Talk:Nannerl Notenbuch

Copied from old article ... Nannerl's Music Book
Might it be better to describe all of these Mozart works in this article rather than giving them each an article of their own? They're all quite short (as far as I know) and uninteresting (well, them being the first things WAM wrote gives them some interest, I guess, but musically they're nothing), and having an article on each would mean quite a lot of duplication.
 * I don't think there is anything per se wrong with small articles, and it makes it easier to refer to the pieces in other articles. &mdash; Stumps 13:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, isn't it more usually known as "Nannerl's Notebook" than "Nannerl's Music Book"? Could be wrong about that, though, Mozart isn't my strong point. --Camembert
 * I've moved it to Nannerl Notenbuch which is the name used in many sources, such as the Cambridge Mozart Encyclopedia and Grove's. &mdash; Stumps 13:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Merged in Child articles
I merged six child articles (K1a-K1f) in and copied the text in as subsections. Feel free to clean it up more if the merge reads awkwardly here. There's still six pieces that could use a short blurb (K2-K5b). I know K2 is fairly well-known because it shows up in several learning books (e.g. Bastien, Suzuki). DavidRF (talk) 02:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Bach's influence on Nannerl Notenbuch?
I am not sure the previous sentence is true, though I suppose it is possible. The work of Johann Sebastian Bach was not well known, nor well respected, by the general musical community until the early 19th century, after Mozart's death (wikipedia, prior knowledge), though Mozart himself refers to the work of "Sebastian Bach" with respect and what I perceived as a revelatory tone in a letter to his father. (I think the letter was from the late 1770's or early 1780's. I know I'm not citing my sources; that's why I'm not editing the article.) His references to "Bach" prior to this letter are generally thought to refer to Johann Christian Bach, who was popular at the time. Furthermore, the only Bach whose work is present in the Nannerl Notebook, according to wikipedia's page about it, is Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach; of course, this does not mean J.S. wasn't on their radar. Leopold was deputy kapellmeister in 1763, and had been in the service of the Prince-Archbishop of Salzburg for some time; perhaps there was an extensive musical library to which he might have had access. I do not know. I simply wanted to draw attention to this claim, as it is uncited and seemed unlikely to me.

Summary/thesis/conclusion: The statement "It is clearly influenced by the work of Johann Sebastian Bach," seems bold and unfounded, is uncited, is a statement of interpretation, and seems to imply that Sebastian Bach had a particular impact on the young Mozart, whereas I imagine J.S. Bach, our favorite Bach, obscure then, was merely one (if one at all) of many baroque composers whose works, blended into an idea or sense of the style, inspired this little minuet, written by a five-year old boy. bakapupil (Comment added by DavidRF for User:Bakapupil).DavidRF (talk) 16:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

K1f proteins
K1f is also a protein family involved in stem cell self renewal! Is there somebody who's able to make a disambiguation page?--87.7.122.156 (talk) 23:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Which Wikpedia page describes the protein family? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Uploading the MIDI Files
I have the MIDI files to all of the Nannerl Notebook, which I created myself from sheet music from other sites. I'm not sure how to get my MIDI files onto the page so that people can access and listen to them. Can somebody give me a quick run through on how to upload these files onto each section.

Sorry I only joined Wikipedia today. Turbotoaster (talk) 12:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork and fill in the details; your username should work there as well. Make sure to give the files meaningful names ("K1a.MID" won't do); maybe something like "Nannerl Notenbuch 01.MID" etc. Let us know here how you go so we can proceed to the next step, incorporating the files into the article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I'm uploading them now. I should have them all up in a moment. Turbotoaster (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Can somebody help with the file name that appears on the actual page, so that it looks a bit tidier like the previous paragraph? Turbotoaster (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have changed the placement of the previously existing MIDI file and of yours to make them more prominent. I also included both files in the table further down again. The mechanism to present MIDI files is to use the template Audio; the template Listen will not work, and using the syntax  is discouraged. It must be noted that the user's browser determines to a large extent how MIDI files are actually played; see Media help (MIDI).
 * I also added the categories Compositions by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Midi files to your uploaded file at Commons. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I've just listened to the Mozart K 1e file and the first bar is incorrect. Specifically, the right hand part ascends with B C D in the first bar, but I'm hearing D E F#. I haven't verified the rest of the MIDI file but just listening to it, it caught my attention. It likely doesn't warrant a fix. HyperbolicNebula (talk) 16:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC) HyperbolicNebula, January 24, 2020
 * You're right. I have now changed those three notes and uploaded it, but the resulting file, when played from Commons/Wikipedia, sounds closer to Scarlatti's cat than young Wolferl. I'll wait a bit and see whether transcoding it at Commons will fix it. Otherwise, I will try and upload a new version again. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Story at C:File talk:Nannerl Notenbuch - Minuet in G.mid. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:06, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Sister or Daughter?
I've found no references elsewhere of a daughter to Mozart called "Nannerl". Wasn't Nannerl his sister? see --Sgriosair (talk) 16:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The article identifies Nannerl as Leopold Mozart's daughter, not Wolfgang's. Eroica (talk) 15:21, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I am curious as to why this article on the Nannerl Notenbuch contains no mention of where the original resides today. Can this be added to the text? Bill R.94.228.155.8 (talk) 00:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)