Talk:Nancy Grace/Archive 2

"...after 37 years in the position."
Grace decided to leave the prosecutors' office after the District Attorney she had been working under decided not to run for reelection after 37 years in the position.[9]

If Nancy Grace was born in 1958, and the year is 2007, that would mean that if Nancy Grace left the position TODAY, she would have had to start in 1970...when she was 12 years old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.125.214 (talk • contribs)


 * Quite right. It was her boss who had served 37 years in his position as DA, not Grace who had served in the position.  The Larry King interview that is referenced is quite clear, while you are right that the sentence in the Wikipedia article is a little ambiguous.  I tried to clarify it, but I am still not happy with how it reads.
 * I wonder if that tidbit ought to even be in there. Who cares if her ex-boss had been a DA for a long time? --Jaysweet 22:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I was the one who originally added that tidbit, and I agree that it was imprecisely worded and not that relevant. So, I removed it.-- Kubigula (talk) 22:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Noteworthy clip?
Is the following clip noteworthy? Grace is going on about Paris Hilton, rather than discussing real news, and one of her staffers/AV engineers starts playing ... less than flattering clips on air. samwaltz (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC) i agree, i love this clip and i believe that some research needs to be done to validate this clip and to hopefully prove it be real. then we need to include it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.148.146 (talk) 07:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this clip is noteworthy...it's the 4th thing that comes up when you google nancy grace.--74.138.83.10 (talk) 04:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Grace and Ted Bundy
She just mentioned that the first time she encountered castoff of this type was during a Ted Bundy murder. She would've been 18! Does anyone know what in the world she was referring to?! Reading it in a newspaper? She made it sound as if she were the leading investigator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.122.102 (talk) 03:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 23:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * Transcript of show - CNN. September 8, 2006
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caylee 3 year old .missing

I think child mother, Scam her pareant with the kidnapping.Thinking she and her friends were going to get money from gramparants well as[ books, movies,]

all went wrong after the fact. when grandmother call police. grandfather was or still have some thing to do with law cop, state, shiffer,what ever! .$250.000

this child is now a hot potatoe now.

feathergoddess2u@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.49.170 (talk) 00:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't there a different page for her show?
Nancy Grace's show, primarily focuses on the abduction/murders of young caucasian girls. Never has she done a show on any abducted/murdered child who is of color. Some people might say that she is a racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.236.112 (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Like in the case of Stephen Colbert/ Colbert Report. I am interested in recurring themes and parts of her show (like at the end where she always mentions a soldier) also just other themes and info about the SHOW not about HER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.85.79 (talk) 09:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

her age, and fiance's killing
do we have a reliable source on her age, i've seen 1958 elsewhere? 49 forever perhaps. also interesting article here about her varying stories on her fiance's killing--Mongreilf (talk) 02:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

for what it's work
On controversial legal/social issues I have a habit of maintaining a time line: year month day who did what where; after watching whole episodes of shows like Nancy Grace, I could end up with no hard factoid to add to a time line, just baseless surmise, speculation, innuendo and self-righteous rhetoric devoid of new fact on whatever case was at hand. That taught me a lot about the prosecutorial mindset and the hazards of the news media trying a case in the court of public opinion.

Other studies have shown me:
 * In the Bernard Goetz case, the prosecutor withheld exculpatory evidence that Cabey was hit once and let the defense attorneys and the news media believe for two years that Cabey had been shot twice.
 * In the Ruby Ridge case, the prosecutor alleged Oct 1992 that Randy Weaver shot at the Geraldo Rivera helicopter 18 Apr 1992 in spite of a Apr 1992 field report by US Marshal W. Warren Mays that no shots were fired and 3 FBI FD-302 interviews Sep 1992 by Richard Weiss who was on the helicopter stating Weaver was unarmed.
 * In the Duke Lacrosse team rape allegation, the prosecutor ended up disbarred for prosecutorial misconduct.

