Talk:Nana (manga)

Episodes Page
I have started and I'm currently in progress of creating a full Nana episodes and description page. oh and it would be nice if others could help too :p Adreamtonight 00:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Kanji Name
Can anyone please help with the Kanji for the characters name? Thank you! quastar 19:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Anime, Manga and Live Action
I would like to suggest that we split this article into the appropiate medium. quastar 20:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The article isn't at the 50 kb suggested limit for article size, and the sections for each medium aren't really long enough to make their own articles. They'd just be stubs on their own, so I don't think the article needs to be split up between anime, manga, and movies. However, making a Characters Of page for the series, and perhaps making a Plotline Of page as well, and replacing those sections with short summaries instead of the long, comprehensive explanations that are there currently could help if you're just concerned about page size. Nique1287 20:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggested that since other anime/manga related pages split their content according to the medium. I do agree that the characters might need a new page.
 * quastar 00:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, most anime pages that I've seen don't split it up by medium unless there are MAJOR differences between them, such that they seem like completely different series, and even then there's often just an explanation of the differences as opposed to completely separate pages, such as with Death Note having sections to explain the differences in the movie on the Plot and Characters pages. Nana is essentially the same across the board, with just minor changes in the movie for pacing or character development without changing the story itself (such as Yasu being the one to suggest that the two Nanas live together, in the movie, as opposed to the real estate agent in the manga and anime), so separating them into stubs would just be sort of pointless. Nique1287 00:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It needs splitting, also we are not computers, no need to base the decision on the file size in KB. Jackaranga 03:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We are not computers, but Wiki has page size guidelines in place so that everyone, even on slow slow dial-up, can access the pages within a reasonable amount of time, i.e. within a few seconds. We don't need to split the movies, manga, and anime apart in this case: there's just not enough difference between them. It's bad enough someone created a page for the second movie when it's completely unnecessary, but that's another story for another discussion. Nique talk 15:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

"Genre"
Are we sure that Nana is a shoujo manga? I know the reason why you generally put a manga as shoujo is the magazine that first edited the manga. However, since its contents are somewhat more mature couldn't Nana be considered as an exception? --Quinceps 04:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Shoujo isn't just for little girls. Nana still qualifies, since it's directed at females (the bare definition of shoujo). They may not necessarily be in the young-teen demographic, but it is directed toward females. Nique talk 04:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, shoujo is specially dedicated to young girls; josei would be a much better genre for NANA, since it is aimed to a more mature female audience.

Well, Shueisha itself lists Cookie as shoujo on its website, although it would fall into the category of more mature shoujo. Josei is generally smut for the office ladies. Stillusio 14:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Series that run in shoujo magazines are shoujo series by definition. Yes, the terms 'josei' and 'shoujo' get misused constantly by English-speaking fans. This does not change the fact that Nana is a shoujo manga originally published in a magazine that is nominally aimed at teenage girls. If we want to point out that it's a mature title, fine, but it's pointless to use the Japanese demographics terms (shounen, seinen, shoujo, josei, and perhaps kodomo) and then ignore their definitions. They are based 100% on what magazine something ran in. That's it! Franzeska (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Several anime websites lists Nana as Josei and a few lists it as both josei and shoujo(aside from those that lists it only as shoujo). After a bit of searching im not sure which is most common. After having seen the anime however, based on generalisations of shoujo and josei, i would 100% definitely place it as josei. And wikipedia´s own page about josei lists Nana as one of its examples, making it rather weird to state it as only shoujo on its own page. And based on comparing with other shoujo and josei anime i have seen, it certainly fits well with josei but gets rather hard to justify as shoujo. Not changing anything at the moment but i think "Josei" deserves at least to be added, even if it probably shouldnt replace "Shoujo", as it was still released in a shoujo magazine. DW75 (talk) 19:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm. As far as I know, anime doesn't get classified as shōjo/josei/shōnen etc, (for example, the Featured Article Tokyo Mew Mew makes no mention of the demographic for the anime) but I could be very wrong. However, the manga—which the anime is based on—is considered "shōjo" for the reasons explained above. Which anime websites are you talking about? Are they considered reliable sources? (Something Wikipedia is not.) Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Animeplanet lists it only as josei, http://anime.mikomi.org/series/1388.html lists it as josei, anidb.net lists it as josei...  Hmm i should have saved the links i found last time, then i found more sites that listed it as both shoujo and josei, now im not finding any of those.
 * If you look around on wiki, alot of the manga/anime entries has "demographic" noted, personally i prefer to have it listed.  And you´re wrong, the Tokyo Mew Mew certainly states it as Shoujo.
 * Wether the sites i found now or previously are reliable, well they are at least anime/mangafocused sites and i would say that both anidb and animeplanet at least should be as reliable as can be expected, as both strive to keep all their information as updated and correct as possible.
 * Also again its a bit odd that the wikiarticle on Josei specifically uses Nana as an example of Josei while the article on Nana says its shoujo(and it lists a source for doing so).  But its just as easy to find reputable websites listing it as shoujo, and at least the previous search i did gave several listing it as both.
 * The series certainly doesnt feel like shoujo either and its not like all magazines will stick 100% to their regular demographic for every series.  Anyway, i think it would be better to list it as both.   DW75 (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think I understand the point you are trying to make. While I don't think it should be mentioned in the infobox (since it's still technically shōjo), a sentence or two about how it is occasionally (mis)labeled as josei because of the more mature subject matter would be useful. Supported by reliable sources of course. Something like this could be used. And by the way, there a quite a few series out there that don't seem to fit their demographic. For example, Yotsuba&! (a manga about a cute little girl) was targeted to teenage boys. :) Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

