Talk:Namie Amuro/Archive 1

Just a heads up
Over the next few weeks I will be creating separate pages for all of Amuro's releases. These pages will include track listings, album covers, etc. in accordance with Wikipedia's Singles and Albums projects. Therefore, I will be removing all the rankings from the mainpage because that information will be presented within each individual page. Also, because I feel the mainpage discography looks a little cluttered. I hope no one has a problem with this. NATEamx 09:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Janet Reno?
Changed 'idolizes american pop singer Janet Reno' to 'Janet Jackson'. Amuro's appreciation for Janet Jackson has been documented in a number of Japanese magazines...Janet Reno (ex US Secretary of Interior) apparently actually has recently released some pop music...but I still think this entry was in error... 11/08/05 KMC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.227.61.89 (talk) 05:29, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Ganguro inspiration?
I thought I read somewhere that Namie was credited with "starting" the Ganguro phenomenon. Is there any truth to that? Even if she didn't start it but is popularly thought of as starting it, it should be mentioned in this article. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 18:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's so much that she started it, it's more like "ganguro" was an evolution of "Amura." "Amura" was a tanned skin, dyed hair, platform shoes fad in the mid '90s named after her. Ganguro is more like an extreme version of it. I supposed it should be mentioned and I'll see about adding it somewhere appropriate when I have the time.NATEamx 01:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing of the discography
I've edited the discography to be tables and at the same time removed the listings for the singles "Koi no CUTE BEAT/Mr. USA" to "Stop the music," as they pertain directly to her career with the group the SUPER MONKEY'S and not her actual solo career. I will create the SUPER MONKEY'S page soon and those singles will be listed there, so I hope no one objects. NATEamx 04:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone already did that, so nevermind.NATEamx 05:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Fan sites
Is it okay to list fan sites in the first place? If it is not, I know some of the sites I can remove right away. mirageinred 19:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

comments on the latest edits
There are a few things I would like to discuss about some of the recent changes.


 * 1) TK and Namie did not stop working together after the release of "PLEASE SMILE AGAIN." He produced her 4th album "break the rules" before unofficially breaking ties with her.
 * 2) Also, the information regarding "PARADISE TRAIN" is incorrect. "PARADISE TRAIN," is not the first solo Namie single. That single as well as "TRY ME ~Watashi wo Shinjite~" were released under the Namie Amuro with Super Monkey's name. "Taiyou no SEASON" is her first technical solo single even though "Body Feels EXIT" is credited as her official solo debut single. The mention of "PARADISE TRAIN" doesn't seem all that relevant especially when it is incorrectly stated as the start of her solo career. Where the information is placed within the body of the biography is incorrect as well. "PARADISE TRAIN" through "Stop the music" where part of her Super Monkey days on Toshiba EMI. If they are to be mentioned, they need to be mentioned before the sentence that states she switched record companies.
 * 3) Removing the SUITE CHIC releases from the featured releases section into it's own section is pointless. SUITE CHIC is a collaborative project, it was appropriate where it was. If a distinction for SUITE CHIC is going to be made, a collaboration section should be removed and everything listed under that section should be given its own distinction.

I have removed the newly added second paragraph of the biography section because of what I've written above. I have also removed the new section for "SUITE CHIC" and moved it back under the collaborative releases header to further stress that point.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by NATEamx (talk • contribs) 11:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * IF her Grampa was American it does not mean she is not itallian. becuase there is no American race the country was bulit on immigrants So he could be 100% itallian but lived in America so it is okay so say she is part itallian and not American. As for her saying she is Japanese and not mixed its becuase Japan is a contry that is 99% Japanese so its just better for her job if she calls her self Japanese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.192.197.79 (talk) 02:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Any image from the Super Monkey days?
Okay, each section of her biography now has an image as requested except for the Super Monkeys section. Any image available? mirageinred 05:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Messy
The biography section is really long. Somebody should format it to look like the Ayumi Hamasaki and BoA articles, with the little subheadings and descriptions and album cover photos. Why sigh, cutie pie? 06:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I tried to fix it.. Take a look at the article, cuz it just got a major makeover. If you see any problems, don't hesitate to improve it as u see fit. mirageinred 05:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That's better. We still don't have any citations, but most articles on Asian artists don't, so. ― Sturr  Refill/lol 03:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to fix the problem now. I'll be going through the article and essentially rewriting it fixing redundant language, keeping what is sourcable and tossing out most of what can't. I've already started but as you can probably tell it is very hard to find English language sources that are 100% accurate even from legitimate news sites. NATEamx 11:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Biography changes
I will be editing the complete biography to improve the overall quality of the article. I have given the subtopic specific titles and as you may notice the information may not fit the title. The articles will be changed to fit the subtitles. Also, I have chosen to use "The Amura Boom" as the Japanese call a trend a "boom" and often the Amuro phenomenon will be labled an amura boom. I would appreciate those who take issue with the subtitles to wait for the rest of the articles to be rewritten before changing them. NATEamx 02:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks to your work, the article is now a B-class. We might as well bring it to a GA status.=) mirageinred 19:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Assessment
I recommend you take the article to WP:GA review. DrKiernan 10:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There are several parts of the article that still need rewriting specifically the parts that follow her later career. I would not offer the article for WP:GA until those changes have been made either by myself or something else. NATEamx 07:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

