Talk:Namor

Virago
Virago is not an Atlantean, she is from Zephyrland. I have removed the mention of her from the powers section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.89.123.14 (talk) 09:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Redirect notice
Submariner no longer redirects here. It goes to a disambiguation page. The notice at the top of the page should be removed or replaced. &mdash;Stormraven (talk &middot; contribs) 11:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Secret Invasion
Some of the name links under this section were broken due to typos or incorrect names (trying to link to Parker Robbins instead of The Hood for example); I've corrected all of these.Xbriskox (talk) 14:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Am I the only one who doesn't like the picture used to illustrate this article? Carlo (talk) 01:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why the current image from the late, great Michael Turner is undesirable personally. ---D--- (talk) 12:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Speedo Namor all the way. Fuck the disco outfit in all it's forms.

I don't think the Silver Surfer was ever a member of The Defenders. He definitely wasn't one of the original members, who were Dr. Strange, the Hulk and Namor.96.232.51.247 (talk) 03:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC) Yes he was there were 4 members of the defenders —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.28.65 (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Useful book
Just stumbled across this upcoming book which should be useful for this and the Bill Everett page: Fire And Water: Bill Everett, The Sub-Mariner And The Birth Of Marvel Comics (ISBN 9781606991664) out in a few months from Fantagraphics. (Emperor (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC))

Picture (con't)

 * Change I agree with Cfortunato above that the infobox picture should be changed. Michael Turner is polarizing artist (who, by the way, played no great importance in the Namor's history). This recent Alan Davis cover (cropped) seems a much better fit and displays his current costume. --May Cause Dizziness (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair "current costume" isn't an over-riding factor. The trunks is the more recognizable character design, which is what we are shooting for. As far as the artist... it really isn't a change criteria at all, short of an over-stylized piece - ie Seinkowicz (sp) would not be a good choice. That Turner is not liked, liked, lauded, loathed, intrigal to the character, a footnote, what ever is irrelavent. The current image fits what the project guidelines are aiming for. - J Greb (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Strength levels
"Namor's strength level is such that he has held his own in hand to hand combat with beings as powerful as the Hulk in the past."

Anyone have a citation for this? Something like that should be sourced if it's to remain in the article. --21:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevehim (talk • contribs)


 * Thought I remembered this issue: Incredible Hulk #118: http://marvel.wikia.com/Incredible_Hulk_Vol_1_118 "Wanting the battle to end before any of his people can be injured, Namor attacks the still rampaging Hulk and their fight causes massive tidal waves. Eventually Namor is able to knock the Hulk out of the water and into the sky. Following the plummeting Hulk, the Sub-Mariner finds the battle is over when he finds the unconscious Hulk transforming back into Bruce Banner and so he retreats back to his kingdom to leave Banner at peace." Carlo (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Namor is an eco-terrorist
Near the end of 1940 Namor threatened to sink the island of Manhatten underneath a tidal wave while fighting the android the human torch. This was the first fight between comic book heroes. I'm pretty sure his motivation was the surface world messing with his home through pollution and naval activities; which would constitute eco-terrorism. Does someone havea better reference for him being an eco-terrorist? CensoredScribe (talk) 20:05, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Date format
Namor was created by a United States citizen (Bill Everett), published by a United States comics publisher (Timely Comics/Marvel Comics), owned by a United States corporation (The Walt Disney Company). This article should use the Month-Day-Year format of the United States per MOS:DATETIES.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Blonds Have More Fun (...With Namor)
This article is remissed on several key points of Namor's personal relationships, especially with women, and particularly with Blond "air-breathers". What this article fails to focus on is Namor's psychological short-comings sans those affecting his physical problems with air and water. Namor has "mommy issues" for sure, and I would say infatile fixations on Blond surface women. Sue Richards, Betty Dean Prentiss, and the scientist who wanted bloody revenge against Namor for killing her father, even usurping, and wielding the mystically poweful Atlantean Trident to that end! There is no section nor passage that describes this part of Namor's life and dealings with surface females. The scientist in question, came close to killing Namor, and afterwards forced Namor to question his own motivations and short-comongs; a rare thing of him to admit. This incident, shown in a four-part mini-series was probably the most poignant chapter of the brand-named character's series, as it was more of an introspection into his own flaws causing his most monumental defeats and other troubles, rather than simple reminiscences. Namor is also irrespective of personal relationships, as he persued Sue Richards with her husband Reed (and her other men-folk) standing right there! He also is oblivious to his marriage vows to the Lady Doerma (though he claims he "loves" her, it's obvious that Namor McKensie balks at his status as "husband" in an "arranged marriage"; or, does he imagine that it is his "royal privilege to consort with other women, at will? ). Or, might it be that Namor hates women that reminds him of his wayward mother, who was either a brunette, or had auburn hair, as does the Lady Dorma?  Please consider inserting the part of the blond scientist as part of the character "life", as it adds further "texture" to his profile.  --184.207.7.1 (talk) 12:54, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Veryverser

