Talk:Nancy Kulp

Bisexuality
Why is it that any reference to bisexuality is ruthlessly purged on Wikipedia? Reasonably well documented sources attest to Kulp's late-life lesbianism, why is this expunged time and time again? — Dutchman Schultz

I edited the final paragraph, which had read:


 * In what Hollywood biographer Boze Hadleigh claims is an interview he conducted with Kulp in 1987 but was only published after her death, she purportedly admitted to "swinging both ways" (meaning she was bisexual). She died of cancer in California on February 3, 1991, at the age of (ironically) 69, and was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, Mifflintown, Pennsylvania.

The use of slang in this paragraph is inappropriate, and the gratuitous aside about the fact she was 69 years old when she died is just childish. What's more, there is nothing ironic about it.


 * I agree, I deleted the use of the word ironically. Metamorphousthe 02:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What is the issue with adding (ironically) before 69? Is this a reference to oral sex or is there another reason. If it is a sexual reference then there is no irony to it and should not be stated. I deleted it again. Someone keeps adding it. If you are adding it, please make reference in this discussion what the irony is. Metamorphousthe 01:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I too do not understand the term "ironically" being placed before aged 69. However, if it is indeed related to a sexual practice, then I don't think it should neccessarily be deleted, given that Ms. Kulp's proclivites consume a fair amount of the article. (Pardon the unintended pun.) The question therefore, is why is the word "ironically" placed in that position?


 * Death at age 69 is not ironic, and frankly I consider the word's reintroduction to be vandalism at this point as it has been edited out several times by several authors. --Cjs56 15:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

How do you know that death at 69 isn't ironic? Please back up your statement.

Death can only be ironic if it happens at the ages of 43, 72, and 105, of if you could be described as "Mr. Afraid to Fly" and after waiting your whole damn life to take a flight, your plane crashes down and you think "Well isn't this nice." Actually, since you want the text to say "ironically", the onus is on you to justify its inclusion. --Cjs56 20:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Since this is a 'discussion' area and we are remarking on the use of the word 'ironically', I truly believe it is misused because the word was originally used in parenthesis and there was no external reference to state why it was ironic. Therefore it is only left to the imagination of the reader by intention that the use of the word 'ironic' and its placement in the sentence did not have to do with the death itself but with her sexual preference and ... well, I quoted the entry and believe I am justified in deleting it. Metamorphousthe 03:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Arsenio Hall Show (c. 1990)
I recall that Nancy Kulp had a circa 1990 appearance on the Arsenio Hall Show (a cameo-walkout during the monologue).

Perhaps the article could be editted to include this, so as to indicate that Kulp was still mobile enough at that time to do a TV appearance and that a young urbane audience (the usual demographic for the Arsenio Hall Show) would appreciate seeing her.

71.168.133.131 (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Kulp was a member of Pi Beta Phi, not Alpha Xi Delta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.68.69 (talk) 07:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Elected office
This article describes a failed run for office but as a kid growning up in Pennsylvania while Beverly Hillbillies was still all over the TV in syndication I was certain that she had actually held some sort of elected office, at least at state level. I'll check. PurpleChez (talk) 02:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