From the Wikipedia page on Josei: "The stories tend to be about everyday experiences of women living in Japan. Though there are some that cover high school, most cover the lives of adult women. ... Josei comics can portray realistic romance, as opposed to the mostly idealized romance of shōjo manga. ... Josei tends to be both more explicit and contain more mature storytelling." There's no way I would have appreciated this series as much when I was in high school. I grew up watching Shojo, Nana is much deeper than Shojo. It's Josei, and going back and forth questioning that is just silly. Merveilles (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Josei is not a genre, but a demographic (an audience that the manga is targeted to). Since Cookie is listed as a shōjo manga magazine, then any manga series that runs in the magazine will be targeted to that demographic. You can't verify a demographic based on the work's content, and attempting to do so would be a violation of WP:NOR. —Farix (t &#124; c) 00:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

"Kanji"
I don't think there's any coincidence about the double-meanings in the kanji. Mangaka love those plays on kanji's multiple meanings. Stillusio 14:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Volume 17... end?
I have Volume 17 of the manga, it looks like that's the end, because it shows Nana and Hachi in the future with everyone having gone their own ways and a short recap of what event got them there... and the word owari... could someone double check this? --Hitsuji Kinno 05:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i dont think so, I saw volume 18 stories being produced for Cookie already Adreamtonight 19:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw another volume, but it was an anime guide volume... It's been at least a few months... shouldn't 18 be on the shelves by now? Just wondering if it was confusion. 'cause I'm fairly sure Owari means end... *shrugs* (i.e. It's June now... last volume was April.) But I'm willing to be wrong. --Hitsuji Kinno 08:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * i've read up to the takumi story that appears in volume 18 so 17 definitely isn't the end. snippets of the future keep appearing in volume 18 too (although i'm not finished 18 yet, but there seems room for more story.) 070710
 * It seems that it ended at volume 20. AnaTo (talk) 14:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is already volume 21 so..:: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.20.118.188 (talk) 16:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

start date
I don't know where the November 15, 2002 date came from, but the manga began in 2000 -- so says the Ai Yazawa article and also the Amazon.co.jp listing for the first takoubon (May 2000). -leigh (&#966;&#952;&#8057;&#947;&#947;&#959;&#962;) 00:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Wrong personalities
"One Nana has a childlike innocence and tends to lose touch with reality, while the other is a strong, self-confident singer in a punk band." This analysis is superficial. Nana Osaki is far more sensitive and delicate than Komatsu, but she hides it. Komatsu is also more materialist and concrete...

Blast is a punk-rock band, not a punk band.

Bobbore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.221.130.183 (talk)

Name capitalization
I often see the series styled NANA, shouldn't the article title reflect that? crashmatrix (talk | contribs) 14:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The capitalization of titles, names, et cetera has been conformed to comply with the Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). What this means is that although the Japanese capitalize letters, we are working on an English language Wikipedia and therefore must follow the standard English grammar rules. For example: NANA (Japan form) becomes Nana (English form). mheart 15:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mheart (talk • contribs)

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 * Ok now - but why do we have a Nana 2 section?
 * Added the fair use stuff. On the other hand, why do we need a section for that movie in this article when it has its own? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninja neko (talk • contribs) 18:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think Nana 2 really needs its own article. The movies don't stray from the plot much at all, so there's no real need to split them out from the main article. I find it difficult to believe that it's existed for a year, to be quite honest, though page history doesn't lie. It also needs major cleanup if it's going to be an acceptable article. Looking through the history, it looks like people/bots have tried to add cleanup tags but they've all been removed. Nique talk 13:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Two Points
My personal opinion is that the trivia for this series is good information for those particularly who do not know the story of Hachiko. Mheart 18:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Movie Sequel (NANA 2) - section needs attention. It has been 2007 for nine months now, yet in the article section, we have "However, on August 4, 2006, Toho stated that shooting will begin mid-September and that the movie is supposed to be released on December 9, 2006." Anyone who has the release information, feel free to edit the article!
 * Trivia - do we want to keep this? If so, should we remove the box suggesting to remove it?
 * First should be updated. The second has to be integrated into the article if you want to keep it unless you don't want this article to reach feature status ever... which would be self-defeating in my line of thinking. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Review
DVD box set 3 & 4 ANN --KrebMarkt 05:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Putting reviews here.
 * Manga Worth Reading vol. 21
 * THEM anime (anime)
 * IGN (film)
 * About.com (film)
 * PopCultureShock
 * -Kaguya-chan (talk) 14:29, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Moving this list out of the article.
 * Review of vol 1 at Anime News Network
 * Review of vol 15 at Anime News Network
 * Review of vols 16–18 at Anime News Network
 * Review of DVD box set 1 at Anime News Network
 * Review of DVD box set 2 at Anime News Network
 * -Xfansd (talk) 00:34, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Songs Inspired By
This section needs some work, but I think it is pretty significant. The songs are from an album called "Love for Nana", for which a number of popular musicians recorded brand new songs inspired by the comic book. This is fairly significant, as the series was only a manga at the time, not an anime or even a movie. The album also served as the debut of Takanori Nishikawa's (a pop star and media personality) new rock band, Abingdon Boys School, which steadily gained fame throughout the years. The liner notes of the album, which I believe are in English, have several kind words from the musicians about the comic book which would make for good material to flesh out this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HotLimit1 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion for Nana Komatsu
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Nana Komatsu (actress). Please chime in your thoughts. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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