Fictional character biography
The latter part of this is so incredibly overdetailed it clearly runs way afoul of WP:CMOS — the portion from 2017 is far, far longer than the entire 75+ years before it! (1,413 words vs. 2,469 words.) I've done some trimming, but it needs much more and I urge fellow editors to help.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever rumor
From Direct.com there’s a new trending page. Regarding the possible casting and inclusion of Namor in the film. This site has usually been a reliable source. At least could the rumor be addressed in the film section for this character? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 18:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The Direct is not a reliable source. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Streamlining the Namor page
I would like to try and take on the Template message request to streamline the extremely detailed plot summary under Fictional Biography. Looking at other Marvel comic book character page, I think adopting their format of breaking up the biography by decade would be ideal. This is my first contribution to Wikipedia, so please be patient with me, as I learn the rules and formats. Helpful advice is always appreciated. Also, this is a HUGE page, for Marvel's oldest character, so it will take some time and many passes to get it up to B Class standards. Atlantean Scribe (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Namor's Name
Namor is an Atlantean and the ruler of Atlantis. Atlanteans do not use surnames in the comics. He refers to himself, and is referred to as Namor, just as his mother is Fen, his grandfather is Tha-Korr, and his first wife is Dorma. MacKenzie is a surname from another culture. It is NOT his official, original name. Please stop adding a name that the writers do not use for the character or the culture. Atlantean Scribe (talk) 04:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You are looking this from a pure WP:INUNIVERSE perspective, whereas there are multiple reliable sources which note the last name . As I mentioned, even Marvel.com indicates that his full name is . InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at from a primary source perspective. It isn't in the comics. AFAIK, the addition of his father's surname is something that occurred outside of the primary source, in articles, wikis and handbooks. Claiming that Namor McKenzie is the character's real name would be like claiming Geronimo is the Apache leader's real name. McKenzie should be listed as an alias, one that may be imposed by Westernization of his name.
 * Only one of these articles you've refernced actually addresses the surname question, and it specifically says, the surname does not appear in the comic and is not acknowledged. The writer is basically imposing their cultural bias on the character and assigning, with no proof or explanation in the article, the father's surname. Footnotes 4 and 5 don't even contain the name McKenzie so I'm not sure why you are referencing them.  Footnote 3 only uses McKenzie in the end 'bio,' where they also claim that Namor's first appeared in Marvel Comics #1 as a king and mutant, all of which is wrong.  Footnote 6 refers to Namor McKenzie as an alias, not as his real name. Furthermore, these sources aren't all that credible, and are basically a step up from Comicvine. I can write an article for these sites and NOT use McKenzie as a surname for Namor in the article. In fact, I'm sure there are far more articles that do NOT call him Namor McKenzie. 1 234567  Atlantean Scribe (talk) 08:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be ignoring the strongest piece of evidence: that the official Marvel website states his real name is Namor McKenzie. The sources I cited (ignore #4 and #5, I'm not sure why I included those) are all reliable sources, unlike Comic Vine, which is unreliable and user-generated. And note that our article on Geronimo does treat that as his "real" name (per the lead and infobox), even though his birth name is different. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, the Marvel website does not state Namor McKenzie is his real name, not in the profile or full report. You've made the assumption that whatever is listed under the character's image is the real name, but when you look at the list of characters it's clear, that is not the case. Unless you think Wong's real name is Sorcerer Supreme, that Doctor is part of Moribus' real name, that Abyss' real name is Alien, Nova Villain, that Adam II' real name is Earth-8206, that Ace's real name is G.R.A.M.P.A., that Absorbing Man's real name is Carl "Crusher" Creel, or that Namorita's real name is (legally Namorita "Nita" Prentiss in surface society). That mess is because all of the Marvel site's character profiles are originally from an unreliable user-generated wiki, that clearly hasn't been revised professionally.
 * And no, none of those sites you listed are reliable sources. Those "articles" aren't vetted or even edited and they are basically opinion pieces, often repeating rumors and copying "information" from Twitter. Are you really going to tell me a purely subjective top ten list of what superhero can beat what superhero qualifies as fact and is from a reliable source cause it is on CBR?
 * Geronimo is obviously not his real name, but it's the name that he's most known by, especially to non-indigenous people, and how people are going to search for him. The wiki handles this by placing his real name, labeled native name, in the info box below the more well known English name. In Namor's case, his real "native" name and the name he's best known by, is the same, i.e. Namor. Most people don't know him by Namor McKenzie. Atlantean Scribe (talk) 06:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Prince Triton
Yes, the two Fantastic Four episode based on Namor's Fantastic Four stories did air, but he could not appear in them for legal reasons, so he was replaced by the Gamma Ray and Prince Triton.Tnarrud3 (talk) 15:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Influence on The Man from Atlantis
Deleted reference to Namor serving as a loose inspiration for Man from Atlantis sourced to Javna, John (1987). The Best of Science Fiction TV. New York, New York: Harmony Books. pp. 88–89. ISBN 978-0517566503. There is no reference to Namor or any comic book aquatic superhero serving as any kind of inspiration for the character of The Man from Atlantis (Mark Harris). . Instead, the comparison is made to a "water-logged Six Million Dollar Man."