retains the title, regardless of branding. For instance, this bus, this bus, and this bus are all owned by New Jersey Transit, and have always been since purchased, even though NJT has never operated them. Also, see your talk page for a link.--AEMoreira042281 (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to New Jersey Transit buses. The reasons given above and a similar page as an example: MBTA Bus. Grk1011 (talk) 22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

I guess that this is where the discussion is supposed to be, I commented above also. I feel that it should be renamed New Jersey Transit buses for the reason of a similar page: MBTA Bus. Grk1011 (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Wheelchair access
Is there a reason why "no" is capitalized and in bold? Also, why not just use a checkbox instead of yes/no, like ✓ or ✔ ? lensovet 19:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It's been taken care of. Ctrabs74 07:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Which facilities will the 2007 MCI D4500 (numbered 7121-7187) housed at?
You know, I am interested in the Transit System. I heard that delivery for the 2007 MCI D4500 coach bus numbered 7121-7187 has started. I am planning to ride on those buses someday. So, my question is, which facilities will these buses be housed? If anyone knows, please list them below. If you see a route number(s) but do not know which depot that route serves, tell me in route number(s), and I will try to figure out which facility that route(s) serves by checking NJTBO article. Remember, these buses have the official MCI logo just above NJT logo. Takuma IshizekiTakuma Ishizeki 22:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

2008-09 NABI 416s 5201-5349
I need to point out to all of you here that the following 2008-09 NABI 416 buses operated by New Jersey Transit have different powertrains:
 * Only bus #5201 uses the Caterpillar C9 ACERT (9.3L) engine and ZF Ecomat 6HP-594 transmission.
 * Buses #5202-5349 use the larger Caterpillar C13 ACERT engine and ZF Ecomat 6HP-604 transmission.
 * Buses from #5350 on use the Cummins ISL9 engine and ZF Ecomat 6HP-594 transmission.

WikiPro1981X (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

There is not a C13 in any NABI coach, this is a rumor started by foamers. NJ Transit official spec is CAT C9, with Cummins ISL9 for EPA10 coaches. Bradfordbrian (talk) 05:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

The C9 used in units 5202-5349 would be rated 330 HP as opposed to the one in 5201 which is 280 HP, if that is what we're trying to clarify? WikiPro1981X (talk) 02:40, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Blue Bird 617 is very shaky
I rode it on route 305, one which runs throught a Liberty State Park. It was on July 25, 2008. The ride was very very funny. The bus was shaking, roaring, etc. GK tramrunner (talk) 01:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * How is it now?

No mention of the order from Designline yet?
Heading is self explanatory. I would put the information on the page, but it will probably get deleted by some zealous editor. - Fan Railer (talk) 00:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Engine distribution breakdown on the NABI 416.15 suburban?
The current text seems to conflict with information provided here: http://146.186.225.57/buses/reports/384.pdf?1310655392 (Altoona Bus Testing and Research Center). The bus sent, 5230 is shown equipped with a Cummins and an Ecolife transmission, while the text on wikipedia claims that that bus falls within the bracket of buses equipped with a Caterpillar and an Ecomat transmission. Fan Railer (talk) 19:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

2015 Updates
I've added some new info regarding disposition of the 1999-2000 RTS order. Coach USA has bought the former Salem County buses (1515, 1556-1558) they received a few years ago. Bus 2501 is preserved by the NJTHC. I'm not 100% sure about this so I didn't include the info, but there may be a couple of 30ft RTS still running for the IBOAs in Hudson County. Ken S. (talk) 02:09, 10 September 2015 (UTC)