Talk:NameBase/Archive 1

Daniel Brandt redirects here
So, Daniel Brandt redirects here? Why? Why not Googlewatch, Wikipediawatch or anything else he's done that warrants a Wikipedia article? Where is the mention of any of that at all? If we're going to pretend to represent this neutrally, at least Public Information Research isnt' about a specific event in his life. FrozenPurpleCube 04:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you're surprised to end up here from Daniel Brandt, you might want to see the closure of the Articles for deletion/Daniel Brandt (14th nomination), and the deletion review of that AFD closure (which is ongoing): Deletion_review/Daniel_Brandt_2. -R. S. Shaw 04:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Having recently been redirected here and seeing the red link for "Daniel Brandt," I had to run all over the Internet to find reliable information about him. The article should be added.  This is not enough information.   Saebvn (talk) 17:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Article
This article is about NameBase not Daniel Brandt and I see no need to mention him here. It reads like someone trying to evade our community decision to get rid of the bio, whether that is correct or not. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is reflecting what the source says though. Not mentioning the creator of the tool which is the subject of the article would be an editorial oversight, akin to not mentioning Von Braun in the article on the V-2 rocket. God did not come down and form NameBase out of clay one day. Additionally, I have a source flying though the mail as we speak, a self-styled encyclopedia with a whole article on Brandt and probably NameBase as well, which, from the blurbs I can access on line, suggest a second creator was also involved, so I expect to be expanding this. (It's truly ironic I need to purchase another encyclopedia to find out information which this encyclopedia works so hard to obscure.) -- Kendrick7talk 19:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I do wonder why we don't merge this article and GW and WW into PIR and just have the one article, that would certainly solve problems such as this one, and they all seem tiny little articles (i always think one big articl;e is better than several smaller ones. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * NameBase seems notable in it's own right. Last time a merge was attempted, a sock-puppeteer (User:Arkalochori) took the opportunity to slowly vandalize away all sorts of sourced information. I'd rather keep the eggs in separate baskets; no reason for this useful research tool from decades ago should have to share the disrepute and enmity which some other of Brandt's creations endure around here. -- Kendrick7talk 20:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the other Wikipedias with (shock) sourced articles on Daniel Brandt note another few websites we don't cover. Interesting early write-up here. I guess there might be a relationship tied up in this organisation, although even the address of other early web locations (well, at least pre namebase.org and blocking the internet archive spider) indicates that for the purposes of the past ten years or so, PIR is Brandt and Brandt is PIR is Brandt... John Nevard (talk) 03:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Bit of information here and here that I've missed up until now. John Nevard (talk) 04:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes but it is a PIR web site which is why it would make sense. And as a wikipedia editor I see no difference between this and GW or even WW (whatever my personal opinions of the latter may be). I recognise such a change would be controversial and would need consensus but if the articles have been split up for the wrong reasons (ie reasons not having to do with editorial judgement) it may be worth trying to obtain a merge consensus not merely for this article but for GW and WW at the same time. With a large watchlist I unquestionably would find it easier say to stop vandalism if there were 1 and not 4 articles (and I think we need to take a vandfalsim threat very seriously because of BLP concerns). Thanks, SqueakBox 20:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd be rather suspicious of such a move at this point. Due to the history of unscrupulous admin deletions in this area, and as certain members of the community have adopted an unwritten policy of deleting articles about otherwise notable people they don't like, this move could be seen as an attempt to build a super-constituency to do so yet again; i.e. a merged article would be hated on by spooks (NameBase), admins (WW), and google reps (GW). Especially lumping anything else in with Wikipedia Watch would put the larger content on death row, as recent history now suggests any admin could get away with deleting that article on a whim, and pretend thenceforth to have had consensus afterwards, much like the imaginary AfD which deleted the Daniel Brandt article: simply a fairy tale admins tell new editors. -- Kendrick7talk 20:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it very difficult to respond to what you have just said. I feel sorry for admins who have to make difficult decisions and then inevitably get criticised by one side or the other and would not care for the responsibilities of being an admin. I can see where you are coming from now but disagree with pretty much every opinion you have raised here. I have seen no fairy tales, no illicit admin action and certainly nobody has deleted wikipedia watch, and I have been around this subject a long time. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't see any super-article happening either. Namebase seems to have always had a little seperation from Brandt/Public Information Research's more focused attacks on the CIA and more widely adopted research methods. John Nevard (talk) 18:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Broken link
The Nancy O'Hanlon article on "research strategies for the Internet Age", that is quoted in the article, has a broken link. Since it refers to the Deep Web it is particularly notable. Can someone, perhaps at Ohio State or her current institution, reform the link ?Rgdboer (talk) 23:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)