Talk:Name of Austria

Latin translation
Can't someone translate the Latin text into English? 惑乱 分からん 14:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Ostmark
There is another article of Ostmark mentioning the similar contents with this article. It should be combine to this. --QBay 05:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Sorry, misunderstand --QBay 05:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

slavonic origin
The article says:
 * There is, however, good reason to believe that the term Ostarrîchi is taken from the local (Slavonic) expression 'Ostarik' meaning 'pointed hill', taking its popular meaning of 'Eastern realm' at a much later time.

This is the first time I see this etymology. I find it highly interesting, but we need a source for this claim. What was the "local language" at the time? --Austrian (talk) 14:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The origin of this slavonic hypothesis is professor Otto Kronsteiner from the Slavistics Institute of the University of Salzburg. He published it in the year 1996, when the official Austria was celebrating its 1000 year of existance. See the german article and its very long discussion for details. --El bes (talk) 17:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I see, so I am not a guy from the East (Ost-rian), but rather a guy with a pointed head (Ostri-an)... At least if professor Kronsteiner is right. But we should make it clear that this is not the mainstream opinion. --Austrian (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I like your edit. It is short and contains the significant information. --El bes (talk) 17:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

النمسا An-Namsa
In Arabic Austria is calledالنمسا An-Namsa. This derives from the Slavic word for German--nemets. As Austria was the largest German speaking nation to border the Muslim world (the Ottoman Empire) Austria was called Namsa or Namcha in Ottoman Turkish, Persian and Arabic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahassan05 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

False cognate?
The article says:

"Reich also means "realm" or "empire", but this is a false cognate."

but then goes on to say:

"Österreich is derived from Old High German Ostarrîchi ... Old High German rihhi had the meaning of "realm, domain"."

So it sounds like reich and richi are in fact cognates? I'm confused. --Jfruh (talk) 04:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's nonsense: "Reich" and "rihhi" are simply the same word. I removed the "false cognate" claim. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 21:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Ostarrîchi vs. Osterrîchi
The lead derives "Österreich" from the Old High German word Osterrîchi and implies that Ostarrîchi is known from a single source. The next section derives it from Old High German Ostarrîchi, from ōstan "eastern", and goes on to speak about the variant Ostarrîchi. I suppose the error is in the first sentence of section one, but that doesn't seem to fit the a in ōstan. Could someone clarify? --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 18:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

PS. Neither dewiki nor barwiki mention Osterrîchi. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Further down, the article only mentions that, besides the expected Old High German form "Ostarrichi", the (obviously later, Middle High German) form "Osterriche" is also attested. "Osterrichi" is simply a contamination of the two, but I've never seen it anywhere – it doesn't seem to be attested. So I've gone and removed it. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 21:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Diacritics
The use of diacritics in this article is confusing. It should be explicit on the precise spellings attested in the sources, and especially the diacritics which are found as such, and those which are not. If the sources always spell ostarrichi/osterriche, adding circumflexes as length diacritics is essentially an interpretation (especially in the case of a name whose etymology is the subject of some controversy). At least be consistent. If Ostarrichi is derived from ōstan/ōstar- and rīhhi, either add macrons on both parts of the word or leave them away completely. Ostarrîchi is a weird mixture. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Etymology of Noricum
I am very doubtful about the following, especially since it does not appear in any relevant articles in the German or Bavarian Wikipedias:
 * Austrian historian Friedrich Heer stated in his book Der Kampf um die österreichische Identität (The Struggle Over Austrian Identity), that the name has an older history, originating with the Celtic name of Noricum which Heer takes as No- or Nor- meaning "east" or "eastern",[dubious – discuss] and -rig "realm, dominion",[dubious – discuss] so that both the Latin Marchia orientalis and the German Ostarrîchi would ultimately be renditions of the Celtic name. 

Does anyone know what Heer's source was?

Our Noricum article does not provide an etymology, merely stating that it was named after the lost city of Noreia: "The original population appears to have consisted of Pannonians (a people kin to the Illyrians), who, after the great migration of the Gauls, became subordinate to various Celto-Ligurian tribes, chief amongst them being the Taurisci, who were probably identical with the Norici of Roman sources, so called after their capital Noreia, whose location is, as yet, unknown." The Noreia article does not explain the etymology.

Furthermore, reconstructed Proto-Celtic lexicons do not list "nor-" at all. There are different versions of reconstructed word for east, including *φari-tero (phari-tero) (University of Wales) and *usāri-s (Proto-Celtic Language [Facebook group]). (The Gaelic for east is Thoir, pronounced something like "tair" while eastern is oirthear or "air-her"; the Welsh equivalents are "Dwyrain", which is pronounced something like "doorin" and dwyreiniol, "dooriniol".)

Grant &#124;  Talk  09:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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