Talk:Nant Gwynant

introduction needed
"The Pass of Nant Gwynant, the A498 road, descends 600 feet in about two miles from Pen-y-Gwryd to Llyn Gwynant from which the entire pass gets its name and then continues more gently to Llyn Dinas and passing below Dinas Emrys to Beddgelert.".

Nice and all, but ... What ? Where ? What is this article about ? Equendil Talk 20:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

More confusion
Welsh speaking assistance needed, the NANT Gwymant, roughly means small river, brook etc. Welsh uses the following words to describe a valley (bant, chwm, cwm, ddyffryn, glyn, gwm, mhant, nghwm, nglyn, nyffryn, pant, phant) So how does that translate into the name of the valley. Although I have to admit as a youngster who lived in the area, its was used in the following way, "going down the Nant Gwynant" or Gwynant Valley. The Ordnance survery map of 1955 or current ones mention no name for the valley, it does have a short section of a river called Nant Gwynant which makes sense, but in terms of a small river.

I'm guessing the words Nant Gwynant have become synonymous when describing the Gwynant valley or Dyffryn Gwynant. Any light shed on this would be interesting. (Gowron 17:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC))


 * "The Nant Gwynant is a mountain pass..." is an absurd statement. Firstly it is never referred to as "the Nant Gwynant" (at least not by Welsh people, in either language) but simply "Nant Gwynant". I strongly suggest changing it to "Nant Gwynant is a...". Secondly, it is NOT A PASS! It is a VALLEY.
 * Regarding 'nant', there are two forms in Welsh, one is feminine and does indeed mean 'small stream, etc.', the other is masculine and means 'valley' (especially in the mountains). The OS map should not be taken as an authority on Welsh place-names as it often mispells them or simply ignores them (they've improved somewhat of late, but only just). There are plenty of other examples of 'nant'='valley'; perhaps the most famous these days is Nant Gwrtheyrn, Llŷn, and there is also Nant Ffrancon near Bethesda. Hope that clears things up. I'm not logged in at the moment - flying visit in the small hours... - but you can reply at my user page (Enaidmawr) if you want. I'd change the opening sentence myself but don't like doing anon edits. Nos da! 88.111.240.125 02:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)