Nancy Grace's performances as a one woman lynch mob do little to restore my faith in the news media or the criminal justice system. Naaman Brown (talk) 18:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Citations Needed
Someone added a bunch of "citation needed" comments in the last paragraph of the "Prosecutorial misconduct" section. There was a citation at the end of the paragraph pointing to a pdf that covered the entire paragraph but I added a ref for each place where the person had asked for a citation. I'm not sure if this is SOP for Wikipedia or not. If this is wrong then please feel free to correct. Tgpaul58 (talk) 01:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.lawskills.com/case/ga/id/1919/ Wlh2008 (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Here are the citations needed for the discussion of the Carr case in the "Prosecutorial Misconduct" section (paragraph beginning "In 1997" and bullet points following the paragraph). The case being cited is Carr v. State, 482 SE 2d 314 - Ga: Supreme Court 1997. --Credibilityjones (talk) 06:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Incidences on tv
I'm not sure when they actually happened here are a couple of incidences that happened on her show which may be worth mentioning. Firstly, when Trenton Ducket was missing about a year or so ago someone named Bob from California called her show and much of the call was censored except the beginning where the caller says he differs with Grace's last call and then when he says "I thing you're a big bitch," and she proceeds to say that he is free to his opinion and then asks her guest a question about laying blame. I'm not sure if the caller was calling Grace a big bitch or the previous caller. You can check it out at youtube. The second incident was when someone in the control room named Elizabeth played a video in the background of Paris Hilton while Grace was talking with a guest about Paris' parole violations. Nancy tells Elizabeth to stop it and then starts going off on Elizabeth saying people like her (elizabeth) are part of the problem because they are blinded by celebrity. The video is available on youtube. I don't know if the part where the animal sex stuff comes in is legitimate or not, though.

BLPs and controversial incidents
I've removed a couple of things from this article. Firstly, the bit about the psychics... The conclusion drawn (she believes in psychics) is not supported by the narrative or reference given, and anyway isn't really relevant to what ought to be an informative and cohesive narrative biography. For similar reasons, I've removed the bit about her coverage of the raid on the FLDS compound. She's covered a lot of incidents, and people have objected to her position on many, many things. We don't and couldn't include them all, and since this one is not part of the more general narrative of the article it should stay removed. Avruch  T 13:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion: Delete the subordinate clause at the beginning of the sentence "Because of her forward, opinionative and no-nonsense broadcasting style, Grace has conducted a number of broadcasts and interviews which have acquired controversy" reducing it to "Grace has conducted a number of broadcasts and interviews which have acquired controversy." The introductory clause "Because of her forward, opinionative and no-nonsense broadcasting style..." is a controversial claim about the root causes of the controversies which receives no direct support from the three examples given and serves no obvious purpose other than to prejudge the issue in Grace's favor. It would be better, I think, to inform readers of the facts and let them judge for themselves whether the examples given demonstrate nothing more than Grace having a forward, no-nonsense style of presenting opinions which she clearly labels as such. The sentence "Grace has conducted a number of broadcasts and interviews which have acquired controversy" achieves those goals--it's uncontroversial and neutral between admirers and critics of Grace's style.JD