commercials
hi

may I ask why apparently a commercial section is not allowed? The Ayumi Hamasaki page has one, and while it's unsourced it's quite difficult to find sources for that sort of thing. Most of the commercials I've found are available for viewing on veoh or youtube (and all the ones I posted I actually have on my computer). If anyone wants to put the section back, it's in the history. Thanks.

Atashida 09:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You can find sources for commercial information in magazines on the artists. Sometimes even the aritsts official discography (or their labels site) will list the commercial tie-ups. If possible try looking around and asking your fellow Amuro fans if any of them have a magazine that lists her discography along with tie-ups in it, or trying looking into her site/labels site to see if they list them Hedatari 17:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Article Needs Help
This article has not improved much since I stopped editing it. It has actually devolved into bullet points. I think editors of this page should start rewriting all areas of it to improve its quality, not simply adding on various factoids. It would be nice if this page could mirror that of Ayumi Hamasaki's page which to my surprise (I haven't seen it since it was similar in quality to this page) is actually very good. I will start to make large and small changes very soon and of course, I will try to source everything I can. You guys should help out too. NATEamx (talk) 11:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to contribute a little, especially in the areas of citations. I was able to bring Ayumi Hamasaki's article up to GA status, so I'll see what I can do here. The Habitual Nose-Picker Sometimes Known as Thanatous (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 07:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "comeback queen" :
 * Fixed, I preferred the first one, implied by the parameters. -- kazu ( talk ) 09:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

"Queen of J-Pop"?
I was wondering if there is a source to the "Queen of J-Pop" claim. According to the article on Ayumi Hamasaki, she is called the "empress of J-Pop". I thought queen and empress were basically the same titles. Are there two gueens/empresses or is one superior to the other? Sebisthlm (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There are a few sources that call Amuro the "Queen of Japanese pop", I'll cite the statement later. As to the difference between "queen" and "empress"...well, a queen is a ruler of just one nation/territory, while an empress is a ruler of multiple nations/territories. I guess that reflects Hamasaki's bigger sales/popularity/whatever. As to who is better...well, that's a matter of opinion that I'm not willing to venture into... :P Ink Runner (talk) 18:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply! Even though I'm not sure you can make such a distinction between queen and empress (look at the English queen, ruler of the Commonwealth of Nations...) my point is more that I'm not so sure such a statement belongs in a wiki article since it's kind of POV. If you look at the articles on two contenders for the queen of pop title, Madonna and Britney Spears, neither of them are labeled as such event hough they both often have been called that. Now, I know nothing of J-Pop and had never heard of either Amuro or Hamasaki before coming in contact with them through remixes of their songs (by Shinichi Osawa and MSTRKRFT respectively). So of the only two J-Pop stars I've looked up on Wikipedia one is the queen and the other the empress. Strange... Sebisthlm (talk) 00:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think it will be too confusing, since Amuro's article says that "at the height of her popularity" (the nineties) she was the "Queen" of J-pop, while Hamasaki is the current "Empress". And there are reliable sources to back that up. Ink Runner (talk) 04:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, fair enough. Thanks for the clarifications and happy editing. Cheers! Sebisthlm (talk) 13:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

