Talk:Nag champa/Archive 1

Is there some reason most of this article was deleted?
Why has most of the information that was present in this article been deleted? What purpose does that serve? How does Wikipedia or its readers benefit from it? What is wrong with you people. -Artificial Silence (talk) 21:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Drug use
There is no reason to associate drug use with nag champa.

Shrinivas Sugandhalaya scents
Shrinivas Sugandhalaya manufacturers many different scents of incense. However, their most popular and well known scent is called "Satya Sai Baba," named after the spiritual leader. This is the scent that comes in the familiar blue box. Because Shrinivas Sugandhalaya is so well known for this particular scent, they usually print a reference to this on all of their packaging for brand recognition. It's quite common to see horizontal borders on the packaging with the text "SAI BABA NAG CHAMPA SAI BABA NAG CHAMPA..." repeating for the length of the border.

This is the most comprehensive list I was able to put together to date of all of the different scents currently available by Shrinivas Sugandhalaya. Most all of these are considered variations of nag champa:


 * Aastha
 * Ajaro
 * Apple Champa
 * Banana Champa
 * Beauty
 * Black Blossom
 * Blue Diamond
 * Chandan
 * Cherry Champa
 * Coconut Champa
 * Creamy Musk
 * Fantasy
 * Floral Basket: Frangy Pani
 * Floral Basket: Marigold
 * Floral Basket: Mogra
 * Floral Basket: Pink Lilac
 * Floral Basket: Soorangi
 * Floral Basket: Waterlily
 * Fresh Rose
 * Geet Govind
 * Hari Om
 * Hariom
 * Ishana
 * Jagannath
 * Jasjo
 * Kailashnath
 * Kanhaiya
 * Kanhya
 * Kiku
 * Kubera
 * Leeladhar
 * Manmohan
 * Milan
 * Musk Champa
 * Nandalal
 * Narmada
 * Natraj
 * Natural
 * Nectar
 * Neelkanth
 * Oriental Basket: Amber
 * Oriental Basket: Frankincense
 * Oriental Basket: Lavender
 * Oriental Basket: Patchouli
 * Oriental Basket: Sandal
 * Oriental Basket: Vetivert
 * Parlok
 * Parmeshwari
 * Patchouli Champa
 * Pavitra
 * Pineapple Champa
 * Rajdhani
 * Rajmukut
 * Rakshak
 * Ratha Chakra
 * Rose Masala
 * Royal
 * Sairam
 * Sarvam
 * Satya Flora
 * Satya Sai Baba
 * Shashvata
 * Shivshankar
 * Siddhivinayak
 * Strawberry
 * Strawberry Champa
 * Super Hit
 * Super Sandal (cones)
 * Super Sandal (sticks)
 * Supreme
 * Suvarna
 * Swarna
 * T.T. Loban
 * Tropical Fruit Basket: Apple
 * Tropical Fruit Basket: Banana
 * Tropical Fruit Basket: Coconut
 * Tropical Fruit Basket: Orange
 * Tropical Fruit Basket: Pineapple
 * Tropical Fruit Basket: Raspberry
 * Tufan
 * Valley of Roses
 * Vanilla Champa
 * Vishwa Shanti

Artificial Silence 10:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC) few of these products have been discontinued but nagchampa is arguably there best incense, also there distributors are AAroma international —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.226.81.106 (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
Shouldn't the section be restored and renamed "In popular culture"? Ryan Vesey 00:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If it has reliable secondary sources to indicate importance (per WP:IPC), sure. The sources those entries had were the lyrics, which are primary sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Total Confusion
The main article is IMHO a total confusion of concepts that you can find spread all over Internet but they are far from being the truth, they just add misinformation, may be in the interest of the incense manufacturers, who want to keep their "secrets".

Let's review the topics:

Magnolia champaca or Michelia champaca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnolia_champaca gives an orange colored fragrant flower used to make concretes and absolutes for perfumery use, but surely not for incense scenting as it is very expensive, may be in the old good days was used but not nowadays.

Plumeria spp. or frangipani http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frangipani are heavily scented flowers, used in perfumery too.

Ailanthus malabarica or A. triphysa gives a soft, brown resin called halmaddi his main use is as a binder, but it does not smell like Champaca or plumeria ( I have it and have sampled it) when it smolders I'm not sure if it is higroscopic, but it is kept under a water layer to maintain it soft and pliable. You may have read that Halmaddi is getting very expensive and its usage in agarbattis has been reduced this is only half true. Halmaddi is not expensive, but it has been reduced or excluded, in the Incense mix the reason is that there are much more cheaper substitutes used today; And yes, this change has affected the olfactory profile of the incense sticks.

Satalum album http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santalum_album ,surely many years ago it was used, but today if it is used, is in the form of wasted wood after essential oil extraction, so it serves as a burning wood base, but gives few or no scent to the mix

Resume: Nor Michelia champaca, nor Plumeria/Frangipani, nor Ailanthus malabarica, nor Santalum album gives off the typical Nag Champa scent you are accustomed and is widely recognized.

What is Nag Champa then ?: It's a synthetic perfumery creation, and I would like to emphasize the word "synthetic" as there are very few or no natural essential oils in his composition, which tries to replicate the smell of an ancient Incense mixture, may be, prepared for sacred use by monks in the monasteries.

What natural products where in the ancient and original formulation ??? I would be very glad to know it, if somebody, out there knows it, please give me the formula... Divine knowledge.

Most of Nag Champa Agarbattis are "diped sticks" not "masala" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incense (7.2 Indian Incense section) to understand the difference between the two processes.

Esteve Fabregas

fabregasesteve Incense Exchange group


 * Plumeria is native to the New World; it's hard to believe that this is the "champa" used in this ancient Indian incense. Kortoso (talk) 18:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)