Small suggestion: Replace the word "acquired" with the word "generated" in the main clause. "Grace has conducted a number of broadcasts and interviews which have generated controversy" reads better, at least to my ear, than "Grace has conducted a number of broadcasts and interviews which have acquired controversy." To say a person's broadcasts and interviews have generated controversy doesn't prejudge wether the person has behaved inappropriately. Books, lectures, policies, etc can all generate controversy, but the mere fact they do isn't grounds for criticizing them. On the contrary, sometimes it's a compliment to say they do, especially when it comes to intentionally opinionative material. So if the word "acquired" was chosen in place of the word "generated" out of a concern for neutrality, I think that concern is misplaced, or at the very least being given undue weight given the awkwardness of its use in the context of the main clause.JD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.39.92.201 (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I came here just to contest the use of the phrase 'no nonsense'. That's ridiculous. There's plenty of nonsense. 71.236.178.126 (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Marriage and Motherhood - Other work?
Am I the only one who thinks that the sub section of Marriage and Motherhood looks tacky in the section of Other work? Wouldn't this be a better fit under the section of personal life. Who agrees.  Lighthead  þ 02:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely. I decided to be bold and reorganize a bit.  Feel free to tweak.-- Kubigula (talk) 04:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Controversial Broadcasts / Biased reporting on pit bulls?
I need to find some verifiable sources, but what about Nancy Grace saying all "pitbulls" are "born vicious" and things like that? Wouldn't that demonstrate her lack of background checking and carelessness? "Because of her forward, opinionative and no-nonsense broadcasting style, Grace has conducted a number of broadcasts and interviews which have acquired controversy." Is this really a non-subjective description of her? Thanks wiki gurus, I'm not too savvy on wikipedia but would like to try to help out Charlesmartin82 (talk) 02:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I would agree. That sentence does not qualify as being an objective description of her work and should be revised. Tgpaul58 (talk) 02:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Grace is accused of stirring hysterical feelings by her sensational news reporting style in our society about the "high" risks of being murdered, stalked or victimized by some sort of sex crime. She preached about women are victims by the male chauvinistic nature of society (feminist?), children (esp. the real yet overexaggerated threat of pedophiles are lurking among us) and she shuns online relationships, esp. it's not safe to meet off-line or real life. Other than John Walsh and Anita Hill, Grace did a good and bad job in reminding society on the high risks of sex crimes and vulnerability of women are maltreated by men all the time. I believe (not gonna be like Glenn Beck about Obama being a "racist") Grace is creating a hostile environment for adult men in general, therefore I feel she's a semi-sexist towards males. + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 08:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Removed citation needed tag.
Article says, "The Law & Order programs often base their fictional stories on real-life events and have featured stories based on Grace on several occasions," and had a citation needed tag. I added a citation which states that L&O does in fact fictionalize real cases. The second part of that sentence about Grace is cited in the very next paragraph, so the tag is no longer needed. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 17:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Provided a citation for WW Carr case. Found article in the Atlantic Journal-Constitution saying that he was free due to prosecution's slowness to move which infringed upon his right to a fair trial. D unreal1 (talk) 22:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

List of Parodies of Nancy Grace
someone needs to go through.. and source all these. As they stand, without valid reliable sources (and some of them have been tagged citation needed for around 2-3 years..)they need to be deleted for BLP reasons.. so please source any you want to stay...I removed some of the ones marked citation needed for years, and added cn tags for others, feel free to source and re-add AFTER you have a source if you feel it is necessary. However, likely the only thing in the section that really belong in the article is the first paragraph, wikipedia frowns on lists especially when the are basically lists of the way people make fun of a person.. but you can discuss what you thing should happen with that here. -Tracer9999 (talk) 11:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Someone needs to note that Nancy Grace was also parodied on the Soap Passions on NBC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.81.52 (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no mention of the hilarious character of "Gracie Jane" on "Boston Legal". Whoever played that role did a great sendup of Nancy Grace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.174.59.10 (talk) 19:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

wow ! no mention of Casey Anthony trial?
she has been spewing hate against her for over 3 years... 50.9.109.170 (talk) 05:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC) I agree. THe controversy section should mention the way Grace has whipped up a near lynch-mob fever, so that the police had to sneak Casey Anthony out a side door and she's had to go into hiding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgoldnyxnet (talk • contribs) 22:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * So...fix it.-- Kubigula (talk) 02:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Republican / Democrat / Independent ?
Okay, I'm taking the easy way out by coming here with this, and I know this isn't a discussion board, but can someone who's informed (as so many Wiki editors are) tell me what her party is? Someone asked me the other day, and I'd always assumed she was a Democrat, then they said they'd always assumed she was more conservative...and then we agreed both of us knew zilch. Where does one find out? THANK YOU, and hope everyone has a nice weekend : ) Codenamemary (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC).
 * For what? So that either liberals or conservatives start attacking her here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.208.64 (talk) 19:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Knowing it's not a discussion board yet treating it like one is pure selfishness. -- 98.108.206.28 (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

