Talk:NOFX (2011 EP)

Track listing
Because the track listing has not been officially announced nor has it been officially documented, adding it to this article would be considered original research—something Wikipedia does not publish. It looks like a bunch of fans on a NOFX forum grouped together to figure out the songs, but forums and personal blogs are not considered reliable sources here. Also, from Wikipedia's policy on verification, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." Fezmar9 (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * the article says "maumee" is a band, but it's a city in ohio. it's the home town of one of the bands covered on the EP, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.189.214 (talk • contribs)


 * Thank you for pointing this out. I have updated the article to reflect your comment. Fezmar9 (talk) 23:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Has anyone found any sources in the months since the EP's release that name the tracks? I can identify several of them by music or lyrics (one is "No More Lies" by Battalion of Saints, the same track NOFX contributed to 2009's Let Them Know: The Story of Youth Brigade and BYO Records...I think they just recycled the recording for this EP). I'm not suggesting adding any OR of course, just speculating that if I can do that, with my limited knowledge of early '80s hardcore, then I'm sure there must be reviewers or music publications out there who can/have. Has anyone found any? Obviously identifying the songs covered would be an essential piece of information for this release. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * From what I've found online (unfortunately not in reliable sources), the tracks are as follows. I'm putting them here as an aid to help me search for more reliable sources that can be cited:
 * Friend or Foe (Agnostic Front)
 * IQ32 (Necros)
 * Police Brutality (Urban Waste)
 * Mental Breakdown (Social Unrest)
 * No More Lies (Battalion of Saints)
 * Race Riot (D.O.A.)
 * Say We Suck (Sin 34)
 * Child Hosts the Parasite (Rebel Truth)
 * Professional Punk (Stretch Marks)
 * --IllaZilla (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Possible sources (not sure about reliablity):  --IllaZilla (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * From the fatwreckwiki article:
 * Agnostic Front - Friend Or Foe
 * Necros - IQ32
 * Urban Waste - Police Brutality
 * Social Unrest - Mental Breakdown
 * Battalion Of Saints - No More Lies
 * Unknown
 * Sin 34 - Say We Suck
 * Rebel Truth - Child Hosts The Parasite
 * Stretch Marks - Professional Punk
 * According to Mike in this interview that the #6/"Unknown" one was invented by NOFX. benzband  ( talk ) 10:58, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Fatwreckwiki is a wiki, obviously, and thus not acceptable as a reliable source on Wikipedia. Track 6 clearly isn't a DOA cover; compare the NOFX track to DOA's "Race Riot". --IllaZilla (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah lol. benzband  ( talk ) 17:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Article title
This article currently states that the EP's title is NOFX. However, according to the Spinner source in the article, Fat Mike was quoted saying "It doesn't have a name. We just call it 'The Hardcore EP.'" The Consequence of Sound source in the article also affirms that the EP is untitled. The version of this article as of September 4, 2011 was sourced and worded in accordance with what these sources were saying. Why was it changed? Can I safely change it back without starting an edit war? Fezmar9 (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Fat Wreck Chords lists it as NOFX. This is an oft-repeated situation, where a group doesn't have a title for a release but they put their name on the cover, it becomes eponymously-titled (or "self-titled", to use common parlance). This is not unlike Blink-182, The Beatles, Metallica, or any of Weezer's three eponymously-titled albums. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I feel that this EP bears a closer resemblance to Untitled Korn album, Untitled Nas album or Led Zeppelin IV where the band has openly stated that their album has no title. With the examples you listed the title is either debated, intentionally self-titled, or the band has made no statement either way and assumed to be self-titled by the media. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:41, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * They may have said, before it was released, that they didn't have a title for it, but the record label (which is owned & run by Fat Mike) lists it as NOFX. That's pretty convincing to me. HOFX doesn't even have a title on it, either on the cover or the record itself, yet the label has a title by which they catalog and refer to it. This seems to be a similar case. I think the closest comparison is Blink-182: The band members said in several interviews prior to the album's release that they weren't going to title it, but because their name is on the cover it is commonly known as Blink-182, and listed/certified as such by Billboard and the RIAA, to the point where even the record label and the band's own websites list/catalog it as such. This EP seems to be similar, in that the record label (and by extension the band, since the label is run by the lead band member) has apparently adopted NOFX as the default title for the release. Allmusic also calls it NOFX, as do Amazon and Punknews. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, but DefJam lists Nas' untitled album as Nas and Atlantic lists Led Zeppelin's untitled album as Led Zeppelin IV (it's located in the pop-up, click the right arrow until you find the album). I can't seem to find an official EMI catalog, so I don't know how they refer to Korn's untitled album. Also, NOFX's official website refers to it as Hardcore, and in Fat Wreck's news posts of the EP, they don't seem to refer to it by any actual title. One news post calls it "the NOFX hardcore covers release", and another simply refers to it as "this". If this album's title was truly NOFX, I'd imagine the band's own website or the label's news posts would refer to it as such—which they evidently did not do. Amazon is probably not the best example to use in this situation due to what I refer to as the Allmusic trickle down effect. Amazon borrows metadata from Rovi Corp, Rovi Corp is calling this release NOFX, thus so does Allmusic and Amazon—neither of these two sources rationally came to the conclusion on their own that this EP is titled NOFX. Other non-Rovi affiliated online retailers refer to the album as Hardcore, Untitled 10", Hardcore and The Hardcore 10. But none of this should really be relevant since online retailers aren't reliable sources to begin with. Fezmar9 (talk) 00:31, 13 November 2011 (UTC)