Talk:NWA World Women's Tag Team Championship

Possible merge
This looks very similar to Women's World Tag Team Championship except with some added reigns, like Waldek/Young preceding the Byers/Stafford initial reign. Very confusing. Ranze (talk) 13:59, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Cagematch weirdness
Looking at http://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=1997 after the 6 May 1982 reign of Grable/Rictor at 13 May 1983 the partner of Velvet McIntyre is listed as a "Penny Mitchell" instead of Princess Victoria, and ended in 1984. Any idea what that's about? Was there some disrespect of WWF buying it out?

Looking further back, prior to the first reign of Princess Victoria with a "Sabrina" starting 29 April 1982 is an earlier Grable/Richter reign with an unknown start date.

The reign starting 25 August 1979 preceding that of Grable with Vicki Williams seems agreed upon. The shady area I guess is whenever it was that Grable replaced Williams with Richter.

Here is where we may have a gap though. This article says they beat the Glamour Girls (missing from the table) and CageMatch says they beat Beverly Shade and Natasha, who had beaten Grable+Williams sometime in 1978.

It actually lists 3 reigns for Grable+Williams while we only miss too.

Does anyone know what the (n) parenthesis next to some dates means? Ranze (talk) 15:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * it means "no later than" MPJ  -US 21:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Beverly Shade
Happened across this profile: http://www.glorywrestling.com/gg/BeverlyShade/BS.asp which calls some things into question:
 * Natasha The Hatchet Lady and I held the NWA Tag Team Belts in '79 and '80.
 * We also held the World Tag Team Belts which we won in Lagos, Nigeria at a world tournament.
 * Tracy and I also held the World Tag Team Belts.
 * I think winning the Tag Belts with Natasha at the World Tournament was my biggest thrill.

http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=9988&page=11 only mentions the NWA, however she clearly is making a distinction between this and a "World Tag Team Belt" (not covered on cage match) so we cannot use Lagos, Nigeria as the location. I wasn't sure who "Tracy" was until looking earlier:


 * In 1983, Tracy Richards and I formed a Tag Team called The Arm & Hammer Connection. We wore matching suits and had black and silver capes with an Arm & Hammer logo on the back.

So we know this is something that happened after she broke with Natasha. Ranze (talk) 15:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

1955 to 1970 gap
Penny Banner and Lorraine Johnson are listed as winnning in 1955

Next is The Fabulous Moolah and Toni Rose winning in 1970.

I think there may be a gap here. There was a "Records are unclear as to whom they defeated." note next to Moolah/Rose and I noticed at http://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=1997 that "Adrienne Ames & Pat Lyda" were listed as holding it at some point.

It's hard to find information on Adrienne, but I noticed that while neither had a cagematch profile, that Patricia Lyda happened to have this profile on WrestlingData.com. Sometimes competing as Lady Red Devil she was trained by Moolah and the earliest match I could find was Moolah beating her as "Fabulous" and the following month she was teamed with Moolah as "Slave Girl" against Grable and Brenda Scott.

I looked for evidence of Ames and Lyda as a team and found 16 November 1961 that they lost to an Ann Regan and "Chris Clark". No indication of it being a title match for anything though. Of course, if we find evidence of Moolah/Rose defeating Regan/Clark that'd certainly stitch things up.

Lyda's list of partners does not generate a result for Adrienne Ames even though there's an event of them teamed in 1961 so I think that only returns results for people with pages, requiring us to manually check Lyda's records for other possible results.

One other way may be to look for Toni Rose's opponents. Her cage match record makes no mention of Ames/Lyda or Clark/Regan though. Oddly her 5 reigns do not have any specific date/events attached to them.

Legacy of Wrestling 1961 results for New Orleans generates something suggestive:
 * Harvey, Louisiana: Thursday, November 23, 1961 (Westside Sports Center) … Adrienne Ames and Pat Lyda b. Chris Clark and Ann Regan to become the undisputed women’s tag team champions …
 * Notes: Going into this show, Regan and Clark were called the co-holders of the Southern Women’s Tag Team championship, and Lyda and Ames were said to be the “NWA titlists.”
 * The promoter, the newspaper reported, said that Joe Gunther received special sanction from the National Wrestling Association to name the winners of this tag team match the “undisputed” women’s tag team champions.
 * Regan and Clark were from Jackson, Mississippi.

If we can find a raw newspaper source from those times, I believe this would support the addition of Ames/Lyda to the table. Although they already held the titles at that point, so we have a place to start looking before for them beating Banner/Johnson (or intermediate) and to drop the (undisputed) NWA tag titles to Moolah/Toni (or intermediate) in 9 years. Ranze (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Combined Reigns section
please update this entire section as the Renegade Twins only held the championship for 1 day & are not the current champions. Thanks. Wildarms007 (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Daisy Mae and Golden Venus
The cited source has no record of Daisy Mae & Golden Venus as champions at any point, aside from footnotes in the reigns of June Byers & Mary Jane Mull (Dec-1952) and Penny Banner & Lorraine Johnson (16-Jun-1958<), where they are said to be recognised as champions in West Virginia. The only other mention of Mae & Venus appears to be on Solie.org, which itself cites the long out-of-print Wrestling Title Histories by Duncan Royal & Gary Will.

I can't seem to find any other information of Mae & Venus at all, let alone as champions. Given that their reigns could conceivably be for a local championship, rather than the NWA title, should these reigns remain on this list, or should they be removed, with a note on the relevant reigns of these time periods? Morogth (talk) 10:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)