Talk:Nagant M1895/Archive 1

improvement
This article in everything refers to the russian m1892, and it should have some generic info. Eg the Nagant existed at least since 1887, and was not designed in 1895 as the info table said. I think now is better, as it starts with a generic intro and then goes to the Russian M1895. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.5.243 (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Naming
I think that
 * we should keep Nagant M1895 article where it is since it is a proper name for the weapon
 * we might add Nagan as a subsection of Nagant M1895; however, as I see it, me might just copy it into Nagant M1895 as a section and leave Nagan "as is" under Wikipedia "alternative spelling" policy with some regional disambiguation.
 * in any case, there should be a redirect from Nagan to Nagant M1895, as I see it

I came across this page and it looks like it needs to be merged a bit more. I understand from the talk that it was initally from the Nagan article, which was merged and now redirects here. Currently, IMO, the page looks a bit like an eyesore, with the duplication of information in the two seperate sections. I would like to combine the section detailing it's service history and use in Russia into a single paragraph and keep the technical data to itself. --YoungFreud 17:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

.32 cartridges
Just a note to the author(s) .32 H&R magnum ammo has been used in these revolvers as well. One of the distributors that advertises in Shotgun News even goes so far as to advertise that .32 H&R mags work in them. Considering the liabilty issues involved in such an assertion, I can only assume that none of the revolvers have experienced a catastrophic malfunction from that practice. (break here)

Having done so, I can tell you that .32S&W Short, .32S&W long, and .32 H&R Magnum ammunition will funciton in the original cylinder. However, the cartridges all swell since the chamber is made for the tapered 7.62x38R, and the .32 H&R cartridges swell most dramatically and are on the bare edge of splitting (which would qualify as a catastrophic failure, though it would result in a peppering of powder and a scorched back of hand). If it is to be mentioned, mentioned that light factory .32 H&R can be used, not heavier loads like those issued by Georgia Arms or Black Hills Ammo. --Mfree 17:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

dangerous sugestion
Against my better judgement, I tried the 32 H&R magnum. There were a few problems: 1) yes, the case does swell, which indicates: 2) the cartridge fits in the hole, but not securely, in fact, I was able to push the entire cartridge into the cylinder (instead of the rim fitting flush with the back of the cylinder face) 3) I was pepered in the face with a primer that had been blown clear of the loosly fitting cartridge.

Now I must pontificate - the NRA pulbication "The basics of Pistol Shooting" (first addition - January, 1991 states on page 10: "It is essential to always use the proper cartridge in a pistol. Only a cartridge that has been designed for a particular gun can be fired safely in that gun. It is dangerous to fire the wrong cartridge in a pistol"

mentioning the 32-20 reloading die should remain (because it resized the case to fit the cylinder) but all reference to other .32 calibers that simply 'fit in the hole' should be removed.

However, I did see a replacement cylinder that allows the use of .32acp cartridges - this would be worth mentioning (http://www.buymilsurp.com/cylinder-32-acp-replacement-m1895-nagant-revolver-p-476.html?zenid=68afd5093679b19a411960c42648cdc4)

Thank you,

RMN

it often comes with a cylinder chambered for 32s.--Krasilschic (talk) 20:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's what RMN said. This entire section seems beyond the purview of the discussion page, though. This is OR and dangerous OR as was indicated.  The .32 ACP cartridge has no greater pressure than that of the original cartridge, but does not 'fit in the hole' of the original cylinder.  Further, the Nagant was never intended to fire conventional cartridges therefore the cylinder gap is going to be, by necessity, wider than a purpose-built revolver. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There's absolutely no danger at all involved in using .32 S&W Long catridges in a Nagant M1895; it's widely acknowledged amongst collectors as the "acceptable substitute" cartridge for 7.62x38R since that cartridge is very, very expensive and very difficult to obtain. .32 H&R Magnum and .32ACP are not recommended substitutes, except with the .32ACP cylinder (proofed for that cartridge) installed. Commander Zulu (talk) 00:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know how "Common" you're talking about. Just a quick check of their base and rim diameters yields this:


 * Nagant: .352" x .388" significant taper case
 * .32 ACP: .337" x .358" straight case
 * .32 Long Colt: .318" x .374" slight taper case
 * .32 S&W Long: .337" x .375" straight case
 * Looks to me like it'd be really dangerous to shoot the .32 ACP and the .32 Long Colt and a bit silly to shoot the .32 S&W Long as, well, I don't find .37 S&W long often either. I personally shoot .32 ACP in my .32 H&R Magnum with no ill effects, but I'm sure as heck not going to recommend anybody do it. Again, though, not really the appropriate place for this discussion.  This is forum/blog/gun store type of talk. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 01:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

My comment was directed at one particular sentance:
 * "Other cartridges—.32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum, and custom handloads using .32-20 Winchester, .30 Carbine or .223 Remington cases—will also chamber and fire in the revolver but will not achieve the gas seal."

With the exception of the 32-20 (which actually gets resized by the reloading dies), I thought it was dangerous to 'document' that these other cartriges are accpetable replacements for the orginal round. I think it should be removed, or rewitten to something like:
 *  "Due the relative scarcity and expense of the 7.62x38r caridge there are a number of alternatives. Lee makes a reloading die that will resize 32-20 cases to the proper size (put refence to lee's website). Additionally, an after market cylinder, chambered for .32 acp is available from such-and-such." 

I know this is wiki, and I can edit it my self, but I didn't was to presume without discussing it first.

Thank you RMN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.104.220 (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)