A new heading--"Personal life"--needs to be added prior to the "Death" heading (but I don't now how to create that...can someone inform me? Then the information about her marriage and lesbianism (the final two paragraphs currently and illogically located under the section "Early life" should be moved to this new section. ALSO, "J.G. Kulp" in the military section...odd, as "J.G." are apparently not her initials.Unclemikejb (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The "J. G." is simply a reference to her military rank: lieutenant (junior grade). 65.79.173.130 (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The article references analysis from The New York Times stating Miss Kulp ran with a favorable condition for Democrats. This reference is useless, and the New York Times should not be a reference for what happened in Central Pennsylvania. Bud Shuster would have won by 30 points with or without Buddy Ebsen doing a spot for him. Rural Central Pennsylvania is very conservative, Republicans had enjoyed a very large registration advantage for decades--and still do, and Miss Kulp had positions very far to the left of the population. I would recommend researching the Altoona Mirror for more informed analysis of this election.Weyandt (talk) 19:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Military
She could not have received the National Defense Medal... The award was not available at the time of her service. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.231.174.10 (talk) 01:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC) She also couldn't have received a Good Conduct Medal unless she was enlisted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.40.185.167 (talk) 17:33, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Sharon Tate / Kathy Kersh
The dark-haired woman in the photograph is Sharon Tate wearing a wig. She played Janet Trego, the secretary, in several Beverly Hillbillies episodes. Kathy Kersh played a character named Marion Billington (per IMDb entry for the episode "The Giant Jack-Rabbit". In this clip from the show from 1 minute 25 seconds to about 1 minute 40 seconds, a young blonde woman appears and is addressed as "Miss Billington". Rossrs (talk) 13:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Alma Mater
The alma mater information should appear in her title block, it would be a nice touch, as most people have no idea how educated she was.--Oracleofottawa (talk) 01:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Good Conduct Medal
The Good Conduct Medal is only awarded to enlisted personnel. Since, according to the article, she was a Lieutenant (junior grade), she would not have received this award. Also, the article could be expanded to include more about her WWII service (if it is available). Kb butler (talk) 01:52, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw the forum discussion about this. This Wikipedia article lists both the Good Conduct Medal and the National Defense Medal, so the mention of the Good Conduct Medal is unlikely to be a plain typo as suggested on the forum. An IP has noted above that National Defense medal was also not available at the time of her service. Does anyone know if there are any checkable online military databases? I can find no record of a biography of Kulp and no service record is given in her obits, it might be hard to check. Could she have become enlisted service personnel at some point? Thanks Span (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

She also appeared in another episode of Perry Mason (aired 5/15/59) called "The Case of the Deadly Toy". I don't have a reference, other than I just watched it on Apple TV. 2602:306:3B60:80A0:D0E6:FB9E:8EA8:7D0 (talk) 22:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)Erich Blase

World War II service
Although Kulp served in the United States Navy during World War II era, no reliable sources found as of yet state that she served overseas during the war. Accordingly, Category:American military personnel of World War II was removed from the article. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Pasting in comment made on User:Yopienso's talk page
I am reverting your edit on Nancy Kulp that used Find A Grave as a source. I don't know the basis for your description of Find A Grave as "credible", but WP:USERGENERATED specifies Find A Grave as one of several "unacceptable user-generated sites". Eddie Blick (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'm copying your comment here on my talk page to the article talk page and responding there. YoPienso (talk) 02:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Actual response

 * As I wrote in the ref I added and you reverted,

Nancy Kulp," Find a Grave. Retrieved 30 Mar 2022. (Yes, this is a low-quality reference, but it's credible and is better than none.)


 * I appreciate that you added the "Unreferenced section" template, and perhaps that's the best choice. It's not my preference, though, since this particle Find-a-Grave page is credible, if not technically "reliable" by strict WP standards. It shows two different photos of Kulp's gravestone uploaded by different individuals in 2003 and 2010, plus partial close-ups added by a third individual in 2010.
 * There are at least two other photos of her gravestone on the internet, from even less reliable sites--Twitter and a personal blog. But they all come together to show the fact that Kulp's headstone claims she served as a Lt. J.G. in the WAVES from 1944-46. No reasonable person will claim they're fake photos. No, they're of her actual gravestone. (This doesn't mean the gravestone itself is true or accurate.)
 * By my lights, refusing to include the Find-a-Grave ref would be legalism. I think we should show what the claim is based on and hope someone can find a good, solid, reliable source.
 * Let's edit according to the Fifth Pillar WP:5P5:
 * Wikipedia has no firm rules
 * Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions. Be bold, but not reckless, in updating articles. And do not agonize over making mistakes: (almost) every past version of a page is saved, so mistakes can be easily corrected.


 * Whatever the community thinks. YoPienso (talk) 02:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:51, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! YoPienso (talk) 03:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , A new day brings a new perspective. I now see that legalism does not apply where no firm rules exist. I have wasted much time in removing citations to websites that are classified as "generally unacceptable". I apologize to you and to other editors whose contributions I have negated. I hope that you will restore the citation as you had it before I interfered. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What a refreshing attitude! Greatly appreciated. I'll restore my ref and add to it a "better source needed" note. Then I'll remove the "Unreferenced section" template.
 * You might like the Ben Franklin quote on my user page. Very best wishes, YoPienso (talk) 03:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Filmography
Culp was on Betty White's "Lide with Elizabeth". Don't see it in her filmography. 2603:6081:8304:3100:C590:DC0F:997D:950F (talk) 08:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

CORRECTION: "Life with Elizabeth" KristiGranville (talk) 08:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)