SHOUTING
Why do so many of the singles have their names rendered in ALL CAPS? Is this their original romaji rendering? If they really must be done that way, does anyone know if it's possible to use "small caps"? Alai 05:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree, it's pretty annoying. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY! -lol. You can see that all songs are in CAPS in the middle, and even in the listing. I think somebody should do something about it Omernos 00:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The title of the songs are really all in caps. While I am not sure of the actual reason, the all cap titles are very very common for JPop songs and albums. I don't see any need to change them. Tom Foolery 20:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's because when you use Japanese input typing it automatically converts letters to hiragana/katakana. So they type the name in caps to avoid this(won't convert capped text), and other people copy it for no reason. 72.24.76.252 05:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * To my knowlegde, most of her English titles are in all caps, and the reason they should be left as so is that, for instance, "Baby Don't Cry" is not in all caps, while "CAN'T SLEEP, CAN'T EAT, I'M SICK" and "FUNKY TOWN" are... so, she (or avex) must have a reason for it... vinyabarion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.66.109 (talk) 03:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I actually believe it has nothing to do with when they translate it back and forth. If this were really the case, well, they're big people cranking out the tunes of Japanese citizens who need to hear them in the car, while making their morning coffee, or even in the shower. I think that someone just started doing that as a trend, or maybe was under the impression it looked better, so other celebrities followed through. Actually, it seems to be a very common thing among the female celebs, but not so much among males (maybe I'm wrong, I don't listen to them much), as someone already pointed out. But yes, it's rather difficult when it gets to the computer and the fans have to compulsively switch the titles around. ★ Dasani ★ 23:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not considered shouting in Japanese, and it's done on purpose. It has to do with two things, mainly - that historical use of different characters with the same sounds, for different effect Hiragana are considered more girlish/kawaii, while katakana represent manly/foreign things. The use of English is a cool factor. A good example of this is Hamasaki Ayumi, who uses hiragana for her first name, as opposed to Amuro, who uses the kanji, or Utada Hikaru, who uses katakana. Cinnamingirl (talk) 05:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrong kanji
I've changed the kanji for the last character of her name from 恵 to 惠. The two kanji are very similar, however according to the official site, it is 恵. Also, Google search for 惠 brings more hits in japanese, while 恵 gets hits from fansites, etc. --  李博杰    | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 04:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops, ignore that. I got my IMEs mixed around. --  李博杰    | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 04:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

early life and CAPS
I changed the 'the identity of her father is unknown' to 'Emiko's father's identity is unknown'. ie: amuro's father is not unknown (how the article read), but Amuro's mother's father's (maternal grandfather's) identity is unknown (which is what I suspect was intended and what is often said in the Japanese media).

BTW, I still think that Emiko's father was an Italian-American US serviceman, not a true Italian (from Italy), but no smoking gun proof, so I'll let it ride. My point is that though Americans are descended from immigrants, and an American of Italian ancestry may call himself 'Italian', he really isn't: by the post WWII era most American 'Italians' were many generation Americans who had never been to Italy, could not speak Italian, etc. But it is a minor point, and I do not KNOW if Emiko's father was 'Italian-American' or a true Italian, so I'm fine with the article as it is.

Also, as for why the song titles are often in CAPS, that is a Japanese convention. When writing in romaji (western alphabet) true English words are written in CAPS to distinguish them from ordinary Japanese words written in the western alphabet. ex: watashi ni shinjite = TRUST ME. As such the use of CAPS for song titles using english words (ex: WANT ME! WANT ME!) is true to Japanese usage and I feel is correct. The usage of caps in this context does not imply shouting, as is the normal convention in English typing....

KMC 12/22/06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.31.106.36 (talk) 15:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC).


 * This has been discussed several times, you can see the main discussion here, plus other smaller discussions here (WikiProject Japan) and here (J-pop article), here (WikiProject Songs) and here (WikiProject Albums). In the end, the consensus is that we should fit the names according to our manual of style for trademarks and the naming conventions for albums and bands, that request us to use proper capitalization regardless of how it has been trademarked. -- ReyBrujo 03:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I just have to say on this subject, even if it has already by decided, that I have a copy of BEST FICTION (all in caps) and on the back of the album where it lists all the tracks and PVs, that WANT ME, WANT ME and White Light are right next to one another, so are ALL FOR YOU and shine more, so are Put 'Em Up and SO CRAZY. This is the correct capitalization of these songs. And really only in foreign languages is this applicable as Western sources know that capitalization is, usually, only for looks, but these songs have been put on an album with other songs in correct English capitalization and no caps at all, but it just seems incorrect to spell them any differently than Amuro's production team has them spelled out. By the way, all of the back cover is in the same type set as per an argument in the main discussion at the link you posted.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinyabarion (talk • contribs) 17:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Removed text
This text (Amuro tended to regain popularity, but she did not want to obtrude herself on the public anymore.) and the revised version (Amuro wished to regain popularity, but she did not want to obtrude herself on the public anymore.) is continuously being removed. It seems as if no one is reading it as a whole. The sentence which is being deemed as "meaningless" HAS meaning. To sum up the sentence it is basically saying that Amuro wanted to become popular agian she just didn't want to force herself onto the public anymore. It's really not that hard to copperhead. Kww removed it due to the word "obtrude" being used in the sentence. If he did not know the meaning a quick search would have gave him the meaning and it would make the supposed "meaningless" sentence, meaningful. MS  (Talk | Contributions)  12:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Namie's high school
A line was added about "Amuro's mother survived on a more modest income, and she walked two hours every morning to attend classes at the special acting high school" was removed. This is a well-known fact about her, and I think that's quite notable for a woman who's become quite the celebrity in Japan despite all her struggles. ★ Dasani ★ 07:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * However, I can't seem to find a decent news source, so if anyone can read Japanese, maybe they can find a source for it? All Google gives me is fansites and organizations. But it's definitely something that should be added to the article, given that references can be found. ★ Dasani ★ 08:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