DANCING WITH THE STARS
SHE IS ON THE 13TH SEASON OF DANCING WITH THE STARS! ADD NOW!!! [please] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.45.93.230 (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Added this info. Feel free to re-edit/clean up however you see fit! AlaskaDave (talk) 03:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 6 October 2011
The following quote is untrue and presents a severely biased opinion. The facts can be found at several links, including: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20158232,00.html - Facts that the children were delivered early due to medical problems. http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2007/11/05/Nancy-Grace-gives-birth-to-twins/UPI-55751194281892/ - A child nine months into gestation and only way 2 lbs... has some problems folks. Please edit this post to present the correct information 67.65.45.88 (talk) 00:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

67.65.45.88 (talk) 00:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not done. The request must be of the form "please change X to Y". - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:41, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Swift Justice With Nancy Grace
I think it's weird that her court show (see subject) was only mentioned in the opening paragraph. Shouldn't it be listed under her broadcasting career, or at least under "other works?" I looked up and down the article looking for this link, and then found it in the opening paragraph. Thanks for reading my suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.115.49.193 (talk) 19:02, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Who is Toni Annette Medrano?
Who is Toni Annette Medrano? I sure don't know from reading this. Signless (talk) 06:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Career as broadcaster
This section is too assumptive of ("facts not in evidence"), and should be clarified -- That is, there seems to be jumps / transitions that do not explain the bridge between the two (leaving out subheading). EG: The transition into mentioning HLN under 'Career as broadcaster' that does not explain either HLN or the transition of document direction. bad boy jamie   talk 18:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

New show: Nancy Grace Mysteries
Nancy Grace "MYSTERIES" should be researched / documented.

(Nancy Grace Mysteries, also Twitter tagged '#NGM') — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badboyjamie (talk • contribs) 18:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Is this plagiarism?
I don't know Wikipedia's policy on plagiarism, but the following two sentences are a direct (and unattributed) copy-paste from the cited Star Tribune article.
 * ..."I can tell you the case was settled in principle two weeks ago," said personal injury attorney Michael Padden of Lake Elmo. A lawsuit was never formally served but "we resolved the case just by negotiation," he said. 71.215.84.21 (talk) 23:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

References going nowhere
57 http://web.archive.org/web/20070930184747/http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070409/LIFE/704090308/1005/LIFE => invalid key 58 http://www.myqaeda.com/?p=1271 => what?


 * Yes check.svg Fixed. I've removed the archive for #57, and #58 (archived here) was unreliable anyway.  Anon 126   (talk - contribs) 19:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2014
Can the following please be added under controversies

Ultimate Warrior Death/Professional Wrestling'

In March 2014 Nancy Grace again created controversy when she presented a report on the death of Professional Wrestler Jim "Ultimate Warrior" Hellwig.

She started her story by announcing "“accusations of steroids and illegal drugs swirling," despite no such stories circulating. (source: http://www.ibtimes.com/ultimate-warrior-death-steroids-drug-abuse-insinuated-nancy-grace-wrestlers-fire-back-1570179).

She added to this by showing a list of wrestlers who she said had died owing to steroid or drug abuse, names included Owen Hart (died due to an accident at a Pay Per View event), Mark Curtis (died from stomach cancer), and Joey Morella (a referee who died in a car accident).(source: http://www.pwinsiderelite.com/article.php?id=84886&p=1).

The mention of Owen Hart's name led to a group of twitter users creating the hash tag #CancelNancyGrace (source: http://au.eonline.com/news/530821/cancelnancygrace-trends-after-hln-host-implies-deaths-of-wrestlers-ultimate-warrior-owen-hart-involved-steroids)

Ozscouser (talk) 07:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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Misconduct
Grace's history in the courtroom is a huge point of criticism against her, yet the article as it now stands has no mention of serious legal misconduct. Why was all that information removed (with this revision ) SirChuckB (talk) 15:16, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Maintaining balance on Nancy Grace is tough given that she is a polarizing figure. It would certainly be appropriate to include information about the findings of misconduct, but I have to agree with User:DHeyward's removal of the prior content.  The previous section was out of proportion to section about Grace's prosecutorial career, so it gave the misconduct undue weight in the overall article.  One or two sentences about the findings of misconduct would be more appropriate in that section, at least until that section is expanded.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Depictions of Grace in popular media
North Carolina Deathcore band COLUMNS have a song titled "Punching Nancy Grace" on their August 2014 album "Please Explode" on Relapse records. Source: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Columns/Please_Explode/432132 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.237.245 (talk) 21:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Gone Girl (film)
(Suggested subtopic) In the movie adaptation of the novel "Gone Girl", directed by David Fincher, a character modeled after Nancy Grace is played by Missi Pyle. In the film, Pyle's character regularly appears as host of a TV legal commentary show to cast aspersions on the husband whose wife has disappeared under strange circumstances.

69.144.18.254 (talk) 23:42, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

❌ - You have not provided any reliable sources to show that Missi Pyle's character, Ellen Abbott, is based on Nancy Grace. - Arjayay (talk) 18:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Here's a source: Missi Pyle says so herself in this interview at the 0:42 mark.

Additional source: Nancy Grace's response to questions from USA Today about seeing herself satirized in the film:

69.144.18.254 (talk) 00:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2016
128.59.244.65 (talk) 13:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

on the CONTROVERSIES paragraph, you wrote "Norton and Hugges" it should read "Norton and Roberts", those were who interviewed her and who she called Beavis and Butthead on 'The View' Thanks.


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Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2018
The section "Disappearance of Jennifer Wilkerson" under the Controversy heading appears to include non-notable individuals and simply links to a transcript of the interview. There's no explanation or description of what the controversy is, and a google search turns up nothing about that interview's controversy or the Captain Kevin W. Overstreet she interviewed. The section should be deleted.

Edit: It looks like this the second time that content was added by a user "kevinwoverstreet", obvious COI: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nancy_Grace&diff=next&oldid=769183796

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Faith Yancey: Portrayal in Media
It does not take a genius to see this character was a satirical clone of Nancy Grace. The theme of this character was a blowhard talking head that routinely made the life of the justice system (from cops to judges) harder with the way she would sensationalize crimes for ratings. It should also probably be mentioned that in Faith Yancey’s last appearance, she ended up a convicted felon. It seems as though the current entry about Grace’s clear connection to Yancey was written by a PR firm hired by Grace. In fact, the entire article on her seems quite self serving. This is a women who is quite despised possibly more often then she is loved and the entire entry does not reflect this fact. I’ve read from more than one source that even Grace’s “origin” story of why she entered the world of criminal justice is nothing more than a highly disingenuous exaggeration. I am not familiar with how to properly edit wiki articles, nor how to cite sources and documentation. Just a bit of minor editing on the Faith Yancey issue will be a small way of better reflecting truth and fact.

Perhaps there may be enough documentation to add a Major Criticism section... like say if anybody got the actual transcripts and police reports from the whole “fiancé” story she tells at the drop of a hat. Thanks in advance to anybody willing to edit and research documentation to make this article better reflect reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.68.109 (talk) 10:52, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Faux pas
The entry says: "Grace immediately and repeatedly proclaimed on Court TV and CNN's Larry King Live that Ricci was guilty, although there was little evidence to support this claim." There couldn't be "little evidence" that he was guilty since he was not guilty. There was no evidence, by definition. Nicmart (talk) 00:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Boston Legal
I have been streaming this show and am surprised that there is no mention here of the obvious and repeatedly prominent caricature of Nancy Grace as "Gracie Jane" on the show.64.175.74.227 (talk) 03:50, 10 March 2021 (UTC)