InuYasha
I didn't see it anywhere, but one of Namie Amuro's songs was also used as a closing theme for the anime version of "InuYasha." I don't know much about this artist, but I didn't see that reflected in this article OR even see the name of the song, "Come," listed as one of her singles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.80.36.13 (talk) 13:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, two songs of Amuro Namie were used in InuYasha, last time I checked my CDs... I don't know if that was included in the article or not, but both "Come" and "Four Seasons" were used; Come was used for the 6th season, I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong), and Four Seasons was used as the end song for the 3rd InuYasha move Swords of an Honorable Ruler. Mizu onna sango15 22:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Come is 7th Season Ending theme, but it is usually listed as "Come My Way" by Inu-Yasha fans... is this official or just assumed?                     ~Rayvn  02:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Only female to have singles in the top ten for 14 consecutive years
Yumi Matsutoya had number 1 albums (not event a matter of top ten) for 15 consecutive years ! See her wikipedia page. And for singles, Seiko Matsuda had 24 consecutive singles number 1, record recently broken by Ayumi hamasaki. So for these reasons I think the "top ten singles for 14 years" matter, despite its truth, is an unimportant information or too much orientated information making to think it's exceptional in term of longevity or ranking, though it's not comparing to Matsuda, Matsutoya, or Hamasaki. That's why I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.192.57.37 (talk) 19:34, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:Japan Assessment Commentary
The article has been assessed as Start-class, for deficiencies in Coverage, References, and Grammar & Style. This is mostly an excellent article, and it appears someone or some group of editors put some time and effort into the article. However, the quality drops considerably in the 2011 section. It appears some enthusiastic fan(s) wrote hastily and with little regard for Wikipedia style. There are paragraphs without references; much of the material appears to be outdated, using words like "currently" though clearly talking about early 2011 (thus the coverage/accuracy problem); there is a clear lack of wiki-links; and there were many cases of abbreviations, lack of correct punctuation, some use of slang or jargon, and perhaps an unnecessary amount of detail. In other words, it needs to be cleaned up. I did some, but as I am not knowledgeable on the subject, I can not do an in-depth copyedit. Good luck. Boneyard90 (talk) 19:54, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Mother
Added a line about Namie's mother; could someone put in some info about her divorce as well? --Gau 04:28, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Is it certain that Amuro's mother was half-Italian? I thought in the mother's book "Yakusoku" [Promises] that she implied that her true father was a US serviceman.
 * It should also be noted that Amuro Namie has always referred to herself as 'Japanese' and has not made much of her mixed ancestry. [4/6/05 - KMC] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.31.106.35 (talk) 17:11, 6 April 2005 (UTC)


 * there a lot of source (online newspapers, for example) where it's written... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.20.112.46  (talk) 13:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Really? I thought Amuro's mother said that she never really knew for sure. mirageinred 19:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Amuro does look mixed in certain photos, however, Japanese tend to be mixed with a lot of things (Chinese, Korean, and all sorts of Caucasian, sometimes even Brazilian or Peruvian). I have always believed she was a quarter Italian, however, like others mentioned... in any case, she only acts and speaks Japanese (with some conversational English). ★ Dasani ★ 01:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As for the matter of ancestry, we don't speculate based on how she looks or what languages she speaks. This is Wikipedia; we rely on published sources. TIME Magazine wrote she is "One quarter Italian." 124.161.106.139 (talk) 05:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm too lazy to log in. I meant to say that I have heard that she is a quarter Italian, but she really doesn't act it. She only speaks Japanese (with some conversational English). If she is a quarter Italian truly, I would not be surprised because her physical appearance also seems to indicate so. If the magazines and news confirm it, then there you are. You don't need to be so defensive about such a matter. 75.4.242.131 (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: The following comment is a reply to another comment that was deleted by the author. 18:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, so it's a conspiracy then? That's nice, but we need a reliable source for this claim to have any significance on this article. Sorafune   +1  17:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Italian is a citizenship or nationality and NOT a race. If the Grandfather was an Italian, Amuro's mother would be half European/Caucasian 82.54.41.238 (talk) 15:30, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Can we PLEASE change that picture?
It's old and not even that great of a picture. It does her no justice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.22.68 (talk) 01:04, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There are no other free alternatives at the moment. If we do find one, we can replace the main picture. Ryoga Godai (talk) 03:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * She seems to have had her tattoos removed too. Good thing! With tattoos, one is barred from entering most nightclubs, bars, restaurants and beaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baroquesmguy (talk • contribs